Thread: message to lucifers followers

Originally Posted by JoannaB

I just thought of a metaphor:

Scientists have found that octopuses have very high intelligence, but their intelligence is of course different from human intelligence. Still some things that an octopus can understand are signs of high intelligence by human standards as well: for example, an octopus can figure out how to maneuver not just one maze but two mazes, if the scientist keeps switching it from two tanks each of which contains a different maze, it is clear that the octopus remembers lessons learned.

Now imagine that someday in the future marine biologists figure out how octopuses communicate with oneanother and learn to replicate it. If such marine biologists then told an octopus something about undersea environment, the octopus could easily understand that and one could likely find some way to get the message across.

However, explaining about stuff outside of the sea or aquarium to an octopus would be either impossible or very challenging. And that is not because things outside the sea are not real, but because they are outside of the octopuses experience. A marine biologist in such a scenario could try to explain such concepts to an octopus, but the octopus would not understand.

We are kind of like the octopus, and prophets are kind of like the marine biologists in this scenario.

Again, this brings me back to stating that just because Science can't solve something like this (yet), doesn't mean Religion itself is going to be just as or more practical than Science.

This distraction with comparing the competency levels of Octopuses seems to be another example of distraction people tend to do. "Oh, Science can't cure cancer yet." "Science can't prevent environmental pollution."

And yet they never go go back to their medium of faith and try to find how that can solve these same problems. And this isn't even talking about higher intelligence nor a higher concept, I'm simply talking about how you thought Religion and Science had the same conceptual ambition. You could even compare us to potential life outside of our spectrum of reality, do you think Aliens (presumably) would be able to understand what we're talking about in the first place? How could we scale our intelligence to theirs are any other species outside the Earth?

When we go with this logic, it seems of little use to use as a metaphor. Marine biologists are not prophets, and if they are, it's because of their medium of faith, not because of their occupation as biologist and their purpose as scientists.

Originally Posted by knight31

Are these straight lines or curved lines? If you answer mine I will answer yours. Or does this have to be double standard or your theory falls apart?

Which lines?

You know what summary of your view I gave. I am referring to just one, and there is no issue of which one it is. By the law of the excluded middle, you either agree with it or do not. Which is it?

Originally Posted by knight31

Whatever your answer is I'm going to say the same thing back to you and it's what you decided. face it, that's checkmate.

you were only trying to use illogic to trap me into saying something illogical. You should play fair instead of cheating.
If I said straight line (or yes) you will bring up the curve. If I say curved line (or no) you will bring up the straight line.
In addition if I said both straight and curved. You would bring up only straight. If I said neither. you would bring up both.

This illustrates your strategy of trolling me.

No, your question is ambiguous. Mine is not.

Post my summary of your view, and boldface every part of it you consider incorrect.

Originally Posted by knight31

Even your scientist admit that there is different dimensions on top of each other, they are just debating how to find and contact them.
So you are going against your own faith even. which is not difficult cause science just changes with the culture. With dimensions it's easy that heaven could exist as an overlaping dimension.

First off a dimension wouldn't be on top of each other, and secondly the example you gave earlier for different dimension doesn't make any sense and doesn't fit into the theories on multiple dimensions. Third people think there might be other dimensions but in science we need evidence before we claim stuff. That is why when people talk about it, and give hypothesis they make it clear they are just possibilities but admit we are not sure. And lastly science isn't faith and it doesn't change with culture. All countries around the world has science and technology.

look this debate is silly if you have gone to the beach, or saw photos of planet earth. You will notice a thing called the ocean, and it's quite big, there is more sea water around earth than there is land right now. So what does that tell you of how possible a flood is? There is water for thousands of miles everywhere on the earth and you are saying a flood can't happen? If the water moved around a bit, it could cover america or any part of it.

Saying that just proves you don't really understand what you are talking about. If you moved water around there would be a big hole where the water used to be and the water would just flow back into it. There is a thing called gravity that makes water flow downwards. So no, that can not happen. Gravity would prevent you from just moving water around. What you are describing is just silly and impossible.

If laws don't change, then how can we make a photon either act like a wave or a particle? Your entire paradigm just collapsed now.

That actually doesn't make any sense. The fact that light has properties of both a wave and particle doesn't disprove any laws of physics and in fact the laws of physics is fully aware of that. That really has nothing to do with or discussion, so I am not even sure why you brought it up.

That's the point, early ideas we can now see had big flaws. And later down the track, they will look back and see big flaws on what you believe now. You will never get to the end of infinity. Infact if you tried to learn infinite knowledge, you would never get to infinity, and you would never be any closer to getting to it no matter how much you think you progressed. You are exactly as far away from reaching ultimate knowledge now, as humans were thousands of years ago, because infinity is never ending.

To say that we can't possibly know anything at all because knowing an infinite amount of stuff is impossible is just silly, and illogical. There is a lot of stuff people knew thousands of years ago and things don't just change. If you do an experiment and then repeat it a thousand years later, you will still get the same results. The great flood and most of the miracles in the bible(some are just natural phenomena) are impossible and no amount of new science is ever going to change that.

To say we need an infinite amount of knowledge to understand basic physical laws of reality is just silly.

All you have to do is move continents around on a map, and you will see there is enough blue space to cover the land space.

Again that is just stupid. If you move the a continent into the sea, the water would flow into the hole where the continent used to be. No amount of moving the land masses around will cause the water to cover all the land. It is physically impossible, there isn't enough water.

The cultural setting changes but the stories seem to be the same. That's actually showing that I'm more correct because people on other side of globe that lived thousands of years before another group that didn't even have contact with the other group, built same type of stones with same design as in another area. So you are pretty screwed.

No the stories are not the same, and the ones that are similar usually involve worshiping nature spirits and stuff. So are you saying that nature spirits are likely to be more true than the bible? Sounds like you are screwed because if nature spirits are the real gods of the world, then the bible would mean nothing.

I'm talking about actual things like stonehedge, where ancient stones that communicate the same message that were put up at different times in different parts of the world. You think you have evidence the bible is wrong, yet I can completely screw your world view over of history badly just by pointing out a few things like that.

That makes no sense at all. If you think the bible is written on stonehedge you have totally lost it.

You can rule out food being intact after a few thousand years, I think it's going to go past it's use by date. Water is obviously going to dry up in the desert.
clothing, they wore it, they wouldn't have left it in the desert. shelter, they were traveling, so they wouldn't build anything.

I am not talking about food but things used to cook and eat it, pots and pans and bowls. Plus they needed equipment to carry and store the food. People leave stuff around all the time, that is how we have learned a lot about history over the years, based on stuff we found.

Also if moses was doing things like parting the ocean water, it's funny you are worried about their survival in the desert without leaving a mess. Think about it, if he is parting the ocean, he probably can lead them across the desert easily without leaving a mess that would last for thousands of years. They wouldn't need to carry junk around with them. Infact that would slow them down.

Exactly, if you have a person who can do magic and make all things possible then anything could happen. However, at that point we have no reason to believe the story to be anything more than just a fairy tale. Which is exactly what it is, it isn't true at all. You shouldn't be so naive to believe in magic.

you think that they over powered him? He went along with their wishes, he could have easily said no. He even told one of his followers, I know you are going to betray me do what you have to do. Because he has to give permission for everything to happen. And he gave permission to be betrayed.

Do you really want to go down this rabbit hole because I am far from giving in

He could of easily said no? How exactly is that? He could of tried to escape but he would of been hunted down like a dog. Criminals don't get to say no and then leave. If he went with them peacefully it is only because he didn't want to be dragged down the street in chains.

you say you follow science but you are doing the appeal to popularity thing? Goes to show that you don't really trust science anyway.

You wanted evidence to show that Jesus was a con man, but we can't prove it thousands of years later. All we can go with is eye witness accounts and the vast majority of people living at that thought he was a mad man and didn't believe him, and he got arrested and sentence to death for being a criminal. Even the bible supports both these things, so it is reasonable to believe. How does that go against science?

they will be in a specific level of hell depending on how bad they were. If they lived a bad life, then they won't reach very far up. Atheist normally aren't very wise, so they don't get far in the afterlife because they never even believed in it lol. how could you be adept at something you never even thought was true.

You are just making stuff up again, none of this is supported by the bible or the church in any way what so ever.

yes god talks to me, that's how I know what I'm saying.

That just makes you insane if you are hearing voices in your head. I suggest you see a professional.

I'll show you the reference.

"He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave,
to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark,
or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."
(Rev 13:16-17)

That's going to be the RFID chip. Check the link out.
Mark of the Beast : Obama introduces the RFID BRAIN Initiatve to read your thoughts (Apr 3, 2013) - YouTube

That's Obama talking about how they have to have the mark of the beast implanted.

You are going from normal religious kooky to full on crazy now. The mark of the beast isn't refering to a chip at all, and there isn't any real plans for anyone to put such a thing in place any way.

That video doesn't even show what you claim it does. He doesn't talk about brain chips at all. The brain initiative is a project to map the entire human brain, it has nothing to do with RFID chips.

He will prove he is real AFTER the beast has tried to deceive. Not before. You don't get get an answer sheet that tells you the answers of a test, when you are in the exam. While you are being tested, god can't give you the answers or it wouldn't be a test.

no it's written in a really amazing way. If it wasn't so powerful it wouldn't be so prevalent and wouldn't be the topic.

Fact is you don't even know what the revelations mean yet.

That is pretty convenient. It is almost as if someone set up a system to trick naive people into believing something, and when they were asked for proof they said they could prove it but only later on when no one will ever been able to actually check it. Oh wait, that is exactly what it is.

Talk about being gullible. They know full well that by the time you realize they were lying to you, you will be dead and unable to do anything about it. That is why they never need to prove their evidence and they can claim any crazy thing they want.

That actually doesn't make any sense. The fact that light has properties of both a wave and particle doesn't disprove any laws of physics and in fact the laws of physics is fully aware of that. That really has nothing to do with or discussion, so I am not even sure why you brought it up.

According to science theories it is impossible for an electron to act like a wave. It's suppose to be a particle.

yet in this experiment they found the mere observation or measurement changes the properties of the electron and gives it different outcomes. In one instance it acts like a wave and another it acts different. You have no refutation for why that happens because there is none under the current model so you are screwed. The point is all of science has to be wrong now...... just from that experiment. This is how screwed up it is to be a scientist...

to appreciate what I just said I suggest you watch the video




Cause they don't know why they call it "the uncertainty principle" which means 'I don't know'. so they just use the "I dont know" law. through "uncertainty'. and use that as a rule! This is what happens someone comes along as they have to call the screw up something so they prepose the "i dont know law" happens when I do "this". because the electron doesn't act right so in this instance it's impossible for some reason and it does something impossible. "uncertainty law"

The fact is in this day an age that is not the only hole appearing in your theories. Your science is getting refuted so fast in so many ways with increasing technology that it's not even funny anymore how different science is than it was before. It's changed so much that most people are already about a decade behind and don't really know what science says about knowledge anymore. Cause it's falling apart all the time.

Science uses a method of experimentation. It doesn't claim to know anything. It doesn't even claim it. It just does experiments. Knowledge about science is changing so much that it's totally unstable as a source of reliability for your beliefs to live by. So it couldn't possibly help you.

They even started with "the god particle" stuff. So now they are even calling it god which is starting to make it even more comical.

The fact is your science is failing bad into a big mess called 'relativism'. or dialectical thinking. Which is the mental version of anarchy.

You look down on the bible as if it was outdated. But you couldn't be more wrong. It's the way into the future. And it even predicts what's going to happen in the future.


You know what the real sting is here for you? This is coming right now from someone who in research methods and actually does science for a living......So I know exactly how crazy and nonsensical the field is right now to be in.

The average person has a blind belief in science like it had credibility but in addition to that they are also in the dark of what experiments have shown over the years so they don't know the knowledge of their faith properly and it keeps changing. Ironically this is how they see bible believers as just Faithfully blindly following. But this really portrays scientists better than it does people who understand the bible.

The bible actually tells you the answer of all the crap that happens in the age of science failing, that we are in now. And it's called the last days.

Technology will do things that you think is ridiculous, and it will all merge into nothing less than what appears to you as a supernatural world. When you are confused and dazed. The Anti-christ will come upon the world stage and that is when that crap goes down of following the beast.

Originally Posted by knight31

You are falling into that satanic banner of relativism. In which Lucifer is trying to foster in order that he may put forth an unchallenged world view for global domination under the banner of unification. By making every belief system equal, he can utilize that for his new world order. I almost fell into that type of thinking. Until I realized something. If the sky is said to be blue, that's exclusive, not inclusive. It's saying it's not red or orange, but blue. The truth is divisive in nature. You either have truth, or you don't.

The truth is not divisive, perception is. You could not know the sky is blue if there were no other colours. Salience is a tool utilized by the human mind to provide an understanding of existence. Red and blue, dead or alive, moving or static, these are all (useful) illusions created by the mind that maximize the odds of your DNA continuing on. You're mistaken in your claim that the truth is divisive in nature; honestly, the mistake you made is believing that there is a truth at all.

Originally Posted by knight31

According to science theories it is impossible to transform something into a particle or a wave. It's suppose to be one or the other and not both....

yet in this experiment they found the mere observation or measurement changes the properties of the photon. You have no refutation for why that happens because there is none under the current model. The point is all of science has to be wrong now...... just from that experiment. This is how screwed up it is to be a scientist.

to appreciate what I just said I suggest you watch the video

I suggest you read up more on quantum physics. Once you do, things should make a little more sense to you. To me, it seems like you picked a seemingly impossible to explain argument and ran with it because you thought everyone you're arguing with has as little knowledge of the subject as you.

That claim doesn't even make sense. Why would all science be wrong because you are unable to explain one thing? Also there isn't anything in science that says light can't behave like a particle and a wave, and in fact that experiment was first done in 1909 and everyone knows how light behaves now. So that isn't like some big shock that is going to destroy science, it is very old news and has been heavily studied since then.

Time for a short intermission....don't panic, and remember remain indoors.

Did you tap out, Knight?

Hey JoannaB

I love Friendly Face's avatar makes me giggle each time I see it because it fits his/her username (FriendlyFace).

Thanx for uploading an avatar JoanneB. It makes scrolling-back through threads looking for your stuff much easier (on this phone)

OP (knight31) said, in post #9:

But it's not surprising considering your choice of*avatar
*and name "stonedape".

post #67 gab notices that the OP (knight31) has changed his avatar.

Originally Posted by gab

Couldn't help but notice, that you have changed your avatar. So the coat of arms was sufficiently burned? Is the same thing happening to the cross now? Just curious, because that sounds like you contradicting yourself.

Originally Posted by JoannaB

Is unsubscribing from this thread. See you in other threads everyone.

I love your perseverance in this deep and important thread JoanneB.

there's this neat thread where you can check-out what folks think of your avatar.

I was on it a year or so ago and kept changing my avatar for fun to see what folks would say about it.

What does the little fishy in the top-right corner mean? And what is that white sculpture thingy?

Please explain.

here is that funny thread:

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http://www.dreamviews.com/senseless-...above-you.html

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Originally Posted by JoannaB

I just thought of a metaphor:

Scientists have found that octopuses have very high intelligence, but their intelligence is of course different from human intelligence. Still some things that an octopus can understand are signs of high intelligence by human standards as well: for example, an octopus can figure out how to maneuver not just one maze but two mazes, if the scientist keeps switching it from two tanks each of which contains a different maze, it is clear that the octopus remembers lessons learned.

Now imagine that someday in the future marine biologists figure out how octopuses communicate with oneanother and learn to replicate it. If such marine biologists then told an octopus something about undersea environment, the octopus could easily understand that and one could likely find some way to get the message across.

However, explaining about stuff outside of the sea or aquarium to an octopus would be either impossible or very challenging. And that is not because things outside the sea are not real, but because they are outside of the octopuses experience. A marine biologist in such a scenario could try to explain such concepts to an octopus, but the octopus would not understand.

We are kind of like the octopus, and prophets are kind of like the marine biologists in this scenario.

O O O Kay (!!!)

it says that this YouTube is 40 years old (???)

I found it while looking at stuff after putting "intelligent octopus" into the YouTube "search-bar". The reason the extremely intelligent octopus doesn't study humans in its Laboratory is because it only lives just 2 years.

Here is that 40+ year old YouTube (!?¡¿?!)

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NOVA scienceNOW w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson: How smart are animals? - YouTube

***(53:10) 44,522 views Uploaded 1-January-1970 (???)

Originally Posted by debrajane

Hey JoannaB

I love Friendly Face's avatar makes me giggle each time I see it because it fits his/her username (FriendlyFace).

Thanx for uploading an avatar JoanneB. It makes scrolling-back through threads looking for your stuff much easier (on this phone)

OP (knight31) said, in post #9:



post #67 gab notices that the OP (knight31) has changed his avatar.




I love your perseverance in this deep and important thread JoanneB.

there's this neat thread where you can check-out what folks think of your avatar.

I was on it a year or so ago and kept changing my avatar for fun to see what folks would say about it.

What does the little fishy in the top-right corner mean? And what is that white sculpture thingy?

Please explain.

here is that funny thread:

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http://www.dreamviews.com/senseless-...above-you.html

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Thanks! Haven't decided yet whether or not I like my avatar, but it is very personal so maybe I should keep it - it's beginning to grow on me. It's a collage of two photos of mine: the big photo that you call a "sculpture thingy" is a Phaleonopsis orchid flower, and the picture in picture is indeed a fish - it is a photo of my favorite pet fish ever,now alas deceased, which was a female albino longfinned bristlenose pleco. The two pictures show two former obsessions of mine, two hobbies that I got really into: orchids and fish. Now, I still have the orchids and fish, but I am no longer as obsessed with them. Oh, and for knight31's benefit, even at the height of my obsession I have never worshipped neither an orchid nor a fish, and have no intension of doing so: they are pets not idols.

I usually don't butt in on threads like this but I just feel like it this time, cause I want to see peoples reaction, and cause I want to learn from them.

Originally Posted by knight31

According to science theories it is impossible for an electron to act like a wave. It's suppose to be a particle.

yet in this experiment they found the mere observation or measurement changes the properties of the electron and gives it different outcomes. In one instance it acts like a wave and another it acts different. You have no refutation for why that happens because there is none under the current model so you are screwed. The point is all of science has to be wrong now...... just from that experiment. This is how screwed up it is to be a scientist...

to appreciate what I just said I suggest you watch the video




Cause they don't know why they call it "the uncertainty principle" which means 'I don't know'. so they just use the "I dont know" law. through "uncertainty'. and use that as a rule! This is what happens someone comes along as they have to call the screw up something so they prepose the "i dont know law" happens when I do "this". because the electron doesn't act right so in this instance it's impossible for some reason and it does something impossible. "uncertainty law"

The fact is in this day an age that is not the only hole appearing in your theories. Your science is getting refuted so fast in so many ways with increasing technology that it's not even funny anymore how different science is than it was before. It's changed so much that most people are already about a decade behind and don't really know what science says about knowledge anymore. Cause it's falling apart all the time.

I agree with the other people here, you don't know what quantum phyiscs is about. It's not an "I don't know" type of law, but it actually says a lot about reality which can be understood, but you have to dig deep and think for yourself to understand this. I don't even want to elaborate on this as I'd be easily writing up an insane wall of text here, of which I don't even know if you would understand it.

I feel you are mentally to young to preach just as everyone else is who tries, that is not an insult but an opinion. Your view on life/spirituality/religion/science is limited. As is mine, but I don't try to preach people what's right until I've seen the picture. To see the picture go through this checklist:

Understand how the world works at it's smallest: Like quantum physics, as I said above, you CAN understand this, and it's not breaking science in any way
Understand how the world works at it's biggest: See reality from so far outside that the universe is but one speck in your vision
Try to see the 2 things above simultanously and let the laws and implications flow into each other
Build up your spiritual knowledge, get at least a rough feeling for every religion, feeling and opinion there is, not just the bible
Build up your mental knowledge, get a feeling for all things a mind/spirit/soul/whatever can do, and by feeling I this time mean TRY them: meditate, lucid dream, explore your own personality, watch the creation of sentience (at best create a tulpa [ignore the horrorstory/creepypasta crap though])... there's a lot more
Soak up Information about the world, look what's happening and don't close your eyes to anything
When you feel you are done with the points above, let everything flow into each other, and see the picture as a whole, or to be precise just about enough of the picture to start preaching on earth

Do you see the picture of what is life/reality? I certainly don't, not yet, but I'm trying my best. No one on this planet does, or that person doesn't share for whatever reason. And I claim the bible to be very far away from doing that as well, or do you claim the bible to give you insight into all those areas? And if not then why preach anything about it?

Oh and a small speck of spice for those who "hear the voice" inform yourself about thoughtforms/tulpae and prove that "the voice" ain't one.

"Learning from The Octopus"

My YouTube app (that I can link from) broke, soon after I linked that wonderful YouTube about "Intelligent Animals" it claimed to be uploaded over 40 years ago. But YouTube only started in 2005. I found the same video with the other YouTube app, the one that came with this phone (the one that won't let me post links), and on that app the upload date was (May-7-2012).

Well

The linkable app is finally back up.

I hit my "intelligent octopus" search and the hacked (40+ year old) upload is gone.

But then I noticed this one:

"Learning from The Octopus". It is a long (1hrs 25minutes) upload February-5, 2013.

Learning from The Octopus"

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Learning from the Octopus: Nature's Lessons for Good Global Governance - YouTube

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(16:59) picture of octopus

and so this idea of solving problems, living with risk, being adaptable (...) people are saying, "We got to be more adaptable these days" (...).

1st idea decentralization

The first idea comes from this amazing member of my working group named Gary Vermay. Vermay is ... he studies fossil life. (...)

Vermay has been blind since he was 3 years old. So everything he knows is through his sense of touch. (...)

He studies fossils patterns (...)

What species have been most successful at diversifying? (...)

(18:33) - The most successful species are the ones who have a decentralized way of responding to changes in their environment.

The Octopus is a great example u (...)

(21:13) 2nd idea is that they use redundancy to solve many types of problems. (...)

The biologist (?) was once asked:

"What do all you studies of nature tell you about God?"

and he said,

"Well, He must have an inordinate fondness for beetles" (22:22)

I will stop there but it is all good.

Bye the way, did everyone notice at the (6:20) point of the 40 year old YouTube, How Smart are Animals post # 161 that the amazing dog named Chaser picked "Pink" the plush toy OCTOPUS 1st. (sync, sync, sync)

Thank you JoanneB, for telling me about you fishy and orchid avatar.

Originally Posted by debrajane

The biologist (?) was once asked:

"What do all you studies of nature tell you about God?"

and he said,

"Well, He must have an inordinate fondness for beetles" (22:22)

LOL. That's funny. Thanks for sharing, debrajane!

Btw, I started watching the lecture Learning from the Ocopus, and you are right: very interesting. Thanks!

Originally Posted by StaySharp

you don't know what quantum phyiscs is about.

That's kind of a wild assumption you don't even know me let alone my knowledge base. But this is what happens when you faith is threatened yeah?

It's not an "I don't know" type of law,

The reason they called it the uncertainty principle, is cause they were uncertain. It doesn't get more clear than that lol.

but it actually says a lot about reality which can be understood

that's a very vague statement. Almost as vague as the "uncertainty principle"

I feel you are mentally to young to preach

I feel you are too judgmental to preach back.

Build up your spiritual knowledge

that was in the bible already.

I claim the bible to be very far away from doing that as well, or do you claim the bible to give you insight into all those areas? And if not then why preach anything about it?

The bible says build knowledge, but it says way more than that.

Originally Posted by knight31

That's kind of a wild assumption you don't even know me let alone my knowledge base. But this is what happens when you faith is threatened yeah?

Well I don't have anything like "faith" in that sense, how could it be threatened? I know I don't really know how the world works. Who knows you might actually be right! It's just that, when I take everything I learned in my life and take a close look at what you present from your knowledge base in words here, I don't see a single reason to believe that, not even a hint.

Originally Posted by knight31

The reason they called it the uncertainty principle, is cause they were uncertain. It doesn't get more clear than that lol.

that's a very vague statement. Almost as vague as the "uncertainty principle"

Some posts ago you told us you don't know what quantum physics is about, and you did it again here. For any particle there is a certain possibility it is here or there.

So about the double slit experiment... The law behind that is crazy because the real world doesn't look like that, which whoever is due to the law itself again. Everything is always in superposition to everything else unless the "information zones" get connected to each other, by any kind of interaction between particles. In our big world the amount of particles interacting with each other is so big that our world appears to us as one of those zones because the superpositional states are being created and disolved at an incredible rate, turning possibilities into something which can actually be calculated and predicted.

Tell me, can you repeat the double slit experiment with an atom? A rock? A planet?

Originally Posted by knight31

I feel you are too judgmental to preach back.

Opinion registered and accepted, I personally feel I'm trying to understand you as well as making you understand something, not preaching. But you are free to feel otherwise.

Originally Posted by knight31

that was in the bible already.

Everything? Really? The world doesn't work like that, but once you close yourself because you feel you learnt enough, you stop advancing. A no go for any spiritual leader or anyone who tries to preach anything.

Or put otherwise: Think about your mission to bring god into peoples hearts, if that mission is indeed what you should be doing than you should try to do a good job, right? And with that attitude you won't get me or anyone here to believe in god, hence you are not doing a good job, and for gods sake you should try harder than that. Trying harder means opening up your mind here.

Originally Posted by knight31

The bible says build knowledge, but it says way more than that.

You contradict yourself a little here, if it says that, chances are it meant more than reading the bible, right?


Oh and by the way, I very well consider god to be an existing person or whatever. I just don't see how I should give him any more value, if he leaves the world in this state, than I should give those humans who watch suffering and do nothing. I'll quote Epicurus for understanding:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

Now don't tell me it's because of love or peoples free will or whatever. An omnipotent being can fit those things into a world without suffering. If you feel this argument is wrong, try harder to prove so.

Now give your personal mission another shot, and preferably your best, in life you must communicate and make people understand when you preach, so show me something I haven't heard yet.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

Evil does not exist with god. Only when you separate yourself from god by your own actions do you get evil, god isn't responsible for your actions. You are.

it's simple when you think about it.

Originally Posted by knight31

Evil does not exist with god. Only when you separate yourself from god by your own actions do you get evil, god isn't responsible for your actions. You are.

it's simple when you think about it.

Then good does not exist in god either, then why would I believe in him?
And if course I'm responsible for my actions just as God has to be. I wouldn't believe in anyone who is not good or not responsible for his actions.

Try harder, I said it already.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

Then good does not exist in god either, then why would I believe in him?
And if course I'm responsible for my actions just as God has to be. I wouldn't believe in anyone who is not good or not responsible for his actions.

Try harder, I said it already.

No. God is good. Clearly.

It's just your assumption that god can't be good without evil. He's got infinite power remember.


by the way in regards to the double split experiment. Electrons are part of the basic building blocks of matter as it exists. If you can do something with an electron. You can do it with everything.

Originally Posted by knight31

No. God is good. Clearly.

It's just your assumption that god can't be good without evil. He's got infinite power remember.

I meant he is not good without doing good. Not doing/being evil does not equal being good.
And you evaded a bunch of questions, so I will assume my assumptions are partially correct.
I'll give you one more post to convince me, otherwise I'll take my gained data and what I learned and will leave this thread.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

I meant he is not good without doing good. Not doing/being evil does not equal being good.
And you evaded a bunch of questions, so I will assume my assumptions are partially correct.

I may not have time to answer 'a bunch' of questions since I am busy.

what you said is also irrelevant and boring. So what else can I say other than you don't know what you are talking about.

Just look up with dialectical thinking is, and then realize how your questions are pointless when it comes to infinite power.

No, you can't do it with everything. Just because an electron has a certain property doesn't mean everything with an electron in it has the same property. That is silly and makes no sense.

We seem to have reached the conclusion that both sides are silly. I can agree with that.

Originally Posted by knight31

I may not have time to answer 'a bunch' of questions since I am busy.

You have used that excuse with so many of your characters. The funniest was when you were Keeper and you said you didn't have time to answer any questions in a thread you started, but you kept posting in the thread. When people asked you to answer a few simple questions because you were there, you said you didn't have time. Classic stuff.

Okay, I'll quit calling you out. I don't want you to go away. I just think this stuff is hilarious.

Originally Posted by knight31

I may not have time to answer 'a bunch' of questions since I am busy.

what you said is also irrelevant and boring. So what else can I say other than you don't know what you are talking about.

Just look up with dialectical thinking is, and then realize how your questions are pointless when it comes to infinite power.

Well as a spiritual leader you fail, you don't even get your message over to people who are willing to listen. Having no time is no excuse on this matter, you spent enough time in this thread that I can tell that you could spare that time, just as I'm busy but still can spare that time. No ones going to buy that one for any price.

Next thing, when you can't analyze the voice in your head, chances are it's some stupid Tulpa toying with you or even worse a Tulpa actually believing that stuff. Thinking of that possibility makes a lot of sense but also really creeps me out. I hate living in a world where things like this can happen.

As for dialectical thinking... man I'm far beyond dialectical thinking, and I had that stuff in school more than I wanted. I put things in context far more thorough than dialectical thinking, and as a very last small hint: Infinite power still doesn't break the equation, even if it is uber-infinite or whatever, even when I use dialectical thinking or my own more complex approach.

I use people like you to learn about people who have "faith" in god. You people are easily predictable, it was basically clear to me what you would say next.
I got the data I wanted and will take my leave from here, and as I said already, like that you're convincing no one. If you're busy chances are you should spend your time on that business, assuming you manage to get that done, unlike your preaching here which gets nothing done.

No offense, just my view of the world and in this case you.