I know I've posted so many threads but this is just hard..

[cmind]

Sydney is correct, afternoon naps give WILDs just as easily as the more traditional time in the early morning. ^I'm glad you're going to try a WILD without pain. You really shouldn't ever be in pain. I know some people might say that pain is a good anchor, but frankly that's kinda stupid. And even if we ignore the stupidity of trying to fall asleep in pain, it's a crutch. You shouldn't have any crutches. But whatever, I've said my piece.

[Snowboy]

OK, Mzzck, just so that you know, I DON'T TRY TO WILD! Like I said, experiences when I was younger keep me from trying. I'm fine with my own personal method. >.< I'm with Jay on this one. You aren't going to be able to achieve REAL sleep paralysis by just laying there for several hours all still and whatnot. Real sleep paralysis needs practice to achieve and probably an adjustment to your methods. I haven't (and won't) watch the videos since I feel no need to, but it still sounds like it is a good video. When you DO achieve real sleep paralysis you WON'T BE ABLE TO MOVE, NO MATTER WHAT! HH are also distinct and you will know when you hit those too, particularly by their unreal properties. Quick tip: If you do hit HH, do a RC after it happens or try to do one during it. I just had a dream last night where I was dreaming I was experiencing HH, so it's a good idea to do RCs during and after it.

[Mzzkc]

Snowboy, you achieve "real" sleep paralysis by going to sleep. It's as simple as that.

[Snowboy]

Snowbyo, you achieve "real" sleep paralysis by going to sleep. It's as simple as that. >.< I didn't mean in the sense of falling asleep normally, I meant as in a WILD. It's hard to hit real SP in a WILD, and I believe there's something out there that can change that. Also, I know you fall asleep in a WILD, but I'm just saying that hitting SP is hard to do, and it usually comes before your mind falls asleep. How did my quote misspell my username but your OP didn't...?

[Mzzkc]

>.< I didn't mean in the sense of falling asleep normally, I meant as in a WILD. It's hard to hit real SP in a WILD, and I believe there's something out there that can change that. Also, I know you fall asleep in a WILD, but I'm just saying that hitting SP is hard to do, and it usually comes before your mind falls asleep. How did my quote misspell my username but your OP didn't...? I don't know how much clearer I can be.

[mcwillis]

And most meditation is actually done by simply observing that flow, not partaking, not blocking. Exactly. I'm only throwing in my opinion as I'm just about to do half an hour of meditation.

[Maria92]

I don't know how much clearer I can be. @ snowboy...the goal of WILD is to fall asleep while remaining conscious. Some people can induce SP just by laying there until HH sets in and they eventually enter a dream, but what is usually easier is to just fall asleep with some sort of anchor. Don't focus on SP or getting there...just get to sleep. If you engaged your anchor properly, you should now find yourself in a lucid dream. SP happens on its own, and achieving it isn't the goal of WILD. To fall asleep is.

[Snowboy]

@ snowboy...the goal of WILD is to fall asleep while remaining conscious. Some people can induce SP just by laying there until HH sets in and they eventually enter a dream, but what is usually easier is to just fall asleep with some sort of anchor. Don't focus on SP or getting there...just get to sleep. If you engaged your anchor properly, you should now find yourself in a lucid dream. SP happens on its own, and achieving it isn't the goal of WILD. To fall asleep is. I know what WILD is. I know how it is done. I know you can induce SP/HH like that, I'm just saying it's hard to do. Anyway, my personal method is different from WILD since you don't hit SP/HH. All you have to do is keep a clear mind and try to keep consciousness while falling asleep. Not in the same manner as WILD, but you're still trying to stay conscious. You will experience a quick lapse in consciousness when your mind falls asleep, then you enter the dream. I'm not sure just how related that is to WILD, but I know it's close but not the same. For those of you that say it isn't real or possible, I just did one two nights ago, so don't say it isn't possible. Just felt like saying that.

[cmind]

I know what WILD is. I know how it is done. I know you can induce SP/HH like that, I'm just saying it's hard to do. Anyway, my personal method is different from WILD since you don't hit SP/HH. All you have to do is keep a clear mind and try to keep consciousness while falling asleep. Not in the same manner as WILD, but you're still trying to stay conscious. You will experience a quick lapse in consciousness when your mind falls asleep, then you enter the dream. I'm not sure just how related that is to WILD, but I know it's close but not the same. For those of you that say it isn't real or possible, I just did one two nights ago, so don't say it isn't possible. Just felt like saying that. That is a WILD.

[AURON]

SP and HH or HI don't determine what a WILD is. Just because you're not experiencing all the things that may or may not accompany it doesn't mean it's not a WILD. It just means the person who created the information about a WILD decided to put that information in there, because sometimes it happens to people. Think of SP and HI as side effects to a drug. They wont necessarily happen to you, but it may happen to other people. If you're awake for one moment and you go directly into a dream fully aware from the beginning it's a WILD. If you're already dreaming and discover you're lucid, it's a DILD. Every technique ever listed is just a variation of those two.

[Snowboy]

That is a WILD. It isn't the traditional WILD. Like I said, it's hard to explain. SP and HH or HI don't determine what a WILD is. Just because you're not experiencing all the things that may or may not accompany it doesn't mean it's not a WILD. It just means the person who created the information about a WILD decided to put that information in there, because sometimes it happens to people. Think of SP and HI as side effects to a drug. They wont necessarily happen to you, but it may happen to other people. If you're awake for one moment and you go directly into a dream fully aware from the beginning it's a WILD. If you're already dreaming and discover you're lucid, it's a DILD. Every technique ever listed is just a variation of those two. I see what you mean, and I agree. Mostly. I think there's some future technology that can induce lucid dreams that will come into play someday, but at the moment all techniques are just spin-offs of the two.

[Sydney]

I've been sick for a week but I'm starting back again. I'm just glad to feel some SP even if its not "real".

[mikeac]

It isn't the traditional WILD. Like I said, it's hard to explain. I've been doing my WILDs the same way you've done it, it's still a WILD. There's no such thing as a traditional WILD, WILD is just the basis of a technique, which could be altered to suit each individual's need. WILD is simply falling asleep with your mind awake in order to enter your dream. I looked up the guide to WILD in the wiki, and it says: the traditional WILD technique in which the dreamer simply remains motionless and waits for the body to fall asleep. I don't know of any WILD or spin off of WILD that doesn't use the exact same method, sometimes with amendments. For example, DEILD would be: a variation of WILD in which the dreamer, if he/she awakes after a previous dream, simply remains motionless and waits for the body to fall asleep. and VILD would be: a variation of WILD in which the dreamer simply remains motionless and waits for the body to fall asleep, while visualizing a dreamscape in their mind. and EILD would be: a variation of WILD in which the dreamer, aided by music, binaural beats, a light-sound machine, etc., simply remains motionless and waits for the body to fall asleep. and so on. All the spin-offs of both DILD and WILD use the same method except with amendments.

[Jay12341235]

I would like to know, have any of you ACTUALLY fallen asleep conciously using an anchor? That seems much harder than inducing sleep paralysis directly.

[Snowboy]

I don't know of any WILD or spin off of WILD that doesn't use the exact same method, sometimes with amendments. Well, with my method you can move as much as you like, as long as you can fall asleep. I also don't wait for my body to fall asleep, I just go to sleep while maintaining awareness. The thing is, though, it's only aware until I fall asleep, where there is a lapse in consciousness, then you are again conscious. Not sure how it works, though, but it does. As I have repeatedly stated, it's hard to explain and I doubt many people will understand what I said.

[Mzzkc]

I would like to know, have any of you ACTUALLY fallen asleep conciously using an anchor? That seems much harder than inducing sleep paralysis directly. Loads of times. But never once have I succeeded while trying to induce SP. Well, with my method you can move as much as you like, as long as you can fall asleep. I also don't wait for my body to fall asleep, I just go to sleep while maintaining awareness. The thing is, though, it's only aware until I fall asleep, where there is a lapse in consciousness, then you are again conscious. Not sure how it works, though, but it does. As I have repeatedly stated, it's hard to explain and I doubt many people will understand what I said. If you begin the dream lucid and aware, it's a WILD. If you become lucid after being non-lucid for awhile, it's a DILD. Simple definitions are simple.

[Snowboy]

If you begin the dream lucid and aware, it's a WILD. If you become lucid after being non-lucid for awhile, it's a DILD. I meant with my method, which is a spin-off of WILD, but it is different from the traditional WILD in several ways which I have already stated. From now on, when I say the traditional WILD, let's assume I mean the WILD tutorial in the Wiki. OK?

[Mzzkc]

I meant with my method, which is a spin-off of WILD, but it is different from the traditional WILD in several ways which I have already stated. From now on, when I say the traditional WILD, let's assume I mean the WILD tutorial in the Wiki. OK? Why would immediately defer to such an old, inherently flawed point of reference? Whether you like it or not, your method is either a WILD or DILD, there is no other subset of LDs. By the definition I gave, which you'll be hard pressed to show is invalid, your method, as you've explained it, is a WILD. I really don't know why you're having so much difficulty understanding such simple points.

[Snowboy]

Why would immediately defer to such an old, inherently flawed point of reference? Whether you like it or not, your method is either a WILD or DILD, there is no other subset of LDs. By the definition I gave, which you'll be hard pressed to show is invalid, your method, as you've explained it, is a WILD.. I said it was a spin-off of WILD. In that post I didn't say that it wasn't something brand new, I just said that it was a spin-off that can possibly work. Also, if you really are that picky about which tutorial I use, I will go ahead and change it to your guide. You happy? On a separate note, even though you can sound like a dick sometimes, I'm actually a bit surprised you haven't been promoted to staff at all. Just saying.

[Mzzkc]

I said it was a spin-off of WILD. In that post I didn't say that it wasn't something brand new, I just said that it was a spin-off that can possibly work. I recall you saying it was different from WILD in a few posts, including this one, which I took for you claiming it didn't fit the definition of a WILD. I apologize for the miscommunication. Also, if you really are that picky about which tutorial I use, I will go ahead and change it to your guide. You happy? Lol, use whatever tutorial you want, I'm just not a fan of the "official" tutorial, as it gives newbies sometimes unrealistic and unreasonable expectations. On a separate note, even though you can sound like a dick sometimes, I'm actually a bit surprised you haven't been promoted to staff at all. Just saying. Probably 'cause I can sound like a dick at times. XP I also don't play the social game here much, if at all.

[Jay12341235]

Loads of times. But never once have I succeeded while trying to induce SP. Then I would assume you tried to use one of the tutorials here for inducing SP? They don't work well at all.

[Mzzkc]

Then I would assume you tried to use one of the tutorials here for inducing SP? They don't work well at all. No they don't. It wasn't until I stopped trying to reach SP that I got anywhere at all.

[Jay12341235]

No they don't. It wasn't until I stopped trying to reach SP that I got anywhere at all. If you really want SP, then check out the vids I posted here earlier, they do work. You probably don't need them though if you can WILD so much as it is

[Mzzkc]

I did check out the vids you posted, and I think you'd be surprised to find that the repetitive "hearing" of a word or phrase is a Mental Anchor, as described by BillyBob and myself. The only thing done drastically differently from a usual WILD in the vids is messing with sleep cycle so that SP and REM are closer, which is a pretty cool idea, I'll admit. However, you can hit SP just fine using any sort of anchor, and you don't have to utilize a transitional method (the "separation"), but I can see the appeal.

[Snowboy]

Update requested from Sydney