Thanks! I had not considered that "verbal" anchors could be killing my WILDs by preventing getting close enough to sleep. And I *keep forgetting* the lotus visualization...must continue it. |
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Body scan until I'm completely relaxed and starting to get hypnagogia, then switch to dot or lotus visualisation |
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Last edited by Ctharlhie; 03-17-2015 at 04:55 AM.
My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Thanks! I had not considered that "verbal" anchors could be killing my WILDs by preventing getting close enough to sleep. And I *keep forgetting* the lotus visualization...must continue it. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
You're basically there! Just switch to lotus visualisation and maintain state once you reach that lead blanket stage. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
I don't very often reach that stage unfortunately. But I need to put more effort on WILD attempts. Tried last night after WBTB with 300mg Alpha-GPC at 5 hrs but couldn't fall asleep: wife also with insomnia was just too noisy and making too many movements. I was on the edge of sleep but jerked back about 4 times. So I gave up and got up after 3 hrs of trying. I did sleep again after breakfast for about an hour or so and had vivid but short and strange dreams, which were at least not boring. Very "dream-like" in fact. Lots of close-up examinations of strange objects. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I've started to find that a more effective way of thinking about WILD (for me), is to actually drop the notion of an anchor altogether and actually allow myself to lose consciousness completely. What tends to happen is that the effort to WILD before losing consciousness actually makes it quite likely that I will become lucid in the following dream, even if that lucidity is *technically* now a DILD. |
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Last edited by cmind; 03-17-2015 at 11:35 PM.
^^it's still good to point out; I find I can do this much more easily late morning (after 7 hrs sleep). Before that, not likely. But if you can't lucidly cross the barrier, "giving up" is sometimes a great option. |
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Stephen LaBerge's tips for MILD: (http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-expe...ml#post2160952
^^ Especially if giving up results in a DILD. |
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I've also found that melatonin (3+ mg) helps me WILD/DEILD--I think it has to do with the shortened NREM period due to REM rebound. Something to try, at any rate. |
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Stephen LaBerge's tips for MILD: (http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-expe...ml#post2160952
^^ Your point? |
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^^ Exactly. The OP is active, so should not be a problem. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
^^ You're welcome. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
If you're struggling with lotus visualisation, try just a red dot or "A" first: take your finger and push firmly but lightly into the slight hollow where your throat meets your collar bone. Where you feel that pressure, imagine a red lotus flower. Repeat without the help of touch. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Holy.Fucking.Shit. You sir, are a fucking genius. After reading this thread (as well as the other two included) a lightbulb finally went off. Despite what people have said, I have been trying to WILD with no prior sleep whatsoever, with me of course thinking "oh yeah, I don't mind. I can try to wait out that 30-60-90 minutes. Big fucking deal right?" WRONG. I finally realized that this will NEVER work. I have honestly no fucking clue why this never clicked in my head. Thank you, I am going to try this tonight. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I don't see any examples of this. It is certainly not widespread. Can you provide quotes? You're making it out to be an endemic and I have never, not once that I recall, seen people being shouted down for recommending not doing WILDs on no prior sleep. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
OK, well, there certainly are people with all sort of points of view. But if you take something like Sageous's WILD class, and this tread, you'll get good solid advice. The majority of all WILD advice on DV includes prior sleep, at least in my time here on DV (2+ years) so I was surprised to see this claim. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
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