Thread: Menthol as a Dream Enhancer

Hi Alyzarin,

Firstly, I really like your new Avatar. It is really striking & really colourful. Who is the artist behind it?
(I know it's off topic - so apologies to everyone!)

As Mosh has already stated. You have put a tremendous effort into your research, so fair play on that.
I myself will look into this, if you don't mind. I currently have very good to excellent results on AJ and a LOW dose of B6. WBTB works for me, so it would be interesting for me to compare this against a product which contained methanol as an active ingredient.
Hopefully I can get some time and try this all being well.

Regards.

P.S: Freudian Slip... I have just noticed my earlier post. I mean't Menthol really! Not Methanol!!!

So yesterday i took one single cough drop (6,5mg) before going to bed... i didn't expect much from it, but just to try why not... After all i didn't notice anything spectacular.

So i woke up for WBTB and when going back to sleep i took 2 cough drops (13mg), but still nothing really spectacular happened.

Now i have 6 cough drops left and 3 would equal 19,5mg... so tomorrow at WBTB i'll take 3


Also, there is hungarian candy that's named Negro. It's pretty intense in the menthol aspect... i used to eat a lot of that when i was younger... I think i'll try to get a pack of that soon I have no idea how much menthol it has actually, but i hope it's good enough as a pack has around 20 candies or more.

Alright, well all I really have to say for myself so far is that I didn't take it last night, and there was definitely a drop in vividness and recall. I'm definitely going to stick with it even if it takes us a while to figure out how to get everyone to have more success just so I can tweak it until I figure something out.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Yeah, when I said a minimum of 7-8, I meant his dose (the guy above) would have to be more than, or equal to, what I took.... given 8.6mg per sweet, and he ate the whole pack. I doubt you'd get a pack of sweets with less than 7-8 sweets.

It was full of artifacts, floating particles etc. As if my vision was so clear that I could see the molecules in the air (dream molecules, of course ).

Yeah, for sure. If only he was still online. :T I'm going to have to do some more research into where exactly the "safe" doses of menthol end.... It's possible that the doses we're taking are still really low.

But that sounds awesome! I'd love to have that kind of thing happen. >w<

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I might make extract some menthol from the peppermint plant near my bog. Then I can join in too.

Awesome! I'd love to hear your results with that. I'm thinking about getting some essential oil myself, just to try a purer source.

Originally Posted by Kaomea

Sooooooo thanks to all the talk of which Halls flavor of cough drops to buy, I invested $1.25 into some Ice Blue Peppermint drops. 10mg pieces, wooohooooo.

Date: July 3, 2012
Amount: 30 mg
Duration of sleep: 6 hrs
Vividness: Typical
Lucid: No
Stability: Typical
Dreams: Think I saw SaltySeeDog at the beach in passing, teased him about some board shorts on the sand. Then I found Rhianna (go figure) and she was with her friend and we all did some wind surfing and leaping from surf boards into the water. Nothing near a nightmare.

So, sad to say, I didn't wake up naked either I'll try it for a few nights since Aly mentioned there might be some benefits with consistency. Will keep it at 30 mg.

Did you get a kind of eucalyptus oil in it? Wolfwood has made me think about some things... and I'm not sure, but right now I think the repeated dosing thing will work more effectively the purer your source is. That's one of the reasons I want the essential oil right now, mine has eucalyptus oil and lecithin in it as well. Though, anything with that should still be usable, and potentially better with WBTBs.

Originally Posted by RobStar

Hi Alyzarin,

Firstly, I really like your new Avatar. It is really striking & really colourful. Who is the artist behind it?
(I know it's off topic - so apologies to everyone!)

As Mosh has already stated. You have put a tremendous effort into your research, so fair play on that.
I myself will look into this, if you don't mind. I currently have very good to excellent results on AJ and a LOW dose of B6. WBTB works for me, so it would be interesting for me to compare this against a product which contained methanol as an active ingredient.
Hopefully I can get some time and try this all being well.

Regards.

P.S: Freudian Slip... I have just noticed my earlier post. I mean't Menthol really! Not Methanol!!!

Thanks, RobStar! I'm actually not sure who the artist is, I wish I was.... I got it off of a site that got it off of another site, and didn't really give any information on it. :T

I'm glad you're interested. We could use as many testers as possible! Even if it doesn't turn out to be all too amazing, at least we can get some kind of idea what's going on. It definitely does have an effect in me so far, even if it's not something extremely significant.

Also, I read this post first on my phone, and the second I did I jumped on my laptop and came to this thread hoping that you had already corrected that typo. I'm going to spell this out here now, just in case anybody else happens to think the wrong thing at first glance:

We are talking about M-E-N-T-H-O-L,
NOT M-E-T-H-A-N-O-L.

Please don't go out ingesting methanol, people. You have so much to live for. X)

Originally Posted by littlezoe

So yesterday i took one single cough drop (6,5mg) before going to bed... i didn't expect much from it, but just to try why not... After all i didn't notice anything spectacular.

So i woke up for WBTB and when going back to sleep i took 2 cough drops (13mg), but still nothing really spectacular happened.

Now i have 6 cough drops left and 3 would equal 19,5mg... so tomorrow at WBTB i'll take 3


Also, there is hungarian candy that's named Negro. It's pretty intense in the menthol aspect... i used to eat a lot of that when i was younger... I think i'll try to get a pack of that soon I have no idea how much menthol it has actually, but i hope it's good enough as a pack has around 20 candies or more.

Sounds good. The candy thing sounds like a good idea, I would sooner ingest a massive amount of candy than a massive amount of cough drops.

I'm glad we're getting a good amount of testing around these doses out of the way, this'll really help.... It seems like most people at least aren't getting much from around this level, so it probably does need a boost. I'm still thinking about the dream molecule thing that Wolfwood said from his dose. I may need to try that dose next time....

Yeah, what do you mean by 'safe'? As the average lethal dose for 50% of participants (Rabbits) is 5628 mg/kg.... I'm not sure how this scales up to humans. But if it was a matter of, if you weigh 90kg x 5628 mg = 506g, then all is fine. Even if we take a ridiculously conservative estimate and say 1g in 24 hours.... that's well off the mg we're taking.

Oh, and I took the same amount last night. All that happened were a series of dreams that involved a lot of people dying -- though this isn't unusual for me. I fought Mike Tyson for a laugh, and he called me a n***** throughout. o.o

Nothing to report basically. I'm going to try this during a WBTB tonight.

Yeah, I was just looking at those figures.... You can't really just convert one species' LD50 into humans and get a perfect figure, but the fact that multiple species all have huge LD50s dose speak quite a lot to its safety. I may try ~100 mg tonight and see where that gets me, if I feel like choking down that many cough drops. X) Maybe I'll go get some stronger ones.

Haha, you make this kind of hard to pick out the nightmares with your dreams being so psychotic anyway, huh?

Yeah, and my packet says I can consume 1 whole pack in 24hours. That'd be 170mg.

lol... yeah... Alright.

Ah, well there you go. Alright, 100 mg it is.

Oh, by the way, I feel I should mention this....

I think I may be the only one in this thread right now this would really apply to. If I actually am correct about the way that the CB1 receptor works, with releasing dynorphins and then phenethlyamine, and all that stuff, then it's possible (but I'm not giving any guarantee, just throwing it out there) that my legitimately chronic weed smoking may somehow impact my sensitivity to menthol, whatever that might imply. Even ignoring that and sticking to the known facts, it's possible that my experimentation with salvia (both as a hallucinogen and a dream aid) may have impacted my sensitivity as well. Salvia tends to get easier to notice the more often you do it, and that may be helping me notice menthol's effects now. Or it may not... I just can't rule out the possibility.

Well that would support my findings where I got pretty much nothing from my initial experience. Only misuse of legal drugs or usage of illegal drugs I've done was weed at the age of 12. Once and never again. So, my brain is totally unprimed for the menthol experience possibly.

haha, you should have anyone partaking in this, state what their past drug usage has been xD Kidding, that's probably not a good idea. Maybe generalized drug background would be better for most.

Haha, well, we also still don't really know what an effective dose for most would be. It could be something much higher normally.... Tonight's trial should give a little insight.

My drug background... hehe. I used to trip every couple of days, and I've been through a few phases of smoking weed all day every day. >w< That's probably all of the relevant stuff. I haven't tripped in quite a while, though.

Me: I'm just Mr. Sensitive.

I can vouch for the menthol working. I ate 3 cough drops before I went to sleep, and I had 4 very vivid, and memorable dreams. I'll definitely be eating a lot of cough drops. xD

Awesome! Do you know the exact dosage you took? It should tell you how much is in each one somewhere on the package. Also, do you know if they also have eucalyptus oil or soy lecithin in them?

Mint has been proven to help memory up to an average of 28% effiency I just read. Interesting.
On a side: Didn't take menthol yet, did wake with clothes on somehow???

That is interesting. :O I wonder if it's from the menthol itself, or some other chemical constituent? Maybe I should start looking into what else is floating around in that plant....

That is odd though. o.O Hehe, are you a sleepwalker?

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Awesome! Do you know the exact dosage you took? It should tell you how much is in each one somewhere on the package. Also, do you know if they also have eucalyptus oil or soy lecithin in them?

Each cough drop has 9.1 mg of menthol in it. I took 3 of them, so that's 27.3 mg of menthol.

Just like mine. Alright, thanks for the info! That definitely would have given me a dream boost, too. So, these doses I've been using are definitely good for more than just me, but not necessarily everyone. Interesting....

Here's an average article Aromatherapy in action - Peppermint aroma improves memory and concentration
It seems that the increased memory is caused either by the menthol, methone or mentho furan as these have the highest proportions in peppermint. I might try just taking large amounts of peppermint tea instead of just menthol as I'm not sure which ingredients contribute to this memory.
I dont sleep walk but I practise Deild. Lately this week I've had trouble staying awake during the night and I only remember two out of the six times I get up.

Thanks for the link! That's pretty cool, I used to drink peppermint tea on a daily basis but I just kind of dropped the habit. I guess I should get back into it. I wonder if it really is the menthol though? I suppose I know a way that it could contribute those effects in the long-term.... I forgot about menthone though, I wonder if they know much about it? I'll have to do some research!

Ah gotcha, gotcha. I wonder what you ended up doing those times you can't remember?

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

On a side: Didn't take menthol yet, did wake with clothes on somehow???

hahaha

Hi,

Yep, I thought I'd better point out and correct that mistake. Pronto!

The art & that artist are really cool - they must LD themselves?
No, it is great to try and help if I can. I'm quite good at WBTB. It is a very reliable method for me. I tend to be quite methodical in my findings as people can see with my DJ entries.

My background: Probably the only drug I ever really take is Paracetamol. I don't drink hardly any Alcohol nowadays; perhaps only on special occasions, or once a week at most. I have been off the AJ and B6 for over a day or two so there is no undue influence from that regarding any findings, etc. My next WBTB will be hopefully tomorrow morning.

I have got hold of a pack of Honey and Lemon Lockets to try. (10 lozenges per pack.)

Each lozenge contains the following active ingredients:
Menthol 9.7 mg
Eucalyptol 9.2 mg

Other: (Inc. sugar, glucose syrup, honey, glycerol, natural flavourings and citric acid, etc.)
Vitamin C 12.8 mg (per lozenge)
Total Sugars 4.1 g (per lozenge)

I intend to take TWO lozenges on my usual WBTB which will work out at 18.4 mg Menthol. I would probably have to try it a few times to try to get consistent results first.

Regards.

(P.S: The actual warning on my pack states: Overdose of Menthol may case severe stomach upset, feeling or being sick, giddiness, shaking, drowsiness. Adults and Children over 12 years: Do not consume more than 3 packs. Children 7-12: 2 packs. Children 3-6: 1 pack.)

I would probably end up with bad teeth (due to the sugar) firstly rather than the OD itself!

Strange... so your pack of Lockets says you can consume up to 3 packets @ 9.7mg per lozenge, and yet mine says no more than 1 packet @ 15.8mg per lozenge. Psh, that doesn't translate at all... that's equivalently saying 29.1mg of yours to 15.8mg of mine. Wrigley don't have a clue. >_> Unless I've missed something obvious.

Yep, mine are UK ones, by Wrigley. Perhaps they should stick to making chewing gum. (Sorry about the pun.)
Wolfwood my friend; all I can say is you must be on the hard stuff!

(According to Mr Wrigley then I can have 291 mg in 24 hours! And a big dentist bill to boot!)

Originally Posted by RobStar

The art & that artist are really cool - they must LD themselves?

They're definitely up to something.

Originally Posted by RobStar

No, it is great to try and help if I can. I'm quite good at WBTB. It is a very reliable method for me. I tend to be quite methodical in my findings as people can see with my DJ entries.

My background: Probably the only drug I ever really take is Paracetamol. I don't drink hardly any Alcohol nowadays; perhaps only on special occasions, or once a week at most. I have been off the AJ and B6 for over a day or two so there is no undue influence from that regarding any findings, etc. My next WBTB will be hopefully tomorrow morning.

I have got hold of a pack of Honey and Lemon Lockets to try. (10 lozenges per pack.)

Each lozenge contains the following active ingredients:
Menthol 9.7 mg
Eucalyptol 9.2 mg

Other: (Inc. sugar, glucose syrup, honey, glycerol, natural flavourings and citric acid, etc.)
Vitamin C 12.8 mg (per lozenge)
Total Sugars 4.1 g (per lozenge)

I intend to take TWO lozenges on my usual WBTB which will work out at 18.4 mg Menthol. I would probably have to try it a few times to try to get consistent results first.

Regards.

Awesome, I can't wait to hear what you have to say! Hopefully something good!

Originally Posted by RobStar

(P.S: The actual warning on my pack states: Overdose of Menthol may case severe stomach upset, feeling or being sick, giddiness, shaking, drowsiness. Adults and Children over 12 years: Do not consume more than 3 packs. Children 7-12: 2 packs. Children 3-6: 1 pack.)

I would probably end up with bad teeth (due to the sugar) firstly rather than the OD itself!

Thanks for that, I've been hoping to find a good, solid list of symptoms. None of that sounds really too dangerous, definitely not something that couldn't be treated easily if it had to be.... I wouldn't really worry about overdoses since it seems to be pretty safe, but it is always good to know what to look for.