How to have an Instant WILD

**mcwillis** · 12-03-2010 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Alright, thanks. Also, (and just let me know if this is in the book) but how do you lucid dream instead of OBE using these techniques?

Just to recap the info is below. With regards to lucids its down to lady luck until you gather plenty of experience. Mr. Raduga says you can have them often.

Page 44 from the workbook, 'The Ultmiate Yoga...'

"Another widespread problem is incomplete performance of the techniques. No less than 75% of practitioners who are learning using my techniques suffer from this. It's interesting to note that 75% of them do so deliberately. Friend, you'll see later on that you need not perform superhuman feats in order to achieve the phase state. As far as the indirect techniques are concerned, you just need perform a simple algorithm of actions upon awakening. Just complete everything that you are required to do in full. And perform everything just as it is described.
Let's observe a few examples of incomplete performance of the techniques. We'll start with cycles of indirect techniques - the one universal phase entrance technique-based technology. It entails the completion, upon awakening, of no less than 4 cycles of techniques for a total of 9-15 seconds each, until a technique works. For some reason, many think that the proscribed minimum of 4 cycles does not apply to them. And so they do 1 or 2 cycles.... Like the time at one of my seminars when two men of about the same age sat next to each-other, both in the neighborhood of 45 years old. This was the second session, and they spoke about what they had been doing, and how things were going for them. The first man said that he had started by doing 2 cycles during one attempt, but then seeing as nothing was working, he decided to stop right there, even though I had said the previous afternoon to do 4 cycles. I had repeated it again and again... The second gentleman had also started by doing two cycles and nothing worked for him either. But he then started to do a third cycle, just like I had said to do. Then, one of the techniques worked like a charm during the fourth cycle, and he was able to leave his body. However, if he had done everything like his neighbor in the classroom, then nothing would have happened for him either... I have introduced this example only because I remember it quite well, as two people sitting next to one another sharply contrasted in their approach to what they were told to do.
People also very often forget when performing indirect techniques to first try to separate, and only then do cycles. With direct techniques, people also tend to forget about the free-floating state of mind, though without it there's no point in expecting anything, as I always point out early on.
Sometimes incomplete performance of techniques happens not because of a person's psychology, but out of an inability to complete a task. For example, with indirect techniques, it's very important to awaken without moving. Many are simply unable to keep themselves from moving. However, achieving this only requires practice. Not only that, but many also forget that if they wake up to their body moving, then they should nevertheless still make an attempt at separation. Sure, their odds are lower than usual, but are still quite high.
By and far, we could go on forever about the different ways in which people fail to fully perform techniques. I only wanted to tell you, friend, to try to fully implement all of the techniques. Each sentence and every word in the sections on techniques has been vetted by years of classroom instruction and has much more weight than a cursory glance would imply.
You see, in taking this book into your hands, you may mistakenly assume it be yet another work on some-odd occult or esoteric practice, in which everything is vaguely described and the majority of details are literally left up to the reader. Do not take such an approach to this book under any circumstances. Everything here is already well known, there's no reason to shroud this practice in a cloud of secrecy. You have clear instructions right here in front of you. Just follow them."

**Sarge_Maximus2** · 12-04-2010 01:11 AM

Well thank you. It's not that I'm not trying to though, it's that I fall asleep mid-way. Anyhow, I can only assume it's because I'm, tired from work and should therefore try it on the weekend, which is now. I'll do as it says and let you know what happens.

**mcwillis** · 12-04-2010 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Well thank you. It's not that I'm not trying to though, it's that I fall asleep mid-way. Anyhow, I can only assume it's because I'm, tired from work and should therefore try it on the weekend, which is now. I'll do as it says and let you know what happens.

I intend to improve so that I can have several lucids each week in the morning and also at the end or REM periods at night too. I had the same problem when I started as I fell asleep before completing one cycle of four or five techniques. I had to force myself to be more aggresive and overcome the sneaky desire to go back to sleep again.

**Sarge_Maximus2** · 12-04-2010 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I intend to improve so that I can have several lucids each week in the morning and also at the end or REM periods at night too. I had the same problem when I started as I fell asleep before completing one cycle of four or five techniques. I had to force myself to be more aggresive and overcome the sneaky desire to go back to sleep again.

A wise policy lol, and good idea, your goals and mine are quite similar, I also want to explore OBE's to see if they are real and how real they are as well.

**Raspberry** · 12-04-2010 10:16 PM

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**mcwillis** · 12-04-2010 10:19 PM

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What does that mean please?

**Raspberry** · 12-04-2010 10:25 PM

Oh, I just making a post to subscribe to the thread

To stick it in my control panel.

I got the ebook, but it seems to have disappeared from my files so I'm getting it again. I haven't read it all, or understood all that I've read, but as you said: I'll need to study it more.

**Sarge_Maximus2** · 12-05-2010 12:20 AM

So no luck this morning, but I stayed up late again. I had non-stop dreams though and they wouldn't stop even when I was groggily awake. I gave up after falling alseep and waking up again three times within 30 minutes. I must have been disturbed with something because that was an odd bit of lousy sleep. Will try again tonight.

**vmenge** · 12-05-2010 04:05 PM

Unfortunately I'm having some serious troubles getting myself to wake up without moving. By the time I remember myself I wasn't suppose to move, I've already screwed up considerably.
I usually go to sleep telling myself to not move once I wake up, should I be doing this during the day to? Any tips?

**mcwillis** · 12-05-2010 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by vmenge

Unfortunately I'm having some serious troubles getting myself to wake up without moving. By the time I remember myself I wasn't suppose to move, I've already screwed up considerably.
I usually go to sleep telling myself to not move once I wake up, should I be doing this during the day to? Any tips?

Keep at it, it will work. I find it very easy when napping in the day but a little harder after WBTB. My auto-suggestion is this, "When I wake up I will remain perfectly still and practice Indirect Techniques"

**mcwillis** · 12-05-2010 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by vmenge

Unfortunately I'm having some serious troubles getting myself to wake up without moving. By the time I remember myself I wasn't suppose to move, I've already screwed up considerably.
I usually go to sleep telling myself to not move once I wake up, should I be doing this during the day to? Any tips?

Keep at it, it will work. I find it very easy when napping in the day but a little harder after WBTB. My auto-suggestion is this, "When I wake up I will remain perfectly still and practice Indirect Techniques"

**Phantasos** · 12-05-2010 06:18 PM

Ok, I will comment something about Michael Raduga's "School of Out-of-Body Travel. A Practical Guidebook". It must be said that the author is well-known in Russian LD scene. The book is indeed very good because it is very oriented on practical results. It contains very good systematization of known methods and algoritmization of how to have LD (mainly WILDs). The key part is "Indirect techs" which tells how to have easy (W/DE)ILD immediately after awakening or within few minutes time frame. The idea is that there is an algorithm which make it possible to have LDs much more frequently. I will not say it is a Holy Grail but imo it is the best textbook on the subject.

The minor downside is that the author invented new terms though it has some background reasons.

**LawPaw** · 12-08-2010 07:07 AM

I feel like Raduga's method is the best method. I think I would have much better success if I had just stuck with his method instead of pursuing other methods on this site.

So far I've only had one "Phase" or LD that has lasted more than a few seconds. It was using Raduga's method after returning to it after doing some other things.

My biggest problem seems to be getting out of my body fully. I have never had any problem waking without moving and can fairly easily transition into a tingly SP with a good volume of internal sound from "listening in." I never get significant images when trying to observe images.

Anyway, when I get to a very tingly SP with volume from listening in, at times I can move an arm or leg, but have problems separating completely. Once when phantom wiggling my fingers down at waist level I felt them on my face. I had phantom moved my arm down, but my real fingers were moving with my phantom fingers on my face. The freaky thing was that I had absolutely no feeling of my real arm, so it felt like someone else touching my face until I freaked out enough to fully wake up.

I can roll around to the point where I feel like my body is upside down or upright, but can't seem to get out of my body.

In my one long LD, I didn't even really get out. I was just suddenly at the foot of my bed completely blind and numb after listening in intensely. It took a great deal of rubbing my hands together to get any feeling in my body then vision. After that I was so shocked by the realism that I just sort of walked around and stared until my lack of activity made me fall asleep.

**MikeMk** · 12-10-2010 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by vmenge

Unfortunately I'm having some serious troubles getting myself to wake up without moving. By the time I remember myself I wasn't suppose to move, I've already screwed up considerably.
I usually go to sleep telling myself to not move once I wake up, should I be doing this during the day to? Any tips?

Raduga says it is not a problem:

However, if an awakening is conscious, but with movement, that does not mean that the practitioner cannot immediately make an attempt to fall into the phase. Such attempts, although they will be about 5 times less effective than usual, should nevertheless be made Any opportunity to practice while waking should not be wasted. It must only be kept in mind that one must first neutralize the effects of the movement in order to once again fall into an intermediate state. In the case of movement, it is extremely helpful to begin practice with forced falling asleep. Listening in also works well, as does observing images and phantom wiggling, each performed passively for 5-15 seconds, instead of the standard duration of 3 to 5 seconds. After performing these, cycling may begin.

**iFatal** · 12-11-2010 06:57 AM

I am reading the book and it's pretty interesting but could you please explain what and OBE is? I know it stands for "Out of body experience" but I don't see how and OBE is any different from a False Awakening.

**moongrass** · 12-12-2010 02:42 AM

It is like lucid dream but without a dream body, not really like a FA at all.

**LawPaw** · 12-12-2010 08:45 AM

It is a lucid dream. He believes the lucid dreams, OBE's, ect. are all a "Phase State."

He uses the term OBE so often because his method typically involves getting "out of your body" from an awake state (entering a lucid dream from an awake state or WILD). Some of his methods will put you into a lucid dream in a location other than where you perceive you body (observing images), but most involve separating from you body. It is easy to perceive this as an OBE.

**halfer** · 12-12-2010 04:39 PM

I thought this is complete b******* and just a poor commercial but it seems I was wrong. Even if it is, it works.
I read somewhat around 30 pages and found out about phantom wiggling. I went to bed WITHOUT sleeping before and tried to do it lying on my back. Then I got into sleep paralysis (well, not really). I felt what I usually feel. Vibration in all body, loud noises in my head (I actually heard my dad watching a movie through 2 big rooms) and heard a loud woman's voice whispering something about "coming with her" (yea, that's weird

). But I think I could move (though I didn't try to)
But the thing is, i got tired of lying still and just went to sleep. I woke up 2.5 hours after that (3:30 am) and THEN I had a Lucid Dream. It was the best of 4 I have already had (I even ate a flying pill but that didn't work

). I woke up at 7:40 am and the wake itself was pretty unique. It's like I didn't sleep at all, just daydreamed the whole thing.
Anyway, thanks for creating this thread, the book is totally worth a read (though I'm reading the original, Russian version)

EDIT: Wow, I have just thought about one thing. When I got to sleep, breaking the SP i woke up after 2.5 hours, but the thing is, I don't remember looking at the time. Maybe that was false awakening?

**halfer** · 12-12-2010 09:11 PM

I've got a question mcwillis. You said you almost immediately got into the dream after wiggling. After getting there did you understand that you're dreaming? Or you had to do a reality check?

**mcwillis** · 12-13-2010 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by halfer

I thought this is complete b******* and just a poor commercial but it seems I was wrong. Even if it is, it works.
I read somewhat around 30 pages and found out about phantom wiggling. I went to bed WITHOUT sleeping before and tried to do it lying on my back. Then I got into sleep paralysis (well, not really). I felt what I usually feel. Vibration in all body, loud noises in my head (I actually heard my dad watching a movie through 2 big rooms) and heard a loud woman's voice whispering something about "coming with her" (yea, that's weird

). But I think I could move (though I didn't try to)
But the thing is, i got tired of lying still and just went to sleep. I woke up 2.5 hours after that (3:30 am) and THEN I had a Lucid Dream. It was the best of 4 I have already had (I even ate a flying pill but that didn't work

). I woke up at 7:40 am and the wake itself was pretty unique. It's like I didn't sleep at all, just daydreamed the whole thing.
Anyway, thanks for creating this thread, the book is totally worth a read (though I'm reading the original, Russian version)

EDIT: Wow, I have just thought about one thing. When I got to sleep, breaking the SP i woke up after 2.5 hours, but the thing is, I don't remember looking at the time. Maybe that was false awakening?

**mcwillis** · 12-13-2010 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by halfer

I've got a question mcwillis. You said you almost immediately got into the dream after wiggling. After getting there did you understand that you're dreaming? Or you had to do a reality check?

I was laying there going through the Indirect Techniques that I had chosen and after about fifteen seconds, as described in the first post, I saw a pool of purplish water in the darkness of my closed eyelids and I thought that is a particularly clear, vivid memory impression. Then suddenly I was fully immersed in the lucid dream.

**mcwillis** · 12-13-2010 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by moongrass

It is like lucid dream but without a dream body, not really like a FA at all.

The only problem with an OBE sometimes is that you don't have the omnipotent powers that you can have in a lucid, which is why I favour having lucids.

**Sarge_Maximus2** · 12-14-2010 05:13 AM

Ok, I have a question again. It seems some are having success, and others, like me, still struggle, so I hope you don't mind my blunt inquiries. However, the last weekend I successfully cycled through four complete indirect technique cycles (three indirect techniques per cycle). I, however, had no results whatsoever. I feel that counting for the 15 seconds (because I move constantly whenever I try to practice these techniques, in anticipation I can only guess) kept me distracted from the matter at hand. Also, I had the strongest results with the "listening in" technique, as the sound became quite loud, but then plateaued and went no further. I don't understand what went wrong. I had the 6 hours of sleep before-hand and I cycled the 3 techniques 4 times.
Also, once I fell back asleep and re-awoke, I tried a regular WILD attempt and began to feel "drugged" and "out of my mind" when I saw what I perceived to be a Hypnogognic Hallucination, so I drifted toward it and focused on it intently, but it was actually the wall, and my eyes were actually open, which brought me full-circle back to an awakened state ( I know it was not a dream because I did several reality checks). I'm now reading the book for further directions on how exactly to separate and what is to be done if a particular technique is working, or seeming to, but what I ask is what I did wrong in that latest attempt according to your opinion. Thanks.

**mcwillis** · 12-14-2010 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

Ok, I have a question again. It seems some are having success, and others, like me, still struggle, so I hope you don't mind my blunt inquiries. However, the last weekend I successfully cycled through four complete indirect technique cycles (three indirect techniques per cycle). I, however, had no results whatsoever.

Sometimes I don't either. Thats why he suggests we do it up to five times in a four jour period of sleep after WBTB.

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

I feel that counting for the 15 seconds (because I move constantly whenever I try to practice these techniques, in anticipation I can only guess) kept me distracted from the matter at hand. Also, I had the strongest results with the "listening in" technique, as the sound became quite loud, but then plateaued and went no further. I don't understand what went wrong.

It is possible to succeed even though we have moved but our chances are greatly reduced. Keep at it.

**LawPaw** · 12-14-2010 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2

I feel that counting for the 15 seconds (because I move constantly whenever I try to practice these techniques, in anticipation I can only guess) kept me distracted from the matter at hand.

In my experience, the exact timing shouldn't become important to the point of being distracting. When you go to sleep just focus on waking without moving after a few hours with the immediate intention of leaving your body and the secondary intent of doing 3-5 indirect methods if getting out of your body doesn't work after a little while.

I don't count. I just wake and try to exit my body. If that doesn't work I start doing indirect methods. I just do something as long as it keeps progressing and then if nothing happens or I get to a stand still for a few seconds I move on. No counting, as little thought into the "science" behind the movements as possible.

If I focuse too much on the strategy, it diminishes my results.

I have problems fully seperating. This morning I was partially separating really well, but kept getting forcefully sucked back into my body.

I wish the books had more written on seperation techniques.