Thread: The Creation of a New Lucid Technique: Closed Eye Hallucination while awake.

SWEET I've been looking for an active member who can do this!!! Mylynes, his friend who came on later in the forum, and WakingNomad are all either inactive or busy with other things. Please teach me all you know about this. Actually, can we PM?

The farthest I have reached with eyes open is kind of searing colored lines onto my vision. I can rarely keep more than 1-4 at once though, a lot of times only 1. With eyes closed I can make full shapes but it takes immense concentration and they are all blobby and I can't control them very well. Of course I have never actually meditated to do this, I don't think I've ever practiced for more than 10 minutes straight. I usually just do it in school when I get bored or randomly at times for like 1-5 minutes. Oh also I forgot to add, I can't usually control colors at all. I have only managed color changes a few times.

Originally Posted by gleixer

And as a tip. If you want to control touch and feeling, look into how the body vibrates when people try to wild.....yet they never actually move. If you can have this happen to you.....try to control it then reproduce it.

I did some oobe and i had vibratory state, but how to use it, induce it on day, conscious state?
Is it possible to reach this state while fully conscious?


BTW what helped me to get some nice visuals is to imagine that my eyelids are transparent.
Now i dont need that and sometimes i just close my eyes and allow my mind to create some movie or scene for me, sometimes it is funny, sometimes entertainment, i dont control it, sometimes i try for example to change waterfall water to red but it doesnt happen. Only after it doesnt happen then it does happen, when i dont want it to change anymore.
It is smth similar to win wenger image streaming which i tried few years ago but better, more surprising, i see full objects, full shapes like in normal world, only problem is to see peoples. And those objects are transforming very fast into other objects or just changing shapes. Sometimes scenery is made on prevous scenery and sometimes its completely different, like jump into another scene. I sometimes use it when i want to go to sleep fast, but i never used it to induce oobe, wild, ap or ld.
But it would be amazing to induce ld in real conscious state like i am in work for example.

Originally Posted by lonewolf101

I see. I was planning on working with sight first, but I know exactly what you mean. I would always reach the vibratory state after about an hour of meditation. Thing with me is, after that , I would get nervous and my heart start beating fast, ejecting out of that state.

what type of meditation, are you doing it by focusing on something or by emptying mind, having exactly 0 thoughts, or mindfulness type?

Originally Posted by Avian

I am also practicing AVC and I have reached somewhere between 2-3. I get a lot of movement and can even control it and make blobby shapes, but I don't get tunnel vision so often, although I am sure I could if I tried. Anyways, I have a bit of information that might help with your experiment. I noticed that closed-eye-hallucinations are very much more pronounced after a good cardio workout. I biked 3 miles at an average speed of about 15-20 mph and when I got back there were many different colors and shapes dancing around in my eyes (closed). A short (or long if you are in pretty good shape) and intense workout really calms the mind and appears to boost AVC for a small amount of time.

Thanks pal! as we speak, I plan on running for about an hour because of you!

Originally Posted by Gaea

I'm not sure but I am able to get to level 4 in seconds (with my eyes open)
I'm sure its a hallucination, but I get to control it.... It's weird
I call this Lucid Daydream or Astral Projection? (idk much of what it is yet)
I'm not sure if I'm dreaming or not...it's basically visualizing at a complex level
and yet I'm still trying to accomplish lucid dreams....
I'm basically like Mylynes.....
...
but it's cool, and I think I got my first controlled hallucination when I was 10 (I'm 14 right now)

Hey pal, we need to chat. I'll email later on today.

Originally Posted by kartogon

what type of meditation, are you doing it by focusing on something or by emptying mind, having exactly 0 thoughts, or mindfulness type?

First i would wear an eye mask and get rid of visual stimuli.

The type of meditation would just be me counting from 1 to 100 and than back to 1. So I'd inhale a number, and exhale a number. So the technique would be focusing. As soon as i forgot which number i'm on, I'd start over.
If that doesn't happen, and i successfully count from 1-100 and back to 1, i will just become aware. Not outwardly, but inward. I would be aware of my thoughts and feelings. Soon, a story starts forming and i catch myself becoming a part of it (forming into a dream) as soon as i gain awareness a few times, vibrations starts.

Originally Posted by Gaea

I'm not sure but I am able to get to level 4 in seconds (with my eyes open)
I'm sure its a hallucination, but I get to control it.... It's weird
I call this Lucid Daydream or Astral Projection? (idk much of what it is yet)
I'm not sure if I'm dreaming or not...it's basically visualizing at a complex level
and yet I'm still trying to accomplish lucid dreams....
I'm basically like Mylynes.....
...
but it's cool, and I think I got my first controlled hallucination when I was 10 (I'm 14 right now)

Ok, please tell me answer to this questions:
1.How is the nature of your hallucinated images, where exactly do you them, with open eyes, in front of you - how long, what distance?
2.While you see imagined pictures and shapes, where are your eyes focused? Are they focused into distance, into closeness, crossed?
3.Can you fully control this shapes?
4.Are you in some sort of trance while doing this? For example if radio or tv is on, do you hear what it says or you are so focused on this images that everything else cease to exist?
5.Can you induce them while walking?
6.Can you induce them in daylight or only in night time or when there is no light?

thanks.

Originally Posted by kartogon

Ok, please tell me answer to this questions:
1.How is the nature of your hallucinated images, where exactly do you them, with open eyes, in front of you - how long, what distance?
2.While you see imagined pictures and shapes, where are your eyes focused? Are they focused into distance, into closeness, crossed?
3.Can you fully control this shapes?
4.Are you in some sort of trance while doing this? For example if radio or tv is on, do you hear what it says or you are so focused on this images that everything else cease to exist?
5.Can you induce them while walking?
6.Can you induce them in daylight or only in night time or when there is no light?

thanks.

1. I can do them ANYWHERE closed or open, and I can move out of my body, too ( don't usually do this )
2. I can do them focused, closed, open, crossed (I don't like this way), and more [I can control what I see]
3. I can do ANYTHING (basically full control of 5 senses)
4. Well, sometimes when I'm bored I stick to reality and this state, or I can completely go into that state.
5. Yes, because most of the time I'm bored while walking [I also stick to reality, too. Because I might get in a dangerous situation or something <It's like seeing two things at once!>]
6. Anywhere

I am trying shared controlled-hallucinations (CH) with lonewolf101
I will try to make lonewolf101 lucid....I hope it will work

I will post results later

Originally Posted by Gaea

1. I can do them ANYWHERE closed or open, and I can move out of my body, too ( don't usually do this )
2. I can do them focused, closed, open, crossed (I don't like this way), and more [I can control what I see]
3. I can do ANYTHING (basically full control of 5 senses)
4. Well, sometimes when I'm bored I stick to reality and this state, or I can completely go into that state.
5. Yes, because most of the time I'm bored while walking [I also stick to reality, too. Because I might get in a dangerous situation or something <It's like seeing two things at once!>]
6. Anywhere

I want to learn to do the same thing as you.
Any tips?

Currently in light, day mode i can only sometimes see something as visual snow, small moving,vibrating particles smth like dots, some sort of fabric or like grid, only when i am calm and relaxed.

Well, I don't really have any tips because I developed it naturally

-Ask lonewolf101 (expert)
-Relax.
-Visualize
-Pretend you're watching a movie but controlling the events

You should ask lonewolf101 and try his methods! Good Luck!
I'm off to my shared controlled hallucination / shared dream with lonewolf101 right now! He's at his vivid dream state, and I will try to make him lucid. Good Luck with the AVC!

Did it work Gaea?

Hey..Was really exited to see this thread. I basically don't know anything about these things before a month ago . One night I was in a really relaxed state and I could see images , I knew I was awake and it was not lucid dreaming. I basically have been seeing different images whenever I am about to sleep. Now I can see different people, Read sentences also I can change the images like i can change a tree to a girl etc. I don't know if anyone else have some tips of what else I could do . I am now able to see these images and control them in almost every two days.

With melatonin last night i was able to get some stage 4 stuff going (without WBTB, this was when i got into bed.)
I could see myself going through a tunnel, then i felt myself moving sideways (as if sitting on the back of a bus where the seats are sideways). I got a little excited about it a few times so these occurrences didn't last long. I'll keep at this, i made a DIY sleep mask that allows my eyes to be open. I felt my whole body relaxing incredibly fast, i was rather surprised. Unfortunately i got a few texts and this woke my body back up. So that was frustrating. I'm gonna keep at it, i'm feeling pretty good about this technique. c:

I keep getting distracted each night and falling asleep. I will get into WBTB again and see if i can get any results this way.

I can easily within a minute deeply relax to start seeing level 4 hallucinations. I 'suggest' a word or number to my subconscious, and I see it, but with a surreal or humorous twist!