Originally Posted by juroara
I did the research into all available treatments, did you just google for five seconds to simply debate me? Ulcers are not caused by one reason and mines were not caused by bacteria. Stress can increase the amount of stomach acid being produced, and if there is no food in your stomach then its your stomach that gets burned. I knew that stress was the cause, as do many people prone to ulcers, because just being stressed would "burn" me up. But why should I have doubt because of an internet post? I experienced it. Did you?
No, I did not but apparently neither did you considering there are no peer-reviewed research papers asserting that the cause of ulcers is stress. Not a single one. If your “alternative doctor” suggested this then it is no surprise that he is not a certified MD. Yes there are several causes of ulcers but even with that in mind, stress is not a cause. It simply isn’t, it’s not my opinion either. Please provide an actual medical article that suggests this (ahh but of course medical science is a conspiracy right?).
Originally Posted by juroara
Investing into the curing properties of plant life is a thousand times more beneficial than researching into synthetic compounds that didn't exist during our evolution, and therefore have no place in our body. There is no reason why holistic medicine cant be research based. People have lived to 100 or more years long before we synthesized anything.
Are you aware that many “synthetic compounds” are naturally derived?
The reason why holistic medicine is not research based is because there is no evidence that its methods produce any kind of physiological effect that cannot be attributed to the placebo effect (and conformation bias). If tomorrow we discovered that homeopathic solutions did have a measurable, quantifiable effect on the human body it would not longer be “holistic medicine” it would simply be medicine. Until alternative medicine has passed the trial of empirical verification then it simply is junk, deal with it. If you want to meditate with healing crystals or burn herbs, that is your privilege but trying to undermine one of the most significant achievements of the human race, medicine, and peddling your snake oil in its place will not be tolerated without challenge from me.
Originally Posted by juroara
You should instead be asking why life expectancy dropped in the first place.
What the fuck?
Originally Posted by juroara
Why dont YOU consult the charts? Why aren't americans, the land of every medication, living to 120 years of age?
Is this real life?
Here is a better question, why don’t you have malaria?
Originally Posted by juroara
Thats whats killing people. Not lack of access to western medicine. You forgot to ask why Africans are so sick to begin with. Holistic medicine isnt voodoo. Its philosophy is based in science. So yes, investing in preventive medicine is that much more worth it.
Oh ok. So the fact that the infant mortality rate in America is lower than say Somalia is just a coincidence right? It has nothing whatsoever to do with access to western (gasp, materialist) medicine? Yes we should invest in preventative medicine, like vaccines. Do you think the reason why you do not have meningitis, malaria, measles, polio, etc is because you have a positive attitude or because you live a “holistic” lifestyle? Please, please answer this question.
“Why are Africans so sick in the first place?” Famine and disease from unsanitary living conditions and overpopulation? Ok but how does this in any way undermine the validity of western medicine? Holistic medicine is not even a step up from voodoo. If you think holistic medicine is just meditating, exercising and having a good diet then you are confused. All of these lifestyle choices do have a measurable physiological effect on the body and no doctor in the world would tell you to not engage in these activities. If we are talking about homoeopathy, healing crystal, prayer, etc then yes that is “alternative or holistic medicine” because there is no empirical evidence supporting them.
So do you or do you not feel that holistic medicine is a viable alternative to western, research based medicine? If you are suffering from a gunshot you would go to the hospital not pray, end of story. I don’t care if you are unwilling to admit it but you know this is true.
Originally Posted by juroara
For example, my medication aimed to stop my stomach from producing acid because western scientists thought "well if the stomach stops producing acid then the ulcer wont hurt dur-hur". Brilliant! Whys my stomach making acid anyways, thats dumb! Stomach acid kills bacteria, as well as helps to digest my food - not that thats important I guess the food can just sit in my stomach festering. Taking the medication increased your risk of bacterial infection, which made absolutely no sense considering an ulcer is an open wound.
Please share the name of this medicine. It made your stomach stop producing acid or stop producing so much acid? You did not specify. Stomach acid kills some bacteria but obviously there are species of bacteria that have evolved to live in acid, like the ones that cause ulcers. What medicine “increases your risk of bacterial infection” this is a bit vaugue.
Originally Posted by juroara
What would Big Pharma rather say to a poorer nation? That crops you can grow can be transformed into medication? Or that only synthesized chemicals made in our fancy country, sold to you for a high ass price is the only thing that can save you.
By studying holistic medicines, we empower poorer nations to heal themselves.
I am sure as shit not going to entertain a discussion on “Big Pharma” or any related conspiracy theories. If you have an issue with the way medicine is distributed to third world countries then that is another issue entirely and I don’t think we would have much disagreement there. But you are making the claim that not only is holistic medicine a viable alternative but also that western medicine is ineffective. Please demonstrate to me how this is the case, and I don’t care for anecdotal experience. I’m thinking more along the lines of actual research and peer-reviewed papers (Ill save you some time, there are not any).
It is fine if you believe in the validity of holistic medicine but trying to undermine research based medicine is misguided and futile.
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