Thread: Mancon's In Depth WILD Guide

nice guide but what do you do to keep your eye from moving

My bad, it does occur, its just very rare.

Each night people go through several cycles of non-REM and REM sleep. Sleepwalking (somnambulism) most often occurs during deep, non-REM sleep (stage 3 or stage 4 sleep) early in the night. If it occurs during REM sleep, it is part of REM behavior disorder and tends to happen near morning.

taken from here

Seems like a nice tutorial, but I have a question.
I don't have the ability to perform a WBTB during the night at any time besides summer, so I want to get used to being able to perform the WILD without the WBTB. I also can't attempt to do the WILD in the afternoon, since it would A- I can't fall sleep due to school and other things like that, and B- If I somehow managed to do it, I would have an unimaginable hard time falling asleep later that night.

So my question is, how would this technique work if I tried it after waking up 5 hours after falling asleep and say, going to get a glass of water and returning to bed? Would I have to adjust the technique in anyways?

And also, I once tried this technique a while ago. I lied down, turned sides every 7-10 minutes, tried to focus on my breathing and things like that. However, the most I got was my arms and part of my upper body feeling numb before I decided to give it up. Was that a sign that I was nearing Sleep Paralysis?

Originally Posted by cyberetah

Seems like a nice tutorial, but I have a question.
I don't have the ability to perform a WBTB during the night at any time besides summer, so I want to get used to being able to perform the WILD without the WBTB. I also can't attempt to do the WILD in the afternoon, since it would A- I can't fall sleep due to school and other things like that, and B- If I somehow managed to do it, I would have an unimaginable hard time falling asleep later that night.

If you don't have the ability to WBTB, then I don't think WILD is the right technique for you. You have to find a technique that will work with you and your lifestyle. WILDing without a WBTB (Or nap) is very hard, but if you are really determined to do this click here.

So my question is, how would this technique work if I tried it after waking up 5 hours after falling asleep and say, going to get a glass of water and returning to bed? Would I have to adjust the technique in anyways?

Yes, it can work if you did that. That's fine.

And also, I once tried this technique a while ago. I lied down, turned sides every 7-10 minutes, tried to focus on my breathing and things like that. However, the most I got was my arms and part of my upper body feeling numb before I decided to give it up. Was that a sign that I was nearing Sleep Paralysis?

Numbness is a sign you are entering SP or in SP. You should only turn if you really feel like you need to move or want to move. If you are fine staying still, then just stay still. It isn't required to turn every 10 minutes.

Alright, thank you for the response, but just a question on the WBTB aspect of it-
By WBTB, are you referring to waking up in the night & staying awake for a set amount of time looking up stuff on lucidity and keeping my focus on that, or are you referring to waking up in the middle of the night and simply staying awake for a set amount of time before falling asleep? Because I can easily wake up in the night for say, 5-10 minutes before returning to sleep.
Any responses are appreciated, and I apologize for my confusion. Thanks again!

Originally Posted by cyberetah

Alright, thank you for the response, but just a question on the WBTB aspect of it-
By WBTB, are you referring to waking up in the night & staying awake for a set amount of time looking up stuff on lucidity and keeping my focus on that, or are you referring to waking up in the middle of the night and simply staying awake for a set amount of time before falling asleep? Because I can easily wake up in the night for say, 5-10 minutes before returning to sleep.
Any responses are appreciated, and I apologize for my confusion. Thanks again!

Ahhh okay. By WBTB I just mean waking up in the middle of the night for like 1-10 minutes and then attempting a WILD.

I hate to be that guy but it should be "You're* in SP!" about halfway down the guide.

Otherwise good guide.

Originally Posted by Rybread34

I hate to be that guy but it should be "You're* in SP!" about halfway down the guide.

Otherwise good guide.

No problem haha.

Fixed it...thanks

Originally Posted by Randoman

nice guide but what do you do to keep your eye from moving

Click here

I know what he means by itches being itchy most times my itches almost start to burn heh

Originally Posted by wolf1234lucid

I know what he means by itches being itchy most times my itches almost start to burn heh

Haha I know. I used to ALWAYS itch while WILDing and it drove me INSANE.

Arghh... Trying to perform a WILD has become much harder now that school's begun. I end up having a lot more problems, specifically the amount of time it takes to fall asleep again after waking up.

I stay up for around 5 minutes after being woken by my alarm, around 5 hours after going to bed. When I go back, I lie in bed for a good hour or so before giving up, because even if I reach SP (which I have yet to ever reach) I will be unable to go into my dream before having to go back to bed. Any idea on what I can do to decrease the time that it takes me to enter sleep paralysis?
Details on my routine:
- Wake up 5 hours after falling asleep
- Use the restroom, wash my face, take a drink of water
- After staying up for around 5 minutes, go back to sleep
- Lie down on my back & flex freeze
- Reverse blink every once in a while
- Lie down & count my breaths

That's my usual routine, I usually count with no cap, going to try counting from 1-10 and restarting rather than just continuing the count. Hopefully that'll make some change. But besides that, does anybody have any advice as to how I can fall asleep faster? I'm willing to answer questions.

A little tip that seems to work for many, if you would like to add... is to stretch in the time you get up from the WBTB alarm.

Focus on every little part of your body, and make sure it is as relaxed as possible. Doing so, you will get a tad bit tired and it can possibly aid you in decreasing WILD preparation time.

Originally Posted by ClearView

A little tip that seems to work for many, if you would like to add... is to stretch in the time you get up from the WBTB alarm.

Focus on every little part of your body, and make sure it is as relaxed as possible. Doing so, you will get a tad bit tired and it can possibly aid you in decreasing WILD preparation time.

Thanks a ton! I tried this in my latest WILD, and I got to a certain phase that I've been through several times faster than ever before. However, this phase is something I need help with now, as I've had the same problem time and time again.

I reach a phase where suddenly, I feel a tingling around my body. I feel slightly heavier, my head vibrates a bit, and my eyes try to make themselves open, which I have to force them shut with as little force as I can. My entire body goes number than previously with this sensation, but it only lasts around 10 seconds. Then it disappears and I return to where I was before.

So my questions are: Is this the transition phase to Sleep Paralysis?
And how come it consistently ends after a few seconds? I don't focus on the SP, I simply continue counting 1-10 in my head. Should I stop counting at the transition, or am I missing something? Any help would be nice.

Very nice guide Mancon mate, but maybe to clarify a thing that has helped in a few of my WILDs

Sleep paralysis as you define it is incorrect. What you are referring to is REM atonia, which paralyse most of your body (bar eye muscles and remote muscle groups, which is why finger twitching is actually possible). Sleep paralysis DOES NOT occur in all individuals, though it is not uncommon. You are correct in describing HHs as a common phenomenon of sleep paralysis (not REM atonia) though, and (primarily for unexpecting individuals) can be accompanied by an anxious reaction bordering panic.

Now it would be useless to just start hammering your excelent guide on a minor technicality, if I had no other point with doing so. The reason I am mentioning is that recently I have had success with just lying still observing various images and sounds occuring naturally in the hypnagoic period, but I am still moving and rolling around so not paralysed. What has happened is that these images has intensified sometimes to the point where the dream sort of just manifest (what I suppose you could call a transision) or I have a FA with immediate waking memory access that I was just paying attention to HHs.

If you set people's expectations that they WILL experience SP when this isn't always the case, you might cause people some frustration. Besides I would hypothesise that artificially manufactering sleep paralysis is actually harder than WILDing per se until you find the right technique, so you might actually have people starting working on something that is somewhat irrelevant to the overall goal of attaining lucidity.

That being said I have transitioned from SP before and the jolt or shock running up through my spine combined with the sensation of falling through my own body and progressing through the bed is EXTREMELY good fun but might not be the best method for actually WILDing. Hope this helps someone

Originally Posted by cyberetah

So my questions are: Is this the transition phase to Sleep Paralysis?
And how come it consistently ends after a few seconds? I don't focus on the SP, I simply continue counting 1-10 in my head. Should I stop counting at the transition, or am I missing something? Any help would be nice.

So you are doing it partially correct. At this moment when you feel the tingling, don't concentrate on ANYTHING. I can't stress enough, that when you are trying to transition in WILD you cannot pay attention to anything whatsoever other than your counting. However, at this point your counting should almost be automatic, and you don't even need to think about it. If you are able to, lay with a clear head, and very briefly ponder each *random thought that you come across.

Also i'm not aware of your counting method, but heres how I do it.

I count 1 breath as = breath in, breath out

Try that tonight, or whenever, and maybe you'll get farther! It's only a matter of trial and error buddy!

*random thoughts = As you reach the end of SP and the dream stage your mind is flooded with random thoughts that often even make up the dream scene. Do not ponder each one too long. I warn you on their randomness, flying monkeys with bananas on mars, and such. I am not familiar with the technique, but using these random thoughts you can induce a lucid dream.

Originally Posted by Vesterguard

Very nice guide Mancon mate, but maybe to clarify a thing that has helped in a few of my WILDs

Sleep paralysis as you define it is incorrect. What you are referring to is REM atonia, which paralyse most of your body (bar eye muscles and remote muscle groups, which is why finger twitching is actually possible). Sleep paralysis DOES NOT occur in all individuals, though it is not uncommon. You are correct in describing HHs as a common phenomenon of sleep paralysis (not REM atonia) though, and (primarily for unexpecting individuals) can be accompanied by an anxious reaction bordering panic.

Now it would be useless to just start hammering your excelent guide on a minor technicality, if I had no other point with doing so. The reason I am mentioning is that recently I have had success with just lying still observing various images and sounds occuring naturally in the hypnagoic period, but I am still moving and rolling around so not paralysed. What has happened is that these images has intensified sometimes to the point where the dream sort of just manifest (what I suppose you could call a transision) or I have a FA with immediate waking memory access that I was just paying attention to HHs.

If you set people's expectations that they WILL experience SP when this isn't always the case, you might cause people some frustration. Besides I would hypothesise that artificially manufactering sleep paralysis is actually harder than WILDing per se until you find the right technique, so you might actually have people starting working on something that is somewhat irrelevant to the overall goal of attaining lucidity.

That being said I have transitioned from SP before and the jolt or shock running up through my spine combined with the sensation of falling through my own body and progressing through the bed is EXTREMELY good fun but might not be the best method for actually WILDing. Hope this helps someone

Thank you Vesterguard. I will edit my post, and go into a little more detail about the difference between REM Atonia, and sleep paralysis. Thanks for catching that.

I don't know why most people have trouble with swallowing, perhaps it's because everyone thinks you reset the sleep paralysis timer. I use to think that, but know after swallowing a whole bunch yesterday, I was fine with WILDing

Also, nice guide Mancon, this has helped me yesterday

Originally Posted by ClearView

So you are doing it partially correct. At this moment when you feel the tingling, don't concentrate on ANYTHING. I can't stress enough, that when you are trying to transition in WILD you cannot pay attention to anything whatsoever other than your counting. However, at this point your counting should almost be automatic, and you don't even need to think about it. If you are able to, lay with a clear head, and very briefly ponder each *random thought that you come across.

Also i'm not aware of your counting method, but heres how I do it.

I count 1 breath as = breath in, breath out

Try that tonight, or whenever, and maybe you'll get farther! It's only a matter of trial and error buddy!

*random thoughts = As you reach the end of SP and the dream stage your mind is flooded with random thoughts that often even make up the dream scene. Do not ponder each one too long. I warn you on their randomness, flying monkeys with bananas on mars, and such. I am not familiar with the technique, but using these random thoughts you can induce a lucid dream.

Yeah, I may have just reached SP a bit too fast. By the time I remembered the counting aspect of SP, I had only counted 1-10 about 5 times. But I do the counts with breaths, as you suggested. I'd TRY to peacefully and calmly ponder on each random thought that pops up... If I had any I reach that stage, then 10 seconds later, I'm back at the way I was before, just a bit number. But I'll try again, this time I'm going to try to stop the counting in my head and just focus on nothing. If that doesn't work, I'll work a bit harder on counting passively. (As ironic as that sentance is)

That means you are thinking too hard. In reality, all this lucid dreaming stuff is simple. Once you get passed the "OMG THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE I QUIT" hurtle, you should be nice and comfy in your lucid dreams.

But here is a point many do not realize. They strive to succeed in the actual transition, but get lost in the aftermath.

You need to know what you are going to do as soon as you are in your dream. Have a set plan on what you will do, and how you plan on stabilizing/maintaining the dream. Learn to control the excitement pulsating in your body as you reach SP, and cross over it's boundaries.

Basically meaning that you need to be prepared for the long run, and not just getting out of SP and into the dream.

If you have any more questions about WILDing or Lucid dreaming in general, PM me or a dream guide, we would be happy to help!

(Sorry for hijacking the thread Mancon! I apologize dearly in advance!)

Originally Posted by ClearView

That means you are thinking too hard. In reality, all this lucid dreaming stuff is simple. Once you get passed the "OMG THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE I QUIT" hurtle, you should be nice and comfy in your lucid dreams.

But here is a point many do not realize. They strive to succeed in the actual transition, but get lost in the aftermath.

You need to know what you are going to do as soon as you are in your dream. Have a set plan on what you will do, and how you plan on stabilizing/maintaining the dream. Learn to control the excitement pulsating in your body as you reach SP, and cross over it's boundaries.

Basically meaning that you need to be prepared for the long run, and not just getting out of SP and into the dream.

If you have any more questions about WILDing or Lucid dreaming in general, PM me or a dream guide, we would be happy to help!

(Sorry for hijacking the thread Mancon! I apologize dearly in advance!)

At the moment, my problem doesn't appear to be the transition; I'm almost certain I haven't even reached SP yet. I know myself well enough to know that once I reach SP, I'll get a massive confidence boost towards it and focus on the transition itself; As it stands, I'm still trying to get into SP and atleast see hypnogagic imagery. After that, I'm going to be focusing on the transition.

But, as a note, I tried WILDing yesterday again. I got a fair amount, but I noticed something that I can now confirm has been happening a bit recently. I'm counting from 1-10, with my breaths, and I HAVE to count manually. (If I'm counting my breaths, then I have to time them with it, so it's manual) So what I noticed is that sometimes, I drift off for a bit, and when I remember to count my breaths, I'll notice that I'm snoring. And the moment I notice that, I go back to manual breathing, and that stops. So I don't know if this has any relevance, but do I need to stop this, or what should I do with it? Is that drifting off too far anyways? Any help is appreciated.

Originally Posted by cyberetah

At the moment, my problem doesn't appear to be the transition; I'm almost certain I haven't even reached SP yet. I know myself well enough to know that once I reach SP, I'll get a massive confidence boost towards it and focus on the transition itself; As it stands, I'm still trying to get into SP and atleast see hypnogagic imagery. After that, I'm going to be focusing on the transition.

But, as a note, I tried WILDing yesterday again. I got a fair amount, but I noticed something that I can now confirm has been happening a bit recently. I'm counting from 1-10, with my breaths, and I HAVE to count manually. (If I'm counting my breaths, then I have to time them with it, so it's manual) So what I noticed is that sometimes, I drift off for a bit, and when I remember to count my breaths, I'll notice that I'm snoring. And the moment I notice that, I go back to manual breathing, and that stops. So I don't know if this has any relevance, but do I need to stop this, or what should I do with it? Is that drifting off too far anyways? Any help is appreciated.

I would recommend just focusing on being aware, and not drifting off. Maybe you could try something other then counting to keep you aware.

Originally Posted by Mancon

I would recommend just focusing on being aware, and not drifting off. Maybe you could try something other then counting to keep you aware.

Well, I can easily just stay focused and aware if I want to, but I thought if I try and stay aware then my mind won't fall asleep and I can't WILD?

Originally Posted by cyberetah

Well, I can easily just stay focused and aware if I want to, but I thought if I try and stay aware then my mind won't fall asleep and I can't WILD?

Well the trick is to stay aware enough so you don't dose off, but not too aware that you stay awake. You want to be really relaxed, and act like your sleeping but still be aware of things happening.