Thread: So, I think Christians are stupid.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

So we can both agree that was just your lame attempt to troll :p

I thought she was making quite a good point: that the arbitrary requirements to get into heaven are so massively unrealistic that it's damn near impossible to realize them. Trolling would be hoping to make you or someone else rage flame.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

So we can both agree that was just your lame attempt to troll :p

That's how we all feel about your posts, Ne-yo.

You mean, that's how all the "atheist" feel about my posts. So let it be written. Atheist hate me whoop de doo. Tell me something I don't already know. :p

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

You mean, that's how all the "atheist" feel about my posts. So let it be written. Atheist hate me whoop de doo. Tell me something I don't already know. :p

As if to prove his point. Well done.

Originally Posted by Replicon

I don't consider "being good to people" and those other good things to be "Christ's teachings" Sure, Christ taught some of those things, but those ideas predate christ. The idea that "being a good person" is an idea that came out of <insert religion name> is flawed. "Caring" existed before we evolved the ability to invent religion.

Yeah i agree with you Replicon. What I'm saying is that these so called "Christians" aren't really Christians at all, and some Atheists actually are Christian. In my oppinoin you don't need to believe in Christ or the bible to agree with his teaching. Look at Gandhi's quote "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Even Gandhi, a devout Hindu liked Christ's teachings.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Where do you get Christ's teachings if not from the Bible?

Well just because you don't believe that the Bible is actually the word of God doesn't mean you shouldn't read it, or that it doesn't have some good teachings.

Hmm, I find it mildly insulting to be called a christian. Why can't I be an atheist with morals? I like that much better. A Moral Atheist.

Indeed I find it somewhat insulting to be considered a Christian. It's also kind of a meaningless term if you slap the label on someone who completely rejects the religion, and has their own self-derived sense of morality.

A good person is a good person. There's no need to impose religious labels on them.

My point was that because someone's values somewhat align with some of christ's teaching, that does NOT make one a christian, nor should you call them that. I had a professor whose last name was Punhani, and while not christian, his morals were very much the same as those of christians. So technically, christians are not christians: They are Punhanians. See how that doesn't make sense? Same is true for asserting that everyone with those morals is technically a christian.

Yes I see your point. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that you are Christian, or that people should call you Christian, what I'm trying to say is that people have perverted what being Christian is, imo it is just being a nice person.

Originally Posted by Seroquel

If god and heaven are real then he pretty much made it impossible for anyone to get in, and made it almost impossible to not go to hell..

Yes that makes sense I think.

brb being born a sinner.
brb going to hell because I live in the middle of the amazon and have never heard of jesus.
brb I'm a fish so I'm going to hell
brb going to hell because I live on planet Ching flar and have never heard of jesus.
Brb god killing millions of people in the bible while Satan only killed one, and it was for a bet with god.

Being Born a sinner (we all are) does not mean we go to hell. This is why Jesus died on the cross for us, to take away that sin that we have.
God is merciful and understanding. If you are in the amazon and never have the chance to find out about God, im sure that he will understand and judge the person fairly.
Fish do not go to hell. As all animals do not. No animals go anywere after death because they do not have a soul, only we humans do. Thats what makes us special.
Again, on planet "Ching flar" God will judge them completely fair and just.
And God does not kill people. Other people's descision kills people. God gave us free will and he does not control what we do. Would you find it fair that if you made a mistake thatd id blame your mom because she is your parent? People who die because of old age, have ended their journey of life, not killed by God. It would be wrong to blame God for any death. And everyone who does die goes to be judged by the only one who can judge, God.

hope this clears up some of your questions of the Christian religion . Feel free to ask more

Originally Posted by needalillove

Being Born a sinner (we all are) does not mean we go to hell. This is why Jesus died on the cross for us, to take away that sin that we have.

Ok.

God sacrificed himself, which was also his son, on the cross to remove all our sins. 1st problem: Everyones fault, punish only one person? That's CRUEL
Later, jesus rose from the dead. 2nd problem: It isn't much of a sacrifice if he didn't permanately die. And if he can come back at will, how in the hell was that a sacrifice?
And then jesus went to heaven to rule alongside god, which is also his father and himself according to the bible. 3rd problem: If it was a sacrifice, how is it a sacrifice if it improved his living conditions?

Originally Posted by needalillove

Being Born a sinner (we all are) does not mean we go to hell. This is why Jesus died on the cross for us, to take away that sin that we have.

Odd, I still see people being baptized.

God is merciful and understanding. If you are in the amazon and never have the chance to find out about God, im sure that he will understand and judge the person fairly.

The broader question is: why create people who have never heard of you in the first place?

Fish do not go to hell. As all animals do not. No animals go anywere after death because they do not have a soul, only we humans do. Thats what makes us special.

Humans are animals.

And God does not kill people. Other people's descision kills people. God gave us free will and he does not control what we do. Would you find it fair that if you made a mistake thatd id blame your mom because she is your parent? People who die because of old age, have ended their journey of life, not killed by God. It would be wrong to blame God for any death. And everyone who does die goes to be judged by the only one who can judge, God.

Killing the firstborns of Egypt, Sodom & Gomorrah, Lot's wife, Er, Onan, Nabad & Abihu, etc. I can go on if you'd like.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Humans are animals.

Thats fucking blasphemy. We are made in Gods image, that is why we are in no way physiologically or genetically similar to other animals.

Also I'm fairly certain god did ya know, kill just a few people in Sodom and Gomorrah.

or genetically

Here we go.

I'm going to make this one short and simple because I know you just like others have the tendency to say something out of context and when I step on the scene you head for the hills. So this will be quick.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

Ok.

God sacrificed himself, which was also his son, on the cross to remove all our sins.

Wrong,
God and Jesus are not one in the same.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

1st problem: Everyones fault, punish only one person? That's CRUEL

Wrong again.
There is a distinct reason why it had to be Jesus.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

Later, jesus rose from the dead. 2nd problem: It isn't much of a sacrifice if he didn't permanately die.

Jesus didn't come back as a human.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

And if he can come back at will, how in the hell was that a sacrifice?

God resurrected Jesus.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

And then jesus went to heaven to rule alongside god, which is also his father and himself according to the bible.

Wrong, God and Jesus are two distinct entities.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

3rd problem: If it was a sacrifice, how is it a sacrifice if it improved his living conditions?

Improved his living conditions? Jesus existed before humans. You need a better understanding of Biblical Scripture. Which is pretty much what you're getting right now. Chances are you're not going to listen but, whatever. :p

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Humans are animals.

This is also wrong and untrue.
I can't believe you even had the audacity to come in and post that ridiculous statement, knowing I've been lurking around this thread for a couple of days.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Wrong,
God and Jesus are not one in the same.

Okay. Let's assume this for the sake of the argument

Wrong again.
There is a distinct reason why it had to be Jesus.

Which is what exactly?

God resurrected Jesus.

So jesus couldn't do it himself?

Also, if jesus was sacrificed for humanitys sins, I still don't think it's a sacrifice if you are raised from the dead when the sacrifice was dying. He didn't come back as human? Big whoop, what did he lost if he was something more than human? Nothing

Wrong, God and Jesus are two distinct entities.

Okay okay! Let's assume that for the sake of the argument


Improved his living conditions? Jesus existed before humans. You need a better understanding of Biblical Scripture. Which is pretty much what you're getting right now. Chances are you're not going to listen but, whatever. :p

What I'm getting at is, he didn't sacrifice anything but a few hours of pain. What did he LOSE on the cross? Nothing. And that, is not a sacrifice.

This is also wrong and untrue.
I can't believe you even had the audacity to come in and post that ridiculous statement, knowing I've been lurking around this thread for a couple of days.

What makes humans different from animals? The soul? I'm just curious on what you mean by this one here.

Answers in bolded

Oh, this game again! Man, I love playing this one.

Okay Ne-Yo, please explain which of the following characteristics do not apply to humans:

(1) being eukaryotic (i.e. the cell contains a membrane-bound nucleus) and usually multicellular (unlike bacteria and most protists, an animal is composed of several cells performing specific functions)
(2) being heterotrophic (unlike plants and algae that are autotrophic, an animal depends on another organism for sustenance) and generally digesting food in an internal chamber (such as a digestive tract)
(3) lacking cell wall (unlike plants, algae and some fungi that possess cell walls)
(4) being generally motile, that is being able to move voluntarily
(5) embryos passing through a blastula stage
(6) possessing specialized sensory organs for recognizing and responding to stimuli in the environment

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

This is also wrong and untrue.
I can't believe you even had the audacity to come in and post that ridiculous statement, knowing I've been lurking around this thread for a couple of days.

Humans have the ability to think and reason there isn't an animal that can ponder the stars or argue about abortion.

EDIT: lol blueline we posted at the exact same time

Originally Posted by ooflendoodle

Humans have the ability to think and reason there isn't an animal that can ponder the stars or argue about abortion.

The fact that humans are capable of more advanced thinking because of language doesn't mean that every animal is INCAPABLE of thinking at all. Animals have the capability of seeing a situation and acknowledge it, and choose something. That, to me, says that they are thinking.

Just think of a dog that you are teaching tricks to. Would it not think, teaching those tricks would be impossible. Clearly, if you use rewards, the thing acknowledges that a certain action produces a certain desirable result, and then it chooses to replicate it. If that is not thinking, I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by ooflendoodle

Humans have the ability to think and reason there isn't an animal that can ponder the stars or argue about abortion.

EDIT: lol blueline we posted at the exact same time

Except... humans?

The fallacy here is so glaringly obvious and stupid, it's hilarious.

Let's try another... Cheetas can run at 75mph. There isn't an animal that can do this. Hence, Cheetas aren't animals.

Originally Posted by needalillove

And God does not kill people. Other people's descision kills people. God gave us free will and he does not control what we do. Would you find it fair that if you made a mistake thatd id blame your mom because she is your parent? People who die because of old age, have ended their journey of life, not killed by God. It would be wrong to blame God for any death. And everyone who does die goes to be judged by the only one who can judge, God.

You don't even know your own religion. Exodus 12:29-30, Exodus 23:23, 1 Kings 20:35-36, 2 Kings 2:23-24, 1 Samuel 6:19-20, 2 Samuel 6:3-7, Hosea 9:11-16, Jeremiah 15:1-4. These are all examples in the Bible of God directly killing someone or saying that he will kill people. Face it, Yahweh is just plain evil.

Originally Posted by stormcrow

Thats fucking blasphemy. We are made in Gods image, that is why we are in no way physiologically or genetically similar to other animals.

You're a fking moron. This isn't an ad hominem, it's just true (it's also not an ad hom because I'm not using it as an argument). Humans and chimps are 99% the same genetically, even though there are differences.. Physiologically, just open your eyes. Humans and other Great Apes are both capable of bipedalism, both have binocular vision, both are mammals, both have opposable thumbs... I could go on. Have you ever seen a picture of any non-human animal?

EDIT: Poe's Law applies to Stormcrow, I dun goofed.

Originally Posted by stormcrow

that is why we are in no way physiologically... similar to other animals.

That is just the stupidest fking statement I've ever read. I'm not joking, I've read a lot of stupid stuff on the Internet, but that is without any doubt in my mind the stupidest thing I have ever read in my entire life. I might just add it to my signature. Do you even know what "physiologically" means?

Originally Posted by ooflendoodle

Humans have the ability to think and reason there isn't an animal that can ponder the stars or argue about abortion.

? Some species of birds use stars to navigate during their migration. Animals do have the ability to think and reason as well (obviously not as well as us).

Goddamn KookyInc. I think even the Christians realized I was being sarcastic as hell....

I guess that is what I get for trolling and playing devils advocate but I thought people would realize from the culmination of my posts in the R/s thread that I am in no way a christian/creationist.