Do we need proof? |
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Thought plus emotion creates attitude. Attitude plus action creates experience and experience determines reality
Yes. We need proof. |
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Very little if anything is ever proven. Disease is based on the germ theory in allopathic medicine but is certainly not the only one. Electricity is the theory by which electrons are thought to move from one atom to another. I personally accept the electricity theory mainly because it is reliable. Also there is quantum theory and then there is atomic theory. so we can see that in one anothers perception they have similarities however they are theories reliable ones at that. |
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Thought plus emotion creates attitude. Attitude plus action creates experience and experience determines reality
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Of course you can always argue that the very concept of existence has not |
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Last edited by dajo; 03-07-2010 at 01:09 PM.
Dajo, you are confusing proof and evidence. In science, evidence is gathered and our ability to predict future outcomes gets better, but nothing is ever proved. Science does not reach conclusions like, “the apple falls off the tree” or “apples fall”, only “the apple fell in all observed trials.” |
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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
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My motivation in writing this thread is mainly to help everyone explore their relationship to proof. |
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Thought plus emotion creates attitude. Attitude plus action creates experience and experience determines reality
But is there ever really proof of evidence? |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Actually, I think people try too hard to separate the notions of evidence and proof, as if the two were completely different concepts. They are not. Proof, itself, is simply evidence that is so strong that it has not (at the time that it is labeled as "proof") had any feasible* counter. That's it. It's not a 'concrete absolution'. Why not? Because, when speaking from a subjective perspective (as the entire human race does, at all times) there is really no way of knowing what is cosmically "absolute." |
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...asked another way what what is our relationship to our proofs? Are we limited by it? Can we live w/o it and live healthy meaningful lives? |
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Thought plus emotion creates attitude. Attitude plus action creates experience and experience determines reality
Some can (and do). |
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I think we all can but maybe not all at once. I do think that we are collectively conscious and as such there will always be the unconscious, barely/subconscious, & conscious aspects of humanity. As is one so is the masses. |
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Thought plus emotion creates attitude. Attitude plus action creates experience and experience determines reality
I'm very open to the idea of collective consciousness, but it doesn't necessarily shape my world view, because I've not seen enough evidence for me to take it on faith. However, I understand where you're coming from. |
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Xei, is actually a very good point |
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You're absolutely right. Actually, this came to light, when I was talking about this with someone else, outside of DV. |
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people look for proof in the supernatural but people who harden their hearts and minds to those things will likely be kept from ever experiencing them. so they try to disprove them using their science which sadly cannot measure the supernatural. |
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This is a great segway for my next question. See holding up an pen in the air to prove it exist only works if the person watching the person agree's that in fact that it is a pen in his or her hand. For a being whose awareness is different than the pen holder. The example of is the glass half empty or full is a great one & another is that of a person that is confined due to their psychological awareness that we might call schizophrenia says that he is talking to a dead president. The Dr. says oh he's not there. The patient says I don't know what you're on but he's standing right beside you. |
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Thought plus emotion creates attitude. Attitude plus action creates experience and experience determines reality
Now, see, this is where we start to drift into disagreement. |
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Last edited by Oneironaut Zero; 03-17-2010 at 04:31 AM.
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