Thread: Mancon's In Depth WILD Guide

That means you are thinking too hard. In reality, all this lucid dreaming stuff is simple. Once you get passed the "OMG THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE I QUIT" hurtle, you should be nice and comfy in your lucid dreams.

But here is a point many do not realize. They strive to succeed in the actual transition, but get lost in the aftermath.

You need to know what you are going to do as soon as you are in your dream. Have a set plan on what you will do, and how you plan on stabilizing/maintaining the dream. Learn to control the excitement pulsating in your body as you reach SP, and cross over it's boundaries.

Basically meaning that you need to be prepared for the long run, and not just getting out of SP and into the dream.

If you have any more questions about WILDing or Lucid dreaming in general, PM me or a dream guide, we would be happy to help!

(Sorry for hijacking the thread Mancon! I apologize dearly in advance!)

Originally Posted by ClearView

That means you are thinking too hard. In reality, all this lucid dreaming stuff is simple. Once you get passed the "OMG THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE I QUIT" hurtle, you should be nice and comfy in your lucid dreams.

But here is a point many do not realize. They strive to succeed in the actual transition, but get lost in the aftermath.

You need to know what you are going to do as soon as you are in your dream. Have a set plan on what you will do, and how you plan on stabilizing/maintaining the dream. Learn to control the excitement pulsating in your body as you reach SP, and cross over it's boundaries.

Basically meaning that you need to be prepared for the long run, and not just getting out of SP and into the dream.

If you have any more questions about WILDing or Lucid dreaming in general, PM me or a dream guide, we would be happy to help!

(Sorry for hijacking the thread Mancon! I apologize dearly in advance!)

At the moment, my problem doesn't appear to be the transition; I'm almost certain I haven't even reached SP yet. I know myself well enough to know that once I reach SP, I'll get a massive confidence boost towards it and focus on the transition itself; As it stands, I'm still trying to get into SP and atleast see hypnogagic imagery. After that, I'm going to be focusing on the transition.

But, as a note, I tried WILDing yesterday again. I got a fair amount, but I noticed something that I can now confirm has been happening a bit recently. I'm counting from 1-10, with my breaths, and I HAVE to count manually. (If I'm counting my breaths, then I have to time them with it, so it's manual) So what I noticed is that sometimes, I drift off for a bit, and when I remember to count my breaths, I'll notice that I'm snoring. And the moment I notice that, I go back to manual breathing, and that stops. So I don't know if this has any relevance, but do I need to stop this, or what should I do with it? Is that drifting off too far anyways? Any help is appreciated.

Originally Posted by cyberetah

At the moment, my problem doesn't appear to be the transition; I'm almost certain I haven't even reached SP yet. I know myself well enough to know that once I reach SP, I'll get a massive confidence boost towards it and focus on the transition itself; As it stands, I'm still trying to get into SP and atleast see hypnogagic imagery. After that, I'm going to be focusing on the transition.

But, as a note, I tried WILDing yesterday again. I got a fair amount, but I noticed something that I can now confirm has been happening a bit recently. I'm counting from 1-10, with my breaths, and I HAVE to count manually. (If I'm counting my breaths, then I have to time them with it, so it's manual) So what I noticed is that sometimes, I drift off for a bit, and when I remember to count my breaths, I'll notice that I'm snoring. And the moment I notice that, I go back to manual breathing, and that stops. So I don't know if this has any relevance, but do I need to stop this, or what should I do with it? Is that drifting off too far anyways? Any help is appreciated.

I would recommend just focusing on being aware, and not drifting off. Maybe you could try something other then counting to keep you aware.

Originally Posted by Mancon

I would recommend just focusing on being aware, and not drifting off. Maybe you could try something other then counting to keep you aware.

Well, I can easily just stay focused and aware if I want to, but I thought if I try and stay aware then my mind won't fall asleep and I can't WILD?

Originally Posted by cyberetah

Well, I can easily just stay focused and aware if I want to, but I thought if I try and stay aware then my mind won't fall asleep and I can't WILD?

Well the trick is to stay aware enough so you don't dose off, but not too aware that you stay awake. You want to be really relaxed, and act like your sleeping but still be aware of things happening.

Originally Posted by cyberetah

I'm counting from 1-10, with my breaths, and I HAVE to count manually. (If I'm counting my breaths, then I have to time them with it, so it's manual) So what I noticed is that sometimes, I drift off for a bit, and when I remember to count my breaths, I'll notice that I'm snoring. And the moment I notice that, I go back to manual breathing, and that stops. So I don't know if this has any relevance, but do I need to stop this, or what should I do with it? Is that drifting off too far anyways? Any help is appreciated.

Just read this great guide, and found I'm having similiar problems. I tried counting breaths but kept falling asleep so I tried some basic maths. Here's what happened last night once I reached the illogical thought stage and tried to stay aware:

1+1 is 2...1+2 is 3...2+3 is 5...5+6 is 7...7+8 are rabbits...er 7+8 is 15...7-1 is 6 which is trying to kill five...

Lol that's all I remember, though an earlier attempt I got to the HH stage which had someone screaming in my ear...usually it's just whispers

There's a mental game I sometimes play, taking a six letter word and trying to make as many words out of that. I think I'll try that as maths isn't my strong point and I'm guessing the awareness achor needs to be something interesting enough to stay aware for.

Originally Posted by Milliecake

Just read this great guide, and found I'm having similiar problems. I tried counting breaths but kept falling asleep so I tried some basic maths. Here's what happened last night once I reached the illogical thought stage and tried to stay aware:

1+1 is 2...1+2 is 3...2+3 is 5...5+6 is 7...7+8 are rabbits...er 7+8 is 15...7-1 is 6 which is trying to kill five...

Lol that's all I remember, though an earlier attempt I got to the HH stage which had someone screaming in my ear...usually it's just whispers

There's a mental game I sometimes play, taking a six letter word and trying to make as many words out of that. I think I'll try that as maths isn't my strong point and I'm guessing the awareness achor needs to be something interesting enough to stay aware for.

I laughed so hard at the rabbits. From there, you can just observe your thoughts, if you'd like. That's taking most of a passive WILD approach at it.

Could I increase my chance of success by trying at different REM periods of the night? Or would multiple WBTBs in a night kill me? Maybe it would be more sensible to stretch it over a couple of days, with a different time each night.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Could I increase my chance of success by trying at different REM periods of the night? Or would multiple WBTBs in a night kill me? Maybe it would be more sensible to stretch it over a couple of days, with a different time each night.

Yeah, it would increase your chances of success. If you don't want to loos much sleep I recommend you just stretch it over a couple days.

Originally Posted by Epolsinnelli

Awesome This helps alot. btw jw if you open your eyes during SP will you see HH in our room? i always wounder that but im to afraid to try, i dont want to see some creapy person standing next to me

Yeah, it's possible.

Awesome This helps alot. btw jw if you open your eyes during SP will you see HH in our room? i always wounder that but im to afraid to try, i dont want to see some creapy person standing next to me

Not sure if I WILDed last night.

I got up at 5, sat up in my bed with the lights on for about 3 minutes, then lay back down and started counting, I got as far as 150 (though I probably counted more through attention lapses), I then rolled on to my side and carried on counting, and I think at this point I fell asleep. Next thing I remember is whiteness all around me, and a dream scene forming, and knowing it was a dream, though I remember very little of it as I was too tired to write any of it down upon awaking.

Great guide! .. I can get to SP quite easily but have trouble from there.... This help me understan that a lot better Any way... I feel like a noob but I'm double checking... Lol, should my eyes be open or closed during all of this?

Ctharlhie, sorry for the late reply. Sounds like your really close to having one. Wish you remembered more :/ Did you remember becoming lucid in it at all?

Originally Posted by Samalove

Great guide! .. I can get to SP quite easily but have trouble from there.... This help me understan that a lot better Any way... I feel like a noob but I'm double checking... Lol, should my eyes be open or closed during all of this?

Thank you! You should have your eyes closed when doing this.

Originally Posted by Mancon

Ctharlhie, sorry for the reply. Sounds like your really close to having one. Wish you remembered more :/ Did you remember becoming lucid in it at all?

There wasn't really the typical eureka moment of RCing and thinking 'this is a dream!' I just knew it was dream because I'd seen it form in front of me. So maybe it was a proper WILD seeing as I was conscious for the dream formation, but I definitely had a lengthy lapse in consciousness, very confusing :/ As always, thanks for the advice and work you put into this

If you've been keeping your eyes open then that may be a good reason you've had trouble progressing

Hey Mancon, just wondering, how many WILD attempts did it take before you succeeded? I'm just wondering if it either came naturally for you, or if it was something you had to work at.

Originally Posted by 1234567

Hey Mancon, just wondering, how many WILD attempts did it take before you succeeded? I'm just wondering if it either came naturally for you, or if it was something you had to work at.

WILDing did NOT come naturally to me. I don't don't exactly how many WILD attempts it took before one succeeded but it was a while. Once I took Naiya's WILD DVA Class, I started to have WILDs. I wasn't staying consistent with it and once I started to it all payed off.

Originally Posted by Mancon

WILDing did NOT come naturally to me. I don't don't exactly how many WILD attempts it took before one succeeded but it was a while. Once I took Naiya's WILD DVA Class, I started to have WILDs. I wasn't staying consistent with it and once I started to it all payed off.

Is that class archived anywhere or is it lost in the forum aether?

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Is that class archived anywhere or is it lost in the forum aether?

I would also like to know the answer to this. I really need all the WILD help I can get

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Is that class archived anywhere or is it lost in the forum aether?

Almost all of it was done in chat, but I am sure there are logs around somewhere.

Something you might want to add: if you have a pet, such as cat, let it sleep next to you. It's been proven that having pets nearb gives you a sense of security and makes relaxing/calming for sleep easier and faster.

Originally Posted by Darknis133

Something you might want to add: if you have a pet, such as cat, let it sleep next to you. It's been proven that having pets nearb gives you a sense of security and makes relaxing/calming for sleep easier and faster.

Actually, the reason why you shouldn't have a pet sleep next to you during your WILD attempt is because a sudden movement may shock you and ruin your attempts to get into sleep paralysis.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Actually, the reason why you shouldn't have a pet sleep next to you during your WILD attempt is because a sudden movement may shock you and ruin your attempts to get into sleep paralysis.

Pets can be good and bad. Like fOrceez said, it actually isn't recommended for WILDing since they can move suddenly and make noise.

Thanks!

I think a lot of it was done over chat. There are probably logs of it floating around somewhere.

On topic:

Nice guide overall, Mancon.

Not a huge fan of the wording in parts. For instance, "It means you go directly from waking state into the dream state. You trick your body into thinking you're asleep, but really you are awake!" makes it seem like the point of a WILD is to stay awake and never actually fall asleep, which we both know isn't the case. Still, I feel this will cause a lot of newbies to shift the balance of their attempts toward alertness and wakefulness instead of actually falling asleep, which is as necessary a part of WILDing as maintaining awareness.

The reason I believe shifting focus, and thus more balance, towards the falling asleep bit of WILDs is that it saves people tons of sleepless, frustration filled hours that could otherwise be used for something more productive. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a WILD fail in 10 minutes, lose consciousness, and have a great shot at a DILD, than lie awake in bed for an hour or three waiting to feel some tingles, only to feel disappointed by the end of it all.

Neither am I too fond of the focus on achieving SP, for the reasons already stated by Vesterguard.

But those criticisms aside, there's a lot of genuinely good advice in here that should definitely help get people headed in the right direction. What's more, you go into quite a bit of detail, cover pretty much all the bases, the format is clean, and it's extremely readable. Props to you.