Thread: The Islamic Conquest of the Free West in One Night

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

The thing is the West did change the Middle East. The area had no sense of nation states the way the europeans did but after the defeat of the Ottoman empire this concept of nations and kings was imposed upon them, along with all sorts of other cultural changes. Not only that, but the west has generally been occupying the middle east since the 1920s, replacing their leadership structures with ones that would be more friendly with us and trade oil.

The also had Israel imposed upon them and your people had no right to steal land that already had occupants living in it. Furthermore the way Israel has treated Palestinians has been nothing less than oppressive and instigating. I not only think of Israel as a criminal state but also the United State for supporting it. I don't know which dumbass thought it was a good idea to send a bunch of jews to a land where they'd be surrounded by enemies, but it sounds like someone took the book of revelations too seriously because there was no logical reason to form the state of Israel.

And finally I don't think attacking terrorists and killing them is a useful way to stop terrorism at all. That's like stopping a fire with gasoline. We are using the same tactics to fight back blowback that caused the blowback in the first place. The only useful way to stop terrorism is to change our foreign policy.

First, you can't say that concept of nations and kings was imposed on them. For ages Halifas and other Arabic rulers ruled over great nations that you might even refer as empires ,which were much larger and stronger than any other european empire, state or kingdom at the time. Ignoring those empires as : The Islamic Empire , The Umayyad Caliphate, The Abbasid Caliphate, The Fatimid Caliphate , The Buyid dynasty and many more empires and nations characterizing the Arabic people as barbarians with no culture and accomplishments which is obviously not true. Now even in the modern age we can see that those kings and nations were not imposed on the Arabs. Take Hussein Iben Ali for example. Hussein Iben and his people helped the British empire to beat the Ottoman empire in WW1 and as a gratitude for their help the British empire gave the Hussein caliphate the eastern side of the land of Israel which is called today Jordan (After the Jordan river).

Second, we have never imposed ourselves on anybody. We were fleeing from the Holocaust and the Anti-Semitism in europe. We have came to here because it was the only place on earth where we could go and live a proper life in. Not to mention the land of Israel was the historical land of the jewish people for thousands of years before the romans murdered most of the jewish population. We never stole anything , we retrieved our lands that were taken by the romans which later on were conquered from the Byzantine Empire by many Arabic empires and nations which came from Hejaz. If you see Israel as a criminal for retrieving it's land then you should see also the Roman Empire , The Byzantine Empire , All of the Arab Caliphates (and Empires) and Also the British Empire (And many more nations that I can't write them all) as criminals as well for conquering the land of Israel and in most cases killing most of the previous population. If you will read Binyamin Zeev Herzel , The founder of the National Zionist Movement's book Alt-New Land where he describes the futuristic Jewish state , you will read of a state where Arabs and Jews live side by side in peace. Now the Arabs were greedy here and didn't let the jewish people have any of their lands back. When the British government proposed the Arabs and the jews a compromise according to the Peel Commission the Jews supported it and the Arabs declined.

Here is the compromise which was given:



The cyan (light blue like color) represents the size of the Jewish state , the Green represents the Arabs state and the yellow represents the area of the british mandate.

You can clearly see that this proposal is much better for the arabs since they get most of the territory. Even though the arabs declined and jews accepted kind of weird isn't it? ,but it was not the only proposal they declined. There were some more proposals that by the UN which gave them rights over Jerusalem which was in the center of the conflict. In addition the arabs didn't do any acts towards independence or autonomy , while the Jews built villages and cities , established parties and political movements and Built an autonomic jewish economy. When the independence war of israel started the arabs ran off because they were sure the Jews will be killed and thrown to the sea by the neighboring Arabic armies. Unfortunately that didn't happen and those people who ran off their homes remained in the countries they ran off to unable to go back to their previous homes since the Jews didn't die like they expected.

Now you asked why people chose to go back to Israel. So actually there were other proposals since the Jewish people were not sure they would be able to go back to their land. In the 6th congress of zionist movement Herzel presented a proposal from Chamberlin to establish a jewish state in Uganda , there was also a plan to settle in Al-Arish which is in the Sinai Peninsula near the land of Israel. Even though Israel was chosen because of it's historical and religious importance to Jewish people and since most Jews saw Israel as their only country and Jerusalem as their only capital. Now at first no one thought that we will have troubles with the neighboring countries. You might think today that it is a funny thought since most islamic fanatics call for Israel's destruction today ,but it wasn't always like that. Actually along most of the Islam's history Jews were respected and were able to practice their religion. The golden age of the jewish community out side the land of Israel was in spain under an islamic authority and was ended by the christian conquerers who took over spain and exiled the Jews (More criminals for you ).

Now I will show you another metaphor just like the one you used in order to explain my opinion. Imagine yourself a water tube and a vessel! This will be the water tube of terrorism which will lead the water into the the vessel of terrorism (A very creative name I must say ). Now when the water flow get to the vessel of terrorism according to the metaphor terrorism will occur . Now how can we stop the water from going into the terrorism vessel? You said it yourself! By redirecting the water! By changing our foreign policy and showing the Arabs we want to live peacefully with them and rapidly state that. Now in our metaphor your solution would be attaching another tube, the tube of peace which will lead to (very surprisingly ... ) the vessel of peace . Now in physics there is a law that called that is called the law of communicative vessels. According to that law the liquid " balances out to the same level in all of the containers regardless of the shape and volume of the containers". So now some of the people or water are heading to the vessel of peace , problem solved! well not according to the law of communicative vessels because some of the water are still flowing into the terrorism vessel. So how do we stop the water from flowing into there? It is quite simple. If we were to block the tube with some force or an object all of the water would flow into the vessel of peace instead of flowing to the vessel of terrorism. But don't forget to expand that vessel of peace and to treat the water nice or else one day the water pressure will be stronger than the force we are using to stop the water from going into the tube of terrorism and the results would be dreadful.

Anyways what I am saying is that your idea is beautiful , but it is just not practical. If it was the we wouldn't need police or punishments at all. Oh and by the way if you were worried about the lives of the 'poor' terrorist you should know that in Israel we don't have a death sentence like in some other countries . So terrorist which killed Dozens of people sit in jail and are even able to study and get themselves a degree in jail (unlike in the US for example).

What I suggest you to do and not only on this subject is to try and hear the other side as well. It is easy to say bad things about people from the side when you don't see the full picture. Decide what is right or wrong only after you see what both sides has to say , only after that take a side. So now I will wish you a good day sir and go get myself a sandwich!

Originally Posted by erik

Okay, good, I will adress that claim

I hope so cause after all the crap you've spewed as to what they've got planned.....

Dude lemme put it this way for you, they are, besides some of the fucked up shit in toe quran about "death to the infidel" n such Untitled Document, they are the same shit that generally i'd say... 60-70% of the religions are; recycled bullshit meant to control you, meant to make you feel special/powerful, and meant to make you hate on the other religions that say otherwise.

Why you think they will succeed where so many others failed to spread one religion to everyone on the earth, or to kill of every person who doesn't believe their way?

What makes them more special than say... the christans during the crusades? or roman catholic hitler and his own crusade against the jews? Why you think they are any more likely I do not know

Probably cause the hip thing to hate right now is muslims, I'd not be surpised if mainstream media/news has tons of fear shit going out on, just as they've done to get people away from politics as they always do; Fear the commies, Fear the homosexuals, Fear EVERYTHING OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Now.... lemme put it to ya this way, For them to eliminate and make the world completely muslim, they would seriously have to get all the muslims together, and then bomb the rest of the fucking world, and hopes not a single place they bomb doesn't have a series of WORSE warheads headed right fucking back.

They'd make it a Scorched Earth, before they ever made muslim the only religion or even one remotely powerful in a world full of religion. At that point its just a fucking waste and would only make it even more evident of how fucked they are if they seriously decided to take that road..... but I highly doubt we should ever have to worry.

Your fears are that of a childs, grow the fuck up and move on.

I don't see what physic laws have to do with countries interacting when it comes to war and peace. Then again I also do not feel we need the police, In the way that we have them now, And our punishments are completely messed up in the head. For example downloading three michael jackson songs will put me in jail longer then the guy they found guilty for killing michael jackson... Yeah that makes sense.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

I don't see what physic laws have to do with countries interacting when it comes to war and peace. Then again I also do not feel we need the police, In the way that we have them now, And our punishments are completely messed up in the head. For example downloading three michael jackson songs will put me in jail longer then the guy they found guilty for killing michael jackson... Yeah that makes sense.

The law of communicative vessels was part of the metaphor... it was to show that just by changing our foreign policy we will not be able to stop the fanatic terrorists. We should change our foreign policy ,but in addition we should also deal with the current terrorist. By that we prevent the generation of terrorism and fight the current terrorism (Which also show people what are the results of using terrorism so they will not use it).

Now you are right there are some messed up rules and punishments (MegaUpload R.I.P ) ,but you know every system has it's own bugs and illogical things. Even though remember that this system also restrains thieves , murderers and rapers which without punishments and the police would might go and feel their devious desires. So we do need the police and the law from some aspects ,but we seriously have to change some things around ...

Of course I never said we had to throw it out completely, although Looking back It seems somewhat Implied, but we do need to change somethings, but that is life really, change.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

Of course I never said we had to throw it out completely, although Looking back It seems somewhat Implied, but we do need to change somethings, but that is life really, change.

Adapting to the times, evolution.

What if all what I wrote wasn't true ?

I mean, in June 2007 the girl I fell in love with (on internet on Tagged, never saw her though) died and after I heard a voice saying my name in my left ear, a girl's voice in amazement, I thought it was her and I vowed to stay faithful to her, now it's 2012 and I have been tricked by a lot of inner visions concerning my quest to find her through mystic yoga, never heard of her again, the innner visions and the thoughts that were not mine tricked me, it wasn't true. I spent 5 years of trying to be faithful to a dead girl, trying to find her.

I didn't find her.

I am in a band and I have a lot of realizations that I would make it in the music business, I would be famous and tell the world about the Islamic danger !!
That's been going on since 2006, the dream to become famous, and tell the world about the blessings of Krishna Conciousness as well.
I got a lot of inner visions about this and a lot of dreams which I wrote down and posted on dream forums.

Í didn't get famous.

So these are two examples that kept me in a prison for at least for 5 years.

Now, the Islamic conquest of the west in one night, what if this isn't true as well ? Then these realizations (inner visions, thoughts that were not mine and dreams) are not telling the truth, but they keep me in a prison of thinking the wrong way !!
Being convinced that this wil come true as well, like the dead girl and becoming famous, I kept on believing this since 2007, being called a little Hitler, a racist, a bigot and so on, I took it as my cross to bear, but what if it was designed to trick me and keep me in this prison since 2007 ?
Then I am thinking the wrong way since 5 years and if I continue this way, I will be in a prison for another 3 years (until 2015).

I am now really really doubting these realizations about the Islamic conquest of the west in one night.

I never found the girl (although this was promised to me by the means of a whole prophecy, the Cassandra prophecy which were inner visions and accompanying thoughts), I never got famous and probably the Islamic conquest of the west in one night will not happen as well.

I mean...........it is proven that I cannot trust inner visions and accompanying thoughts about some things, why should I trust these about the Islamic conquest ?

Originally Posted by erik

What if all what I wrote wasn't true ?

I mean, in June 2007 the girl I fell in love with (on internet on Tagged, never saw her though) died and after I heard a voice saying my name in my left ear, a girl's voice in amazement, I thought it was her and I vowed to stay faithful to her, now it's 2012 and I have been tricked by a lot of inner visions concerning my quest to find her through mystic yoga, never heard of her again, the innner visions and the thoughts that were not mine tricked me, it wasn't true. I spent 5 years of trying to be faithful to a dead girl, trying to find her.

I didn't find her.

I am in a band and I have a lot of realizations that I would make it in the music business, I would be famous and tell the world about the Islamic danger !!
That's been going on since 2006, the dream to become famous, and tell the world about the blessings of Krishna Conciousness as well.
I got a lot of inner visions about this and a lot of dreams which I wrote down and posted on dream forums.

Í didn't get famous.

So these are two examples that kept me in a prison for at least for 5 years.

Now, the Islamic conquest of the west in one night, what if this isn't true as well ? Then these realizations (inner visions, thoughts that were not mine and dreams) are not telling the truth, but they keep me in a prison of thinking the wrong way !!
Being convinced that this wil come true as well, like the dead girl and becoming famous, I kept on believing this since 2007, being called a little Hitler, a racist, a bigot and so on, I took it as my cross to bear, but what if it was designed to trick me and keep me in this prison since 2007 ?
Then I am thinking the wrong way since 5 years and if I continue this way, I will be in a prison for another 3 years (until 2015).

I am now really really doubting these realizations about the Islamic conquest of the west in one night.

I never found the girl (although this was promised to me by the means of a whole prophecy, the Cassandra prophecy which were inner visions and accompanying thoughts), I never got famous and probably the Islamic conquest of the west in one night will not happen as well.

I mean...........it is proven that I cannot trust inner visions and accompanying thoughts about some things, why should I trust these about the Islamic conquest ?

Well I think that is good that you are doubting yourself. Once in a while every person has to look inside of himself and see if what he believes is right. Now I think that your visions are a result of your desires combined with your views. You said you fell in love with this girl and then once heard her whispering in your ear. That was probably because you wanted it to happen. What you heard was a mirror of yourself , of your desire for that specific girl. Getting famous was your second desire ,but not only as a talented musician also as a prophet! Someone who will affect the world , someone that people will remember and know since he stopped the muslims from conquering the west and by that become a hero , a savior! That is how I see you desire. As I said earlier visions and dreams are a mere part of your own fantasies and desires. Now you are not the only one. Many other people like you have desires similar and different than yours. These desires also affect their life ,even if they just read something the way they predicted or wanted while it was not there. It happens to a lot of people and yes I among them. I as an example like to swim, ski , ice skate and actually do many things related to water. Because of that desire in most of my dreams water related stuff appears: sometime an ocean , snow , just a glass of water or even an underwater city all of these appeared in my dreams. Also one of the first LD powers I acquired was water bending since I desired it and chose to do it.

Now even though you may want something it doesn't mean you should let it determine how you will live. In my opinion one should be a master to his desires and decide by himself how he will live and what he will do. In addition one will also decide what he will desire by himself. Now I think that what you should do is understand what you really want and why do you want it? . Ask yourself "Do I really need that?", "Is that what I really want?", "Why do I want it?" , "If I do want it then how will I do it?" and "Does what I want suite my beliefs?". After you will answer these questions you will able to get a grasp of what you really want to do with your life.

Now you already started to question yourself and that is great. That prison you were describing is the prison made by some of your desires which you are not able to tame currently like a wild and rebellious Ox. Tame the Ox! use it to break the prison ,adapt yourself to your surroundings , to your real wishes in life as mentioned before that is evolution and you have to power to evolve.

Sorry if this is off topic Erik. but i can relate to yourself not trusting inner visions... For 3 years I created a dream character who is an archetypical vision of the kind of girl I want in my life as a girlfriend or soulmate for lack of a better term. I dreamed of her very vividly for a year and then set out to find a version of her in waking life. New to the new agey thing I was gullible enough to go to a psychic reading by someone who was deemed "uncannily accurate" by her clientele. And she was for me... at first. She described that I would meet a woman in late december of 2010 or early january of 2011. She described her a lot like the way my dream girlfriend asuka was. I was given very specific information about this woman. Well. came January of 2011 I did meet a girl online just like the psychic said, she also said I would meet her on a lucid dreaming forum. I met her here! I shyly sent this girl a message or two, and indeed our love began to blossom. This girl had waking imaginations that were almost verbatim to some of my dreams about Asuka. Her imaginings were geared towards meeting her soul mate, who sounded a lot like me as well. Unfortunately this girl, who was very pretty btw, lived in Pakistan and, after YEARS of coercion from her parents, She had reluctantly agreed to an arranged marriage. She dropped for two months.. two very painful months. and then told me what had happened. she was now married. We tied up loose ends and parted ways.

Another thing I should point out: the reading I got was several months before i met her. I was told she lived in an overseas country, and that I would travel to meet her. So, with no passport of diploma equivilant I set out to get those things. Like clockwork, circumstances lined up against me. My dad fired me from my well paying job, which i was also using as work experience to get my diploma. Work went up and down and I could barely keep food in the fridge and internet on. and by the Time I met this girl. I was in no position to fly to where she was and intervene. For those of you who are wondering. Her marriage isn't going well. She works like a slave and her Husband verbally abuses her, her in laws are also no better.

so while I was getting over that. I began calling online psychics... like a fool. The one i heard was accurate enough... just try again I thought, everyone has more than one soul mate right. Soon I began hearing of another soul mate coming in. To make a long story short I met her at work, which was a low paying wal mart job. And I'll be damned if she wasn't the spitting image of asuka herself. The way she walked, her long brown hair, the way she would smile at me and the way she dressed... most of it was exactly like asuka. But right away I knew something was wrong. She would begin to show interest in me at work, and then wouldn't talk to me for a long time. After a month or so of playing this game she broke down and asked me for drinks. We talked for quite a while. I told her about Asuka and the girl I met who was like her and how it turned out. She was also going through a heartbreak as well. It was perfect I thought. She didn;'t talk to me for a while after that and made plans with me again. It went well again until she made an excuse to live. Then she came over and made plans to watch a series with me she liked. Then she started dating like 10 different guys at a time. She never showed up no the arranged date of course. When I told her that I wasn't pleased. she tried to reframe it as my problem. Then she apologised. Eventually she moved away. All the while psychics (and dreams) were telling me she was my soul mate. She got in contact with me after she moved away. During that time i had been severely emotionally abused by my father, whom i don't live with anymore thank god, I told her what had happened and she promised to call me to talk about it.

Around the time she was supposed to call. she sent me a text saying that she decided to watch a movie with her room mate instead. When I told her to stop with the lame excuses and make up her fucking mind for once she told me that she didn't deserve to be called a liar. A while later she told me she had used a very dangerous mixture of drugs and was going to "find herself". But she would come back to town later and get a hold of me when she did. well she came back and never got a hold of me. then moved away again. right around the time I moved. That was another wioerd thing: the day she left the first time I moved in with my dad. A week after I moved out, she came back to the area, a week after I moved again to another place, she moved away again. WTF.

To this day I am calling Psychics. I know they are lying to me. It's just entertainment. Now the prediction is that I will meet someone new at an event coming up, to which I already have tickets. I have already dreamed about her. I doubt I'll meet anyone there. If I do I almost know there is going to be a catch that is going to leave me heartbroken yet again. Also it is predicted that some girl from the past will try to re enter my life who has some deep regrets. Good I can't wait to tell her where to go and how to get there... In the nicest way possible of course. Maybe I should just go gay. IDK. Fuck.

Originally Posted by Beefer

Now I think that what you should do is understand what you really want and why do you want it? . Ask yourself "Do I really need that?", "Is that what I really want?", "Why do I want it?" , "If I do want it then how will I do it?" and "Does what I want suite my beliefs?". After you will answer these questions you will able to get a grasp of what you really want to do with your life.

Now you already started to question yourself and that is great. That prison you were describing is the prison made by some of your desires which you are not able to tame currently like a wild and rebellious Ox. Tame the Ox! use it to break the prison ,adapt yourself to your surroundings , to your real wishes in life as mentioned before that is evolution and you have to power to evolve.

yeah, you might be right about this desire thing, but now things are different, right, so I have no desire to become famous anymore because I cannot support my own inner visions about the girl, the becoming famous thing and the conquest of the west by islam.
So to answer the first two questions and that would be : "no, I don't really need that" and "no, that's not what I really want" and that eradicates the rest of the questions.

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

Sorry if this is off topic Erik. but i can relate to yourself not trusting inner visions... For 3 years I created a dream character who is an archetypical vision of the kind of girl I want in my life as a girlfriend or soulmate for lack of a better term. I dreamed of her very vividly for a year and then set out to find a version of her in waking life. New to the new agey thing I was gullible enough to go to a psychic reading by someone who was deemed "uncannily accurate" by her clientele. And she was for me... at first. She described that I would meet a woman in late december of 2010 or early january of 2011. She described her a lot like the way my dream girlfriend asuka was. I was given very specific information about this woman. Well. came January of 2011 I did meet a girl online just like the psychic said, she also said I would meet her on a lucid dreaming forum. I met her here! I shyly sent this girl a message or two, and indeed our love began to blossom. This girl had waking imaginations that were almost verbatim to some of my dreams about Asuka. Her imaginings were geared towards meeting her soul mate, who sounded a lot like me as well. Unfortunately this girl, who was very pretty btw, lived in Pakistan and, after YEARS of coercion from her parents, She had reluctantly agreed to an arranged marriage. She dropped for two months.. two very painful months. and then told me what had happened. she was now married. We tied up loose ends and parted ways.

Another thing I should point out: the reading I got was several months before i met her. I was told she lived in an overseas country, and that I would travel to meet her. So, with no passport of diploma equivilant I set out to get those things. Like clockwork, circumstances lined up against me. My dad fired me from my well paying job, which i was also using as work experience to get my diploma. Work went up and down and I could barely keep food in the fridge and internet on. and by the Time I met this girl. I was in no position to fly to where she was and intervene. For those of you who are wondering. Her marriage isn't going well. She works like a slave and her Husband verbally abuses her, her in laws are also no better.

so while I was getting over that. I began calling online psychics... like a fool. The one i heard was accurate enough... just try again I thought, everyone has more than one soul mate right. Soon I began hearing of another soul mate coming in. To make a long story short I met her at work, which was a low paying wal mart job. And I'll be damned if she wasn't the spitting image of asuka herself. The way she walked, her long brown hair, the way she would smile at me and the way she dressed... most of it was exactly like asuka. But right away I knew something was wrong. She would begin to show interest in me at work, and then wouldn't talk to me for a long time. After a month or so of playing this game she broke down and asked me for drinks. We talked for quite a while. I told her about Asuka and the girl I met who was like her and how it turned out. She was also going through a heartbreak as well. It was perfect I thought. She didn;'t talk to me for a while after that and made plans with me again. It went well again until she made an excuse to live. Then she came over and made plans to watch a series with me she liked. Then she started dating like 10 different guys at a time. She never showed up no the arranged date of course. When I told her that I wasn't pleased. she tried to reframe it as my problem. Then she apologised. Eventually she moved away. All the while psychics (and dreams) were telling me she was my soul mate. She got in contact with me after she moved away. During that time i had been severely emotionally abused by my father, whom i don't live with anymore thank god, I told her what had happened and she promised to call me to talk about it.

Around the time she was supposed to call. she sent me a text saying that she decided to watch a movie with her room mate instead. When I told her to stop with the lame excuses and make up her fucking mind for once she told me that she didn't deserve to be called a liar. A while later she told me she had used a very dangerous mixture of drugs and was going to "find herself". But she would come back to town later and get a hold of me when she did. well she came back and never got a hold of me. then moved away again. right around the time I moved. That was another wioerd thing: the day she left the first time I moved in with my dad. A week after I moved out, she came back to the area, a week after I moved again to another place, she moved away again. WTF.

To this day I am calling Psychics. I know they are lying to me. It's just entertainment. Now the prediction is that I will meet someone new at an event coming up, to which I already have tickets. I have already dreamed about her. I doubt I'll meet anyone there. If I do I almost know there is going to be a catch that is going to leave me heartbroken yet again. Also it is predicted that some girl from the past will try to re enter my life who has some deep regrets. Good I can't wait to tell her where to go and how to get there... In the nicest way possible of course. Maybe I should just go gay. IDK. Fuck.

Hahaha, never go gay, better enjoy the game with the girls

Mindblowing story though, I have the same thing with my dreams, they were almost always foretelling and every time I read my dreambooks I find some new prophetic dreams who came out, latest was the lady who organized a talent contest in the neighborhood, she, AND the talent show, were foretold a couple of years ago in a dream.

I write "they were" because I am smoking weed since 22 days again and I almost always forget my dreams when I smoke weed.........I have to stop it tomorrow, I'm not going to the coffeeshop anymore, let's hope for the best ......

Originally Posted by erik

yeah, you might be right about this desire thing, but now things are different, right, so I have no desire to become famous anymore because I cannot support my own inner visions about the girl, the becoming famous thing and the conquest of the west by islam.
So to answer the first two questions and that would be : "no, I don't really need that" and "no, that's not what I really want" and that eradicates the rest of the questions.

Although I will not stop with making music and still wanna go ahead with my desire to record some songs in the studio........I love music !!

Originally Posted by erik

Although I will not stop with making music and still wanna go ahead with my desire to record some songs in the studio........I love music !!

So you found what you really desire that is great !

yep,

I'm very happy to make music, I can do whatever I want with it, the cats from the part with the blue stone are too overwhelming anyway