Thread: Menthol as a Dream Enhancer

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Oh my god, you poor dear. It's alright, it's alright... it's over now. You're safe and sound where you belong.

Have you unwittingly revealed your true intentions, Kaomea? Do you really NOT want sex, but just to be served happiness?

Thank you for your support during these difficult times, Aly.

You know what though, I'm beginning to think sex might not be at the center of my universe. Go figure.

I like this crazy thread.

Well, this is weird. I got a lucid again today... and it was possibly thanks to the Negro in two ways, lol. It also helped make me realize that i'm dreaming o.o

Dream Link: My Power Left Me, Sex Attempts Always End Bad - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I'm not sure if the Negro made the dream somewhat weird again... and i also had a regular dream in which i was "playing" with a girl... i rarely have dreams like that, but i had them already, so i can't tell if the menthol is the cause or not.
But it seems really encouraging so far as i got two lucids in a row while taking 3 Negros both days ^^

Originally Posted by Kaomea

Thank you for your support during these difficult times, Aly.

You know what though, I'm beginning to think sex might not be at the center of my universe. Go figure.

I like this crazy thread.

Any time, you know I'm always here for you.

It would seem that menthol has something to give us all, whether we knew that it was exactly what we wanted or not.

Either that or it just likes jerking us around, I'm pretty sure it's one of those two.

Hehe, I like this thread too. I'm very satisfied with our progress thus far.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Well, this is weird. I got a lucid again today... and it was possibly thanks to the Negro in two ways, lol. It also helped make me realize that i'm dreaming o.o

Dream Link: My Power Left Me, Sex Attempts Always End Bad - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I'm not sure if the Negro made the dream somewhat weird again... and i also had a regular dream in which i was "playing" with a girl... i rarely have dreams like that, but i had them already, so i can't tell if the menthol is the cause or not.
But it seems really encouraging so far as i got two lucids in a row while taking 3 Negros both days ^^

Awesome! That's great that you've had that consistency, I hope it keeps up.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Awesome! That's great that you've had that consistency, I hope it keeps up.

I hope so too ^^

Really.. if it works like 4 days in a row, i'd count that as a success I think i only had one week when i was able to get a lucid on 4 days

If it works out well, that means i'll have to keep a pack of Negro at home at all times xD

Originally Posted by littlezoe

I hope so too ^^

Really.. if it works like 4 days in a row, i'd count that as a success I think i only had one week when i was able to get a lucid on 4 days

If it works out well, that means i'll have to keep a pack of Negro at home at all times xD

Ooh, that's a tall order for a budding dream enhancer, but I admire your spunk.

You've inspired me, anyway. I'm actually only up right now because I passed out in front of the computer and happened to wake up at 3 AM, so I'm going to bed again now, and I'm eating three York peppermint patties in the process.



Hopefully I'll have something interesting to report. X) See you in a while!

Ok, I took 2 of the sweets right before bed (like, I was still finishing the second as I lay down) and I must say, I think it did have an effect on me even though I wasn't lucid. I won't post the full dreams, as they're a bit long - you can see them in my DJ though. However;

The last 2 nights (nights taking the sweets - maybe coincidence?) I have had pretty normal dreams, except for both nights featured dreams with a common theme; Some sort of baby animal, and a really vivid (and I mean vivid - shockingly real) sensation when touching the animals. I'm sure freud would have something to say about this. One snippet:

"It is like a water balloon, and very slippery. Eventually I manage to rip one end and the liquid spurts out - it's water like consistency but it is really warm, and soaks everything, including me. There's a mirror just laying on the bed, with a heavy gold guilt frame, and this gets soaked too. My bed sheets are soaked, (they are purple and black silk) but despite all this, I am incredibly happy. I can't stop smiling and watching the water spurt everywhere. The vet kind of laughs, and says 'you'll have trouble sleeping in there tonight.' but I just don't care, I'm delighted. "

I also had trouble falling to sleep at the beginning of the night, and a little bit of nightmarish quality to the first few hours of sleep. However I did also take my usual 100mg of B6, so maybe this kept me more awake? Never happened before though.


3 sweets tonight!!

Originally Posted by isthisit

The last 2 nights (nights taking the sweets - maybe coincidence?) I have had pretty normal dreams, except for both nights featured dreams with a common theme; Some sort of baby animal, and a really vivid (and I mean vivid - shockingly real) sensation when touching the animals. I'm sure freud would have something to say about this. One snippet:

"It is like a water balloon, and very slippery. Eventually I manage to rip one end and the liquid spurts out - it's water like consistency but it is really warm, and soaks everything, including me. There's a mirror just laying on the bed, with a heavy gold guilt frame, and this gets soaked too. My bed sheets are soaked, (they are purple and black silk) but despite all this, I am incredibly happy. I can't stop smiling and watching the water spurt everywhere. The vet kind of laughs, and says 'you'll have trouble sleeping in there tonight.' but I just don't care, I'm delighted. "

I also had trouble falling to sleep at the beginning of the night, and a little bit of nightmarish quality to the first few hours of sleep. However I did also take my usual 100mg of B6, so maybe this kept me more awake? Never happened before though.

I've actually noticed some pretty vivid tactile sensations myself on the nights that I've taken menthol, even in this one I just woke up from that I still need to log. I wonder if they're connected? It'll certainly be interesting to see if the same theme carries over into your next attempt. It seems like menthol can have kind of a running-theme effect, at least from what I've observed so far....

That nightmare thing was weird, but the original post that inspired this was about very large doses of menthol cough drops causing vivid nightmares. Not exactly the same as what you experienced, but possibly related?

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I've actually noticed some pretty vivid tactile sensations myself on the nights that I've taken menthol, even in this one I just woke up from that I still need to log. I wonder if they're connected? It'll certainly be interesting to see if the same theme carries over into your next attempt. It seems like menthol can have kind of a running-theme effect, at least from what I've observed so far....

That nightmare thing was weird, but the original post that inspired this was about very large doses of menthol cough drops causing vivid nightmares. Not exactly the same as what you experienced, but possibly related?

It would be interesting to see if they are connected, normally I only get such vivid sensations if I am lucid. It's definitely a good thing in my opinion. I did read that, I RARELY if ever, have nightmares, so this was weird. It was hard to explain, but I wonder if the B6 mixed with the menthol had this effect? Because B6 does make me more awake. I'm going to try without the B6 tonight.

Originally Posted by isthisit

It would be interesting to see if they are connected, normally I only get such vivid sensations if I am lucid. It's definitely a good thing in my opinion. I did read that, I RARELY if ever, have nightmares, so this was weird. It was hard to explain, but I wonder if the B6 mixed with the menthol had this effect? Because B6 does make me more awake. I'm going to try without the B6 tonight.

Well good luck! It is possible that it would have that effect I suppose, I used to take B6 at night when I really needed to stay awake but I didn't want to drink a lot of caffeine or something. Menthol on its own can actually be relaxing, so without the B6 it may actually help you get to sleep more easily.

Originally Posted by isthisit

Ok, I took 2 of the sweets right before bed (like, I was still finishing the second as I lay down) and I must say, I think it did have an effect on me even though I wasn't lucid. I won't post the full dreams, as they're a bit long - you can see them in my DJ though. However;

The last 2 nights (nights taking the sweets - maybe coincidence?) I have had pretty normal dreams, except for both nights featured dreams with a common theme; Some sort of baby animal, and a really vivid (and I mean vivid - shockingly real) sensation when touching the animals. I'm sure freud would have something to say about this. One snippet:

"It is like a water balloon, and very slippery. Eventually I manage to rip one end and the liquid spurts out - it's water like consistency but it is really warm, and soaks everything, including me. There's a mirror just laying on the bed, with a heavy gold guilt frame, and this gets soaked too. My bed sheets are soaked, (they are purple and black silk) but despite all this, I am incredibly happy. I can't stop smiling and watching the water spurt everywhere. The vet kind of laughs, and says 'you'll have trouble sleeping in there tonight.' but I just don't care, I'm delighted. "

I also had trouble falling to sleep at the beginning of the night, and a little bit of nightmarish quality to the first few hours of sleep. However I did also take my usual 100mg of B6, so maybe this kept me more awake? Never happened before though.


3 sweets tonight!!

Sounds a cool dream if you excuse the pun. I find the tactile dreams quite interesting because whe seemed to be conditioned that it is all about the visuals, then the sounds, etc, especially when recording them. I tend to mainly be a visual person, however I like to try to get the conversations recorded accurately that are picked up in my dreams.
When I was younger I used to love the highly vivid dreams where I could actually 'feel' the heat of the sun on my skin and face. It is one of the most amazing tactile sensations you can feel. I mean I used to be looking at the sky where it was totally blue where I could feel the energy of the sun which made me so happy as I walked around. Even in real life if there ever was a day with a blue sky with a bright overhead sun then to me it seemed to heighten my senses where I felt like breathing it in, even to the point that I just started really tingling, nearly pulsating. A really nice feeling, so often taken for granted in the modern busy world.

Yes the B6 is one heck of a vitamin. 10 mg does for me!

(P.S: I did see the Jakemans in Boots today. Like you say I couldn't see any info regarding the Menthol values either. Now why was I in a Chemist I wonder?)

I did manage a WBTB, but I need to transcribe my scribble onto the computer as of yet, as I had to sort things out this morning, so hang in there folks!


July 10th 2012
(Provisional)

Retired for bed at 12.12 am (Bad stomach - stress)
Woke up (feeling really Groggy) via Alarm at 5.15 am
Back to bed at 5.42 am
WBTB period 27 min

Lozenges x3
Menthol = 29.1 mg

Got some reverie and visuals. I did have a (non-lucid) dream incubation success in regard to my GF's black knickers in my bedroom. (I.e: As in my bed.) Cool!

Originally Posted by RobStar

Now why was I in a Chemist I wonder?)

lol

You mention the heat of the sun in your dreams, I recently had this! I can totally relate, its a great feeling.

Looking forward to reading your entry, Im looking forward to trying this experiment again tonight.

Also, completely random thought but do menthol cigarettes contain any / a lot of menthol? I don't smoke but wondered if anyone else did.

Originally Posted by RobStar

I did manage a WBTB, but I need to transcribe my scribble onto the computer as of yet, as I had to sort things out this morning, so hang in there folks!


July 10th 2012
(Provisional)

Retired for bed at 12.12 am (Bad stomach - stress)
Woke up (feeling really Groggy) via Alarm at 5.15 am
Back to bed at 5.42 am
WBTB period 27 min

Lozenges x3
Menthol = 29.1 mg

Got some reverie and visuals. I did have a (non-lucid) dream incubation success in regard to my GF's black knickers in my bedroom. (I.e: As in my bed.) Cool!

I'll be waiting. That last bit sounds like it'll be an interesting read.

Originally Posted by isthisit

Also, completely random thought but do menthol cigarettes contain any / a lot of menthol? I don't smoke but wondered if anyone else did.

They do actually contain menthol, yes lol. However, I'm not going to recommend them as a viable option. Not just because they're cigarettes, but even to anyone who smokes. It is likely that no dream effects from the menthol will be felt, for the same reason that smoking cigarettes in general doesn't really effect your dreams, but nicotine patches can make them insanely intense. The half-life is simply too short, and smoking it will only significantly shorten it, while at the same time dramatically lowering the dose required to see annoying side effects (not to mention you have to take in a good amount of nicotine at the same time). I would just leave them out of consideration, personally. However, it is possible (if not probable) that they would still effect your tolerance to menthol for use as a dream enhancer, so for anyone interested in them, I would keep that in mind.

Yep, I took 29.1 mg Menthol via 3 Honey and Lem lozenges at WBTB this morning.

Ex workmates, a CD, and a pair of black knickers - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I am pleased with the incubation experiment I carried out. It seemed to work too well, as in literally, as in exactly the same location.

Originally Posted by RobStar

Yep, I took 29.1 mg Menthol via 3 Honey and Lem lozenges at WBTB this morning.

Ex workmates, a CD, and a pair of black knickers - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I am pleased with the incubation experiment I carried out. It seemed to work too well, as in literally, as in exactly the same location.

Hmmm, maybe I should give some incubation a shot as well. It does give me pretty good visualization skills, after all.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Hmmm, maybe I should give some incubation a shot as well. It does give me pretty good visualization skills, after all.

I do think incubation works well at WBTB due to the power of suggestion, especially with something with emotional attachment. (A bit like MILD, I suppose?) I'm pretty convinced that I could do that sort of thing with say photo's, or jewellery under your pillow, etc. for example my parents, (that's a long story!) or indeed anything. Good luck!

You mention about half-life and residual amounts, (in regard to Menthol) which could be interesting for someone (me?) who could perhaps 'tweak' their (WBTB) bed technique. Do you roughly know how long it takes to get in the bloodstream and how long the substance takes to become 'active' via the stomach (or metabolize, if that is the correct term as I am getting out of depth!) I presume it obviously crosses the blood/brain barrier quite easily, etc.

P.S: How did you get on with the Pepper Paddy's Patties?

Originally Posted by RobStar

I do think incubation works well at WBTB due to the power of suggestion, especially with something with emotional attachment. (A bit like MILD, I suppose?) I'm pretty convinced that I could do that sort of thing with say photo's, or jewellery under your pillow, etc. for example my parents, (that's a long story!) or indeed anything. Good luck!

Interesting. I may have to try this pillow method, then! And thanks!

Originally Posted by RobStar

You mention about half-life and residual amounts, (in regard to Menthol) which could be interesting for someone (me?) who could perhaps 'tweak' their (WBTB) bed technique. Do you roughly know how long it takes to get in the bloodstream and how long the substance takes to become 'active' via the stomach (or metabolize, if that is the correct term as I am getting out of depth!) I presume it obviously crosses the blood/brain barrier quite easily, etc.

I'm not sure exactly how long it takes to kick in, but I can cite the fact that Kaomea noticed a relaxant effect roughly an hour after dosing. Perhaps that's a good sign to go off of? Half an hour to an hour is generally a safe bet for this kind of thing, anyway. (Not always, but generally.) From a little research I've just done as well, it seems like it should cross the BBB easily enough. When exactly do you take your cough drops before going to sleep, again? If you aren't already, I might suggest taking them right when you first get up for your WBTB, rather than as you're going to sleep, and see if it effects anything differently. Or even the other way around, if you already do it that way.

Originally Posted by RobStar

P.S: How did you get on with the Pepper Paddy's Patties?

I'll be posting that in a few minutes.

Experience Template

Alright, so by request I've decided to set up a template for us to post our experiences with, which I made by tweaking the one Kaomea has been using. This is not a requirement, but it would be very much appreciated if you used it from now on. It would make it much easier to scroll back through previous pages and compare data, as well as provide an easy layout for getting all the new information we need out. This is the template itself, for quick access:

PHP Code:

[B]Dose:[/B]
[B]Side Effects:[/B]
[B]Sleep Duration:[/B]
[B]WBTB:[/B]
[B]Lucid:[/B]
[B]Vividness:[/B]
[B]Stability:[/B]
[B]Dream Comments:[/B] 


And here's what should be in each category:

Dose: xx mg Cough Drops, xx cups Peppermint Tea, xx Candies, etc.
Side Effects: Stomach pains, sedation or insomnia, strange mental effects, etc.
Sleep Duration: How long you were asleep for, if you tracked it.
WBTB: Yes/No.
Lucid: Yes/No.
Vividness: Low, typical, high, etc.
Stability: Low, typical, high, etc.
Dream Comments: If you noticed any recurring themes, sexual effects, nightmarish elements, tolerance build-up, or just anything else worth saying, put it here. Feel free to link to your DJ or post your dreams here as well.

----------

As an example, here's my log from last night:

Dose: 3 York Peppermint Patties.
Side Effects: Possibly insomnia, but that may have been natural.
Sleep Duration: Roughly 3.5-4 hours after dosing.
WBTB: Yes, technically (it wasn't intentional).
Lucid: No.
Vividness: Above average.
Stability: Typical.
Dream Comments: The biggest thing I'd have to say about this night was that there were still sexual effects, like every other time I've used menthol so far. This seems to be a pretty consistent effect for me. Unfortunately I didn't get lucid this time, but eh. Still interesting. This was what I got for the night:

DJ Entry - Temporary Apartment, Make Yourself At Home

Supplement Dose: 3 York Peppermint Patties

#1 - Temporary Apartment [Non-Lucid]

This dream is sort of hard to remember because I was distracted for most of it, but I was at some new apartment with my parents that I think we were moving into, but only temporarily. We might have just been staying there for a bit, but it was only us (i.e., we weren't staying with someone). I remember that my mom was looking for my cat to feed him, and he was eventually found to be hiding under the coffee table in the living room, and I was kind of narrating this all to myself and making a log of it in my phone. I think I was also posting on DV somehow, but then I woke up, really horny for *cough* some reason.

#2 - Make Yourself At Home [Non-Lucid]

I was staying in some pretty big house, housesitting for the owners. My libido was running pretty strong in this dream. There were two dogs there that I was supposed to be looking after but I needed to get them out of the way, so I put them in the laundry room or something and closed the door, then spontaneously decided to masturbate on the kitchen floor. o.o I decided to have the lights off for it, but I think turning them off caused the dream to skip forward to the next scene. I vaguely remember the blackness and feeling myself on the floor for a second, but then my memory picks up again later where I had apparently invited J to come over and hang out with me there. While I was talking to him about something I had the random urge to look down at what I was wearing. If I remember correctly, I had on what appeared to be a small, fancy black dress skirt paired with a totally ordinary orange t-shirt. For some reason, this only increased my horniness. (I think it was the skirt that did it. >w<) Somehow, around this time the plot changed to be so that there was a family party going on at this house, which also contained a buffet restaurant in it now. I sampled a ton of different food which I felt and tasted completely, it was all pretty delicious, except for some guacamole at the end which is unfortunately the only one I vividly remember. X) I recall my cousin AB asking me about it, and I told her it wasn't very fresh anymore. Before that too, at some point, I was talking to my grandma about different foods I was looking for, and she told me to try to find some sausage but I told her I'd rather get some bacon. (Oh man, that would be great right about now....) Shortly after the guacamole thing, though, I woke up.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Interesting. I may have to try this pillow method, then! And thanks!



I'm not sure exactly how long it takes to kick in, but I can cite the fact that Kaomea noticed a relaxant effect roughly an hour after dosing. Perhaps that's a good sign to go off of? Half an hour to an hour is generally a safe bet for this kind of thing, anyway. (Not always, but generally.) From a little research I've just done as well, it seems like it should cross the BBB easily enough. When exactly do you take your cough drops before going to sleep, again? If you aren't already, I might suggest taking them right when you first get up for your WBTB, rather than as you're going to sleep, and see if it effects anything differently. Or even the other way around, if you already do it that way.



I'll be posting that in a second.

No Prob's, hope it helps. Thanks for the info. by the way.
I take them just after I wake (5.15 am) basically as the wbtb period starts. So I take about 3 across the whole (20 - 25 min) wbtb period, then retire or bed about 5.43 ish.

Yep, hail to the god of patties! (We wait for the solar eclipse to start.)

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Experience Template

Alright, so by request I've decided to set up a template for us to post our experiences with, which I made by tweaking the one Kaomea has been using. This is not a requirement, but it would be very much appreciated if you used it from now on. It would make it much easier to scroll back through previous pages and compare data, as well as provide an easy layout for getting all the new information we need out. This is the template itself, for quick access:

PHP Code:

[B]Dose:[/B]
[B]Side Effects:[/B]
[B]Sleep Duration:[/B]
[B]WBTB:[/B]
[B]Lucid:[/B]
[B]Vividness:[/B]
[B]Stability:[/B]
[B]Dream Comments:[/B] 


Excellent, I'll start using the template, thanks! One question though, how do I post links to my dream journal entry? like you have done?

Originally Posted by RobStar

No Prob's, hope it helps. Thanks for the info. by the way.
I take them just after I wake (5.15 am) basically as the wbtb period starts. So I take about 3 across the whole (20 - 25 min) wbtb period, then retire or bed about 5.43 ish.

Yep, hail to the god of patties! (We wait for the solar eclipse to start.)

Ah gotcha, so that is a good coverage. How long do you normally stay asleep for with your WBTBs? Maybe you'd get a bit of a stronger effect if you dosed all at once.

Originally Posted by isthisit

Excellent, I'll start using the template, thanks! One question though, how do I post links to my dream journal entry? like you have done?

Awesome, thanks! Just click the 'Insert Link' button (the globe with a little chain link) when you're making a post. I just grab the URL from my DJ whenever I post it, then type out "DJ Entry - " and copy and paste the name.

I like that template Althrough other than the dream contents i didn't notice anything extraordinary... but i'll be sure to use it tomorrow

Originally Posted by littlezoe

I like that template Althrough other than the dream contents i didn't notice anything extraordinary... but i'll be sure to use it tomorrow

Thanks! It'll be very helpful.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Ah gotcha, so that is a good coverage. How long do you normally stay asleep for with your WBTBs? Maybe you'd get a bit of a stronger effect if you dosed all at once.

The sweets take a while to digest/masticate (yes as in chewing! ) so taking them quickly is difficult unless I crush them or something beforehand.

Typical sleep period after WBTB = 2.5 to 3.25 hrs (Quality varies. Broken sleep, etc.)

P.S: I will use the template from now on & try to compile my previous results as well. (I will have to add dates with those however.)
Cool dreams by the way!

Wait. So you guys are chewing sweets when you wake up for a WBTB? Or you consume them before you sleep? Or both?

at the increase of sexual dreams.