Why do those with a strong dislike to christianity tolerate, or even welcome with open arms, Islam.

[Thatperson]

I've noticed that many of the christianity hating atheists are quite tolerant of islam and often even welcome it with open arms. What i'm getting at here is many people (including some on this forum) have a strong dislike to christianity citing it prevents them from buying alcohol on sundays, prevents them from gambling etc, but are often very tolerant and sometimes welcoming to islam. Islam has many of the things christianity has, sometimes even more so, it has a much tougher stance on alcohol, is opposed to gambling, pornography etc. So why is it that the christianity haters are so pro islam?

[nina]

citations pls What's your source for this assumption?

[Spartiate]

I do not look down on Christianity, Islam, Judaism and others. They are all equally worthless .

[dajo]

There is a difference between arguing against the specifics of a belief, or against a culture as a whole. If I were to read generalizations against christian countries, or the jewish culture, I would take a stance as well. If I were to read paranoid statements about christianity, as it is popular with islam these days, I would speak against that just the same. I also don't think you understood what people were saying. I'd like to see citations as well.

[cygnus]

i have no idea where you pulled this idea from, OP. atheists generally dislike all religions, although some elements are more tolerable than others. and also, that doesn't make any sense at all because fundamentalism is more predominant in islamic nations.

[Universal Mind]

I understand what you are getting at, and I think I can explain it. Like Dajo mentioned, I think what you have seen for Islam is defense of Muslims themselves and their rights. Taking up for Islam as though it is a rational belief system would be very different. In Extended Discussion, you have seen a lot of defense of cultural and legal rights for Muslims. In Religion/Spirituality, you have seen atheists trashing the belief system of Christianity and its social effects, but not the rights of Christians to have a culture in a nation. That is the distinction. If there were a thread here on Christians moving into a country and changing the culture, I don't think the atheists here would come across as so anti-Christian. If there were a thread on how much sense the religion of Islam makes, I think you would see Islam torn up by atheists. I have seen it happen here a few times. There have been a few Muslims to strike this forum, and their religious points were argued against just as vigorously as those of Christians. Here's one of the threads... http://www.dreamviews.com/f37/koran-...quality-43728/

[ninja9578]

I've never known anyone who was anti-christian and pro-islam. Most people who hate christianity (like me) hate all religions, largely because we blame them for most of the wars. If you're referring to the fact that smart people got pissed off when fox did this: FOXNews.com - Plan to Build Mosque Near Ground Zero Riles Families of 9/11 Victims it's because we're equal rights and Fox News is incredibly racist. Supporting the right to practice Islam is not the same as supporting Islam.

[Thatperson]

If i were to make a thread on here (or any forum with a large atheist following) titles "christianity sucks" most of the responses would be along the line of "yeah, it sure does" but if i made a thread titled "islam sucks" the responses would be along the lines of "OMFG YOU'RE RACIST" Indeed, many of the people who support the right of muslims to practise their religion are opposed to christians bring their children up christian (calling it evil, suppresive of childrens rights etc). It would seem that the majority of people have no problem with islamic schools yet a large proportion are opposed to creationism being taught in school.

[Spartiate]

If i were to make a thread on here (or any forum with a large atheist following) titles "christianity sucks" most of the responses would be along the line of "yeah, it sure does" but if i made a thread titled "islam sucks" the responses would be along the lines of "OMFG YOU'RE RACIST" Your threads so far have been more along the line of "Muslims suck". It's like the difference between "Christianity sucks" and "Christians suck", there's a HUGE difference.

[Thatperson]

my threads have been along the line of "muslims suck" ???

[Spartiate]

They've been more focused on the people (immigrants, races, etc.) than the religion (Islam).

[Xei]

Yet another thread showing your amazing confirmation bias and distorted view of reality... I've never seen anything that supports what you're saying. In fact, if anything, I'd say I see atheists complaining about Islam with more force than they do about Christianity, although probably with less frequency (simply because it's much less popular in the West). In fact I find it quite amazing. Have you even read these forums before? Do the things you're saying have any credibility or are they just total prejudiced fantasies? I can guarantee you that there will be several threads in the archives about Islam, and if anybody implied this made the author a racist, they'd be laughed out of town. I guess I'm one of the people you ascribe this 'Islam love' to. You'd be totally wrong. Religions have many different interpretations among different people and so are not single, objective entities, but going by the scripture alone, I find Islam just as disgusting as Christianity. They both endorse oppression, murder... many horrible things. As for both religions in the mainstream sense, it is more a question of strong dislike or disappointment than disgust; only in religious extremists would scripture be equatable with religion. The vast majority of people nowadays ignore what the scripture says and relatively autonomously form their own opinions of what is right or wrong. My sense of disappointment in these people is because of their inability to free themselves of the crutch of religion, and also simply because I think they are stupid for believing in such childish things as gods. However I will always defend these people's freedom of speech, and I will defy anybody who attempts to abuse their rights; it has nothing to do with religion. It's because they're people. And the sad and obvious truth is that the only reason you think people have a bias towards Islam is because they're always having to defend Muslims. And why are they always having to defend Muslims? You.

[Puffin]

I'm an atheist that pretty much ignores Christian customs (not so much dislike), but I'm somehow a bit more open to other beliefs. I'm not sure why this is, but perhaps it's because I know less about their customs than those of Christians.

[Sekhmet]

Dreamviews is not a christian website. Deal with it.

[Thatperson]

This applies to real life more than forums but happens on forums aswell. The points i'm making is that many people are tolerant of muslims bringing up their children muslim and all the beliefs that go with it, however they are intolerent to christian parents who teach they're children about god and often call them "brainwashers" etc. They will also be opposed to christian schools teaching creationism but be find with islamic school teaching creationism to their students. I just wondered why there is this anti-christian bias. For the record I personally am fine with both muslims bringing their children up muslim and christians bringin their children up christian (and both islamic schools and christian schools teaching creationism)

[Saturos]

Christians try to blow people up, and Muslims don't.

[Sekhmet]

Cite your sources. And if this is a common phenomenon, then you should have lots. As other people have said already in this thread, tolerating someone's right to practice a certain religious belief is not the same as endorsing that religion. Learn the difference.

[Xei]

This applies to real life more than forums but happens on forums aswell. The points i'm making is that many people are tolerant of muslims bringing up their children muslim and all the beliefs that go with it, however they are intolerent to christian parents who teach they're children about god and often call them "brainwashers" etc. They will also be opposed to christian schools teaching creationism but be find with islamic school teaching creationism to their students. I just wondered why there is this anti-christian bias. For the record I personally am fine with both muslims bringing their children up muslim and christians bringin their children up christian (and both islamic schools and christian schools teaching creationism) The thing is you're the only person who seems to have noticed this abundance of non-religious pro-Islam anti-Christian people. And even if this did happen...

[Thatperson]

lol I don't know what came over me when I assumed that asking a question was going to get an answer but nevermind...

[Xei]

You did. If you take a second or two to read your thread you'll discover that about ten people have all given you the same answer. If I make a thread asking how bunnies levitate, and somebody replies that they can't, that's an answer. Believe it or not, no matter how long I wait, nobody is going to explain to me how bunnies levitate. Sorry.

[Hidden]

Indeed, many of the people who support the right of muslims to practise their religion are opposed to christians bring their children up christian (calling it evil, suppresive of childrens rights etc). It would seem that the majority of people have no problem with islamic schools yet a large proportion are opposed to creationism being taught in school. Since when have people complained about Christians bringing up their children to be Christian as well? As for being opposed to teaching creationism in schools: yes, creationism should not be taught in public schools. Private Christian schools are a completely different story.

[DrunkenArse]

Since when have people complained about Christians bringing up their children to be Christian as well? I certainly have had some pretty strong things to say about it. But I feel the same way about muslims bringing their children up to be muslims as well. Such parents are denying their children the ability to access huge parts of their human heritage by cutting off the ability for inquisitive, rational thought. I do not and never have had any illusions that it is anything other than outright child abuse. With regards to the OP, I fail to favor any aspect of the judeo-christian-islamic religion more than any other. The whole thing is one big pernicious lie so far as I'm concerned. While it can certainly be injected with insight by someone that already possesses it, any good interpretation of the torah/bible/ koran relies on ignoring massive parts of it. How do we know which parts of it to ignore? because we already have the 'moral' insight which this book supposedly instills in us.

[Maria92]

This applies to real life more than forums but happens on forums aswell. The points i'm making is that many people are tolerant of muslims bringing up their children muslim and all the beliefs that go with it, however they are intolerent to christian parents who teach they're children about god and often call them "brainwashers" etc. They will also be opposed to christian schools teaching creationism but be find with islamic school teaching creationism to their students. I just wondered why there is this anti-christian bias. For the record I personally am fine with both muslims bringing their children up muslim and christians bringin their children up christian (and both islamic schools and christian schools teaching creationism) I don't support anyone teaching creationism. I don't care what their background is, I think it is balderdash and brainwashing at its finest. That said, people technically do have a right to do that to their own children. If Christians are going to flex that right, I think muslims should be able to, as well, even though I disagree with the practice. I'm here to defend against the massive Christian majority. The minorities have always had to endure the oppression of the majority. When people allow matters of political persuasions or issues of personal rights to be tarnished by their religious views, something must change. If religions around the world encouraged tolerance and leaving people the hell alone, I wouldn't be having such a problem. But instead, so many emphasize converting people, spreading the faith, condemning homosexuals, etc. When those beliefs find their way into the legal system and people start altering laws to match their personal religious beliefs, there is something fundamentally sick with that society. That is when people like myself step up and defend the minorities, which may very well include ourselves.

[Squat]

hmmmm from my experience people hate Muslims the most :-D but come on brother, who cares if they love or hate us