Lucidity after death?

[LucidDreamer09]

I was having some interesting conversations with my friends recently about life after death. One of them, Richard, reckoned that he had read about people who believe that, after death, you could have a permanent lucid dream... I found this hard to believe, as your brain would stop working when you die, but it's still interesting none the less. Does anyone know anymore about this? Calum

[mini0991]

I was having some interesting conversations with my friends recently about life after death. One of them, Richard, reckoned that he had read about people who believe that, after death, you could have a permanent lucid dream... I found this hard to believe, as your brain would stop working when you die, but it's still interesting none the less. Does anyone know anymore about this? Calum No way in hell this can happen. When you die, the parts of your brain that enable you to dream cease functioning. An unplugged, broken computer will not play any games; why should a brain that stops functioning?

[LucidDreamer09]

No way in hell this can happen. When you die, the parts of your brain that enable you to dream cease functioning. An unplugged, broken computer will not play any games; why should a brain that stops functioning? Well that is exactly what I thought. But supposedly a lot of people have a lot of theory behind this

[mini0991]

Well that is exactly what I thought. But supposedly a lot of people have a lot of theory behind this From a perspective of reality, they're going solely on wishful thinking. It'd be nice if this is what happened, but it's not. I'd like to believe anything at all happens after death. But the evidence for any given theory doesn't hold an ounce of water.

[yuriythebest]

well, buddhists believe that if you "gain lucidity" after death by realizing you are dead and everything around you is actually part of you/generated by you then you can achieve the state of nirvana

[MichalZitek]

I do believe and hope that life after death would be like a permanent lucid dream. Furthermore, I think that dreaming isn't about brain, at least not only. Of course I can't prove it, but that's what i think ;].

[Mayatara]

well, buddhists believe that if you "gain lucidity" after death by realizing you are dead and everything around you is actually part of you/generated by you then you can achieve the state of nirvana Exactly. The brain is just an interface that connects our mind to the perceived world, but our bodies are ultimately just our mind's projection, not the ultimate reality. People believe too much in the real-ness of their bodies. Dying is just like changing dreams. You actually enter a dreamless state for a while and if your mind is not trained to stay there and recognize it as your true nature, then you fall into a kind of hypnagogic imagery and you end up choosing a dream (a life) and enter it again and again. Mind is not generated by brain, brain is generated by mind. Only if you perceive things from this perspective, life and death, dreams, lucid dreams and shared dreams, will start making sense. There's no other theory around that can explain all of this.

[Lucidity444]

At the moment of death, all of the etheric matter in your body (your astral body) is released. This is different from a normal obe because you only project small amounts of etheric matter. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up astral projection and conscious dying.

[Maria92]

Well that is exactly what I thought. But supposedly a lot of people have a lot of theory behind this A lot of people also believe that if you die in your dreams, you die in reality. Not true...do not follow the sheep, as they are lost. From a perspective of reality, they're going solely on wishful thinking. It'd be nice if this is what happened, but it's not. I'd like to believe anything at all happens after death. But the evidence for any given theory doesn't hold an ounce of water. ^ This. It could be possible though, because, the law of conservation of energy (energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed form), and it could be possible that some of the electrical energy from your brain would change form, or just simply stay somewhere (either way, this means the energy would not be destroyed). And, It isn't so crazy that the electrical energy just stays in the air/space without having to change form. ^ And this. (I, too, have long pondered this possibility. Perhaps at your dying moment, the energy within you takes shape and consciousness, and retains this state either by feeding on other energy, or by not expending any energy at all. While it is true that energy is neither created nor destroyed, it can be transferred and dissipated, so this state of energy must either replenish itself or not expend any energy at all. Either way, it would be totally awesome. Kinda wishful thinking, though.) I think it would be more like permanent astral projection if anything. See energy theory. This is also a nice way to spend the afterlife... Well, since im christian, im forced and i do go along and have no doubts that you go to heaven after you die as long as you believe in god. so basicly, my thereoy of heaven is exactly like a lucid dream, you can do whatever you want! except for anything bad. Sound a bit reluctant there...at any rate, why cut out the bad stuff? The bad stuff is the most fun! Besides, good and evil are relative...I know I'd like to telekinetically duel a few people to the death...besides, it's the afterlife; you can't exactly die again. Just putting in my two cents here...

[Hermes|]

Have you watched vanilla sky? Cause this is the plot line.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Man... I just posted a whole bunch of shit... and it aint on here... But listen folks, to my story.... There are 3 states of consciousness in this world: 1. Waking life 2. Dreaming... and 3. Deep sleep.... This is the Buddhist point of view, just listen. If you are Christian or atheist, no need to close your ears or your mind, just listen, (after all, mayber Jesus studied with the Buddhists of Tibet. maybe that is why his message is so similar to the Buddhist message, and so different than the Jewish message.) There are THREE states of consciousness during LIFE: 1. waking life 2. dreaming 3. deep sleep There are three states of consciousness (according to the Buddhists): 1. Life 2. Death #. Rebirth So.... According to the TIBETAN Buddhists, if you want to lucidly control your rebirth, you have to master lucidity in dreams. If you want to become enlightened, you have to remain LUCID in the deep dreamless state. this is something that most western people have never even heard of before. Think about it for a while. I am drunk so am struggling with lucidity in the waking life right now....

[Tarsier]

What about the pineal and DMT.

[Kuhnada29]

There are THREE states of consciousness during LIFE: 1. waking life 2. dreaming 3. deep sleep Dannon, I've always linked this too: 1.) conscious 2.) subconscious 3.) unconscious/ collective unconscious/ collective subconscious Being aware of all three could be considered "Nirvana", or universal consciousness, but is extremely hard to do seeing as how deep and long you must meditate. Which raises a question, why DO we continue to sleep so deeply that we are unaware during a dreaming state? It seems to work the reverse way with melatonin, the less melatonin, the less deep the sleep, the more aware you are. Hence why it's easier to recall dreams with melatonin. I'm thinking this has something to do with mental AND physical stress and fatigue over the years? What's also interesting is that scientific evidence confirms that memory doesn't reside in one area of the brain. The mind might actually exist within a morphogenic field. From Sheldrake: memory does not reside in any geographic region of the cerebrum, but instead in a kind of field surrounding and permeating the brain. Meanwhile, the brain itself acts as a “decoder” for the flux of information produced by the interaction of each person with their environment. It doesn't surprise me this isn't mainstream.

[Lucidity444]

forgot to mention about reincarnation. This is a touchy and contreveral subject, so I'm sorry if you disagree. I believe, as well as many others do, that life is about perfecting your soul. You reincarnate so you can lear "life lessons" if you will, and once your spiritually enlightened enough, you can choose to renincarnate, become a spirit guide or ascend, whatever that means, no one is entirely sure. I'm not a bhuddist or hindu or any religion, I do not condemn or promote any religions, it's all personal beliefs, these are just mine and another perspective on this.

[PhantomBPR]

forgot to mention about reincarnation. This is a touchy and contreveral subject, so I'm sorry if you disagree. I believe, as well as many others do, that life is about perfecting your soul. You reincarnate so you can lear "life lessons" if you will, and once your spiritually enlightened enough, you can choose to renincarnate, become a spirit guide or ascend, whatever that means, no one is entirely sure. I'm not a bhuddist or hindu or any religion, I do not condemn or promote any religions, it's all personal beliefs, these are just mine and another perspective on this. Strange enough, that actually sounds like a much better view of the universe. It's not my personal view, but if some higher power came down and gave me proof that it worked that way, I would be very happy. Well that was off topic. I try not to talk about the afterlife anymore because it makes my athiest friends hate me and it makes my hardcore christian friends hate me for not thinking the "correct thing".

[LucidDreamer09]

Wow, thanks for all the replies guys. A really interesting topic. My opinion is - so what if this is wishful thinking? There is an amount of scientific theory behind it, and there is a lot we do not know about science yet. You never know...

[Ethereal]

Everything we are, everything we will be, and in a philosophical sense, everything that is out there, is in the organic matter of our brains. When we die, that organic matter decomposes. It is a sad fact. Now, if you believe in religion and souls, then fair enough, but that still wouldn't mean you have a lucid dream, it would mean your essence would pass on to another world.

[slash112]

Everything we are, everything we will be, and in a philosophical sense, everything that is out there, is in the organic matter of our brains. When we die, that organic matter decomposes. It is a sad fact. We were actually talking about the electrical energy in the brain (the signals which make us think). That in fact makes it very possible.

[Bizarre Jester]

Yea I posted the same topic, not that long ago. Not saying I believe it but it is an interesting theory,

[Abra]

I was having some interesting conversations with my friends recently about life after death. One of them, Richard, reckoned that he had read about people who believe that, after death, you could have a permanent lucid dream... I found this hard to believe, as your brain would stop working when you die, but it's still interesting none the less. Does anyone know anymore about this? Calum Makes for an alright bedtime story.

[Philosopher8659]

The key question is "What is belief?" Is it any arrangement of words that one pleases, or is there a convention, independent of man, which establishes an order? Can a name be conventionalized without any referent? The answer is obvious, however, why is it never used as a reference point for those daydreaming gibberish? DOA. Our mind projects our body, but then it must also project all perceptual data, nice way of saying "I am God!" Wow, welcome to the microwave injury ward. Life is an exercise in mental masturbation, wonderful. Amazing how someone can talk about that which is unknowable but cannot say anything worth shit about what is under their own nose. A claim that reality is our own projection, means that one is the stupidest thing in creation, as one never knows anything other than these self inflicted projections. So, I will grant that in this case as it is impossible, from the very premises to perceive anything at all. Is there some kind of contest in the Universe, Who can create the most fanciful self-referential fallacy? Or the most effective potion to insure brain death? There are so many ways to express the worship of one's own death, the question is Why would anyone have any desire what so ever to do it?

[Lucidness]

Theres no theory that can be put to this. Its common sense isnt it? Your brain stops functioning the moment you die. Thats it. Nothing can happen in the brain once its dead. You explain this as if lucid dreaming is another world. When its not. Its all in your brain.

[Philosopher8659]

Its all in your brain. I would say you gave a compliment.

[Lucidness]

I Dont understand what you mean by that philosopher.

[Maria92]

I Dont understand what you mean by that philosopher. Nobody really does. I'm guessing he's saying the mind is the product of the brain, much like seeing is the product of the eyes. I agree with that statement.