Thread: How to have an Instant WILD

I have had no success as of yet, but to be honest I havn't given it my full attention because it doesn't appeal to me, and I've had instant success with other techniques. I'm looking for sustainability though, and the other techniques seem to be more hit and miss. And while I trust this technique, I do not seem to be geared towards it, as getting my head wrapped around some of the specifics is grueling to me at times. Mostly I need clarity from experience lol.

Originally Posted by r2d2651

I'm just getting here and I don't feel like wading through 18 pages to see... How successful has this technique been for most people? It seems pretty popular... And too good to be true?

It worked for me two times in a row the first two nights I tried it. I was so excited/frightened that I was unable to deepen the "phase". It requires focus and intent to wake up aware and to instantly try to separate and rotate techniques.

I have been very distracted and busy lately, however, so I have not been able to succeed since.

guys which separation technique is the easiest.....i mean which technique will give less resistance in separation.....?
i tried roll out but i feel high resistance and strong pull towards chest area

Originally Posted by Kunal19

guys which separation technique is the easiest.....i mean which technique will give less resistance in separation.....?
i tried roll out but i feel high resistance and strong pull towards chest area

Then you are doing it right, but I allways try to separate when I am 100 % sure that it will work. For example if I do a separation technique (imagine the sensations of getting out of bed in some way, and really try to feel it) and when I feel real sensations of me doing it, then all I have to do is to try to feel these sensations even more and suddenly I am there (I only feel those sensations).
That's how I separate, but I haven't been able to separate in my bedroom yet :/

I needed advice on trying this technique. A couple of nights ago I woke up still, but I couldn't stay still for long cause it was making me go crazy.

Any advice ?

I tried deferred method today...And it was third time..
Last two times it worked but today it didnt work...
What can be the reason guys..?
Was it because i woke up during the sleep(before 6 hours) for around 5 minutes..?
Is it necessary to have straight 6 hours sleep for deferred method..?

Originally Posted by Kunal19

I tried deferred method today...And it was third time..
Last two times it worked but today it didnt work...
What can be the reason guys..?
Was it because i woke up during the sleep(before 6 hours) for around 5 minutes..?
Is it necessary to have straight 6 hours sleep for deferred method..?

Deffered method gives you the best result if you sleep 6 hours yes, but if you don't succed you are doing something wrong, read the book carefully and find out WHAT!
I am going to do the same because this week I have had a dryspell :/
But I know my misstake, I have been pracctising the deffered method for too long so I need to take a break and this weekend I am doing so.

And if you feel like you are going crazy when you are laying still, it only means that you are close be patient x)

M. Raduga sais that in fact it doesn't matter how long you sleep - what is important is the waking up - that shift of mind.
But truth is that deferred method has some advantages - which are clearly explained in the book. Go and study.

Can anyone answer this question ?

Is it good to sleep for 4 hours then wake up and then try the indirect techniques while I'm about to go back to sleep ?

I'm asking cause every time I try to wake up still it doesn't work, and I've only woken up still once and that time I almost went crazy and had to turn my physical body.

If you can't lay still in your bed without going crazy, that's the first thing you have to pracctise. Why do you feel uncomfortable upon awakening? Figure that out and use the deffered method only when you have time for it.
4 hours of sleep before an attempt works, but it's less hance to succed here than if you sleep 6 hours before attempt. Also note that you are not supposed to attempt to go to the phase after that awakening. You should go to sleep again and affirm that you will notice your natural awakening. It's the best way to get fast result.
Attempts to go to the phase should never be attempted with the use of an alarmclock.
I will start to pracctise tonight too =)

Good luck!

Today i woke up after 6 hours sleep but couldnt sleep again...Lol
and i dont know why but i cant sleep straight 6 hours sleep...I mean somehow i wake up in between 6 hours about 2-3 times..
First i need to fix this problem....
Although i tried to have a nap in afternoon and suprisingly i noticed my awakening...
I felt that my hands were in another positing compare to the original position..
I wish i could have tried to separate but i tried to perform techniques...
And here comes another problem....I got stuck....
Stuck means for 5 seconds even wanting intentionally i couldnt perform techniques...It was like i was stopping myself....I was struggling to convince my mind that perform it now...
And finally when i performed...It felt like i missed it...
I have to overcome that stuck thing...It happens with in walking life too...Its like a bad habit...Lol

It's quite natural to wake up during a night and of course you can use these "during night awakenings" for practicing indirect techniques!!! You don't need to wait 6 hours before you try something.

I woke up and got to the bathroom and then back to bed and affirmed, yeah by now you know the drill... And this time I did notice my awakening! but it was strange because it felt like I didn't even fell asleep before I noticed that I was awake. I heard my mom go downstairs so I know that I had slept for an hour, because she usually gets up at 5 am and I woke up to my alarm 4 am. I felt like I was really aware of myself.
But anyway I now started to apply the indirect techniques, after an attempt to separate. Nothing happend...
I remembered to keep doing cycles and when Ireached the fourth cycle and were really struggling to not fall asleep, I noticed that I heard a beeping noise, so I started to listening in, I don't really remember but I think I tried to separate in my bedroom here, but I teleported (start out the phase outside your bedroom) and suddenly find myself standing in a mall.
I sort of knew it was a dream, but my mind couldn't accept it, so I were both aware and unaware at the same time. But then my aware part decided to touch the ground and everything I saw and the dream was now perfectly clear.
I tried to summon a person and I thought "around that corner I will meet my friend Johanna" and when I walked pass it I saw her! She had different clothes than usually, but her face and all looked the same. I talked to her and just admiring the vivid world and projections of people i know. Then she gazed at me for some seconds and kissed me! I were shocked, because I don't have feelings for her, but here I lost the lucidity... Then I dreamed that I was sitting on the backholder of a bike and playing guitar and it was a warm beautiful day o.O and I realised that this just doesn't work and it isn't summer where I live, far from it... I didn't become aware enough to realise it was a dream, but I were in the half awareness and half unaware state like before and I remember every non-lucid dream I had after this. I were really aware this morning! Today I will read some more of the SOBT to learn what to do to make the phase more stable.

Originally Posted by MasterMind

I woke up and got to the bathroom and then back to bed and affirmed, yeah by now you know the drill... And this time I did notice my awakening! but it was strange because it felt like I didn't even fell asleep before I noticed that I was awake. I heard my mom go downstairs so I know that I had slept for an hour, because she usually gets up at 5 am and I woke up to my alarm 4 am. I felt like I was really aware of myself.
But anyway I now started to apply the indirect techniques, after an attempt to separate. Nothing happend...
I remembered to keep doing cycles and when Ireached the fourth cycle and were really struggling to not fall asleep, I noticed that I heard a beeping noise, so I started to listening in, I don't really remember but I think I tried to separate in my bedroom here, but I teleported (start out the phase outside your bedroom) and suddenly find myself standing in a mall.
I sort of knew it was a dream, but my mind couldn't accept it, so I were both aware and unaware at the same time. But then my aware part decided to touch the ground and everything I saw and the dream was now perfectly clear.
I tried to summon a person and I thought "around that corner I will meet my friend Johanna" and when I walked pass it I saw her! She had different clothes than usually, but her face and all looked the same. I talked to her and just admiring the vivid world and projections of people i know. Then she gazed at me for some seconds and kissed me! I were shocked, because I don't have feelings for her, but here I lost the lucidity... Then I dreamed that I was sitting on the backholder of a bike and playing guitar and it was a warm beautiful day o.O and I realised that this just doesn't work and it isn't summer where I live, far from it... I didn't become aware enough to realise it was a dream, but I were in the half awareness and half unaware state like before and I remember every non-lucid dream I had after this. I were really aware this morning! Today I will read some more of the SOBT to learn what to do to make the phase more stable.

what did you affirm.......?

Originally Posted by Kunal19

what did you affirm.......?

Hehe I didn't wrote it again because I have almost written it in every post where I describe my attempts. But I go to sleep and an alarm wakes me up 6 hours later, then I got to the bathroom and then back to bed and try to fall asleep and affirming that I will am aware of my next awakening and I wake up with closed eyes and remember to use indirect techniques.

Great attempt, MM.

Even if this wasn't achieved with use of the SOBT method it still was used with methods described in the book like: Dream Cartography and deepening.

From my blog:

This was not a phase attempt it was just a spontanious dream consciousnes
I just woke up and remembered 5 dreams and one of them were lucid. I am not going to write down the details of the dreams, because that takes too long time, but I am going to write down the places and draw thwm on a map.
My first dream was about my school, then I were playing Heroes of Newerth, then I were in some sort of mall. And then I were in my home and heard that there were strange noises downstairs.
I was home alone and I when I come down I saw two men with knives! I saw my mom through the window so I warned her to not come in. She looked confused at me and wondered what was bothering me. I realised that there were no men here anymore, they had just vanished.
I realised it was a dream and went outside. I immediately start to perform deepening.
I rubbed my hands and touched as much objects that I could and I even falled head first and noticed that the feel of gravity was a litte strange, I was almost floating. Then I walked out to the street while rubbing my hands together. I started to think this is were I usually wake up, I hope I don't do it again. And I woke up... I thought! I were now laying in bed and heard a women say
"Welcome to Darwin lucid dream induction, lay still and you will have a lucid dream" I have an app on my Iphone that I used before the SOBT method, so I thought that I accidently had started that even if the app doesn't even sounds like that at all. So I lay still and then gave up, and here I woke up for real... I have made deepening techniques a habit, but now I also have to learn to notice my FALSE awakenings.

i had around 5-6 continuous lucid deams last night......
but i want obes..........damn........in the last awakening probably i was close to obe but the same inertia or i can say resistence pulled me.....
i have a advise if u wanna have obe........dont try to imagine separation......do it just like you roll out physically......
i imagined and ended up in lucid dream every time......
but one thing was fun yesterday........when i felt vibrations i started imagening that i am jumping from one roof to other like spiderman........and guess what i entered in a lucid dream......
and pls someone help me regarding observing images......
every time the images disappear.........i know i have to watch them passively but i try my best still it disappears......
pls someone tell me how do you observe images.......?

Originally Posted by Kunal19

i had around 5-6 continuous lucid deams last night......
but i want obes..........damn........in the last awakening probably i was close to obe but the same inertia or i can say resistence pulled me.....
i have a advise if u wanna have obe........dont try to imagine separation......do it just like you roll out physically......
i imagined and ended up in lucid dream every time......
but one thing was fun yesterday........when i felt vibrations i started imagening that i am jumping from one roof to other like spiderman........and guess what i entered in a lucid dream......
and pls someone help me regarding observing images......
every time the images disappear.........i know i have to watch them passively but i try my best still it disappears......
pls someone tell me how do you observe images.......?

First of all, I have never had an obe so I don't know what it's like, but I can only quote Michael Raduga. He say that obes, lucid dream, astral projection and so on it's all the same it's the phase, as he call it. But it only fells like different kinds of experiences, when it actually is the same. And one misstake that new pracctioners make is that they think that they are in the real world while in the obe not like a FA I mean they really think that they are in the real world in an astral body.

So I guess he means that a obe is just a hyper realistic lucid dream where you are 10 times more aware than in a lucid dream.
I have had a dream were I dreamed that I were in my house and I were really suprised over the realness of the dream and how a like the dream house was my real house. I can only imagine how an OBE feels like o.O

And for the observing images part...
Don't use techniques that doesn't seem to work. It's very individual.
I for instance stopped using phantom wiggling, because it never gave me any results.
But when I observe images I just look into the black space behind my eyelids for 2-5 seconds if I don't see anything I change technique, if I see something I know that I am on my way to the phase, so I just start to look through it, sort of like a panorama pciture. Then I am supposed to use a separation technique, but here I usually teleport...

@mastermind
Which techniques do you use or do you automatically enter in phase because of the deferred method...Without trying any techniques...?

Originally Posted by Kunal19

@mastermind
Which techniques do you use or do you automatically enter in phase because of the deferred method...Without trying any techniques...?

Haha no, but I wish I could =)

But almost, because everytime I do the deffered method and WHEN I notice my awakening I know that I will succed. All my failed attempts is either because I have not noticed my awakening or that I was too tired to get up when the alarm wakes me up 6 hours later because I cheated my break on the weekend (phase attempts is only supposed to be pracctised 3-4 days a week in the first 2-3 years).
But everytime I have noticed my awakening I have atleast got a lucid dream.
But as I have described many time before =)
THIS IS MY ROUTINE (I just follow the book):

1. Go to sleep
2. Have an alarm that wakes you up 6 hours later
3. Get out of bed and engage in some sort of active for 5 minutes (I go to the bathroom and then go back to bed)
4. Fall asleep with a strong intention to notice your next awakening and affirm to wake up still and with closed eye (This is called a conscious awakening)
5. WHEN you notice your awakening try a separation technique and if that doesn't work start doing indirect techniques.

If you move upon awakening do forced falling asleep, if you wake up with open eyes, quickly close them and do indirect techniques!

6. Separation technique imagine and really try to feel yourself getting out of bed in some kind of way.

7. If no real sensations of you getting out of bed occurs do indirect techniques like
observing imaages, listening in, hand rubbing visualization, swimming technique and so on.

Here you have it The School of out of body travel in one post puh...

Heres the video where he describe it: Out-of-Body Experience (OBE)

Good luck everyone !

Hey mcwillis, thanks for introducing me to Micheal's book! I've read the practical guide book and his personalized guide book until it started to talk about Direct techniques (didn't want to get distracted). I've been practicing and can now wake up without moving, but have one question! How do I "roll out" or "Get up" without using any muscles?? I've reread the chapters many times and the only way I can think of doing that is using imagination, but he strictly says not to use imagination. Another Question. How does one strain the brain?

Originally Posted by ObliviousOtter

Hey mcwillis, thanks for introducing me to Micheal's book! I've read the practical guide book and his personalized guide book until it started to talk about Direct techniques (didn't want to get distracted). I've been practicing and can now wake up without moving, but have one question! How do I "roll out" or "Get up" without using any muscles?? I've reread the chapters many times and the only way I can think of doing that is using imagination, but he strictly says not to use imagination. Another Question. How does one strain the brain?

Basically I would say that you imagine feeling the physical sensations of moving your body. One night I woke up and imained feeling the sensations of wiggling my leg and my dream/astral leg was moving freely with a range of about sixty centimetres.

Awesome to see so many people getting good results with Mr. Raduga's methods

Originally Posted by ObliviousOtter

Hey mcwillis, thanks for introducing me to Micheal's book! I've read the practical guide book and his personalized guide book until it started to talk about Direct techniques (didn't want to get distracted). I've been practicing and can now wake up without moving, but have one question! How do I "roll out" or "Get up" without using any muscles?? I've reread the chapters many times and the only way I can think of doing that is using imagination, but he strictly says not to use imagination. Another Question. How does one strain the brain?

do not imagine otw you will end up into a lucid dream

Originally Posted by Kunal19

do not imagine otw you will end up into a lucid dream

Well Michael believe it's the same thing =)