Laberge WBTB or shorter?

**Zoth** · 09-13-2011 11:20 PM

In explore the world of lucid dreamer of Stephen LaBerge, he mentions a good way to spend a big chunk of your sleeping cycle in REM, is waking up after 3/4 hours, then staying up for 2 hours and then induce WILD or your prefered technique.

When I tried it yesterday:

- WILD wasn't working (I seemed too awaken). When I calmed myself down and my mind was empty, I could feel hypnagogic images and body sensations, but unless I had a false awakening, nothing happened for 1 hour of trying. I slept and had my longest and most vivid/detailed dream.

Tried it today: WILD keeps not working and I actually took 30mins to empty my mind and relax before going bed.

So, should I turn around every 10minutes and keep myself awaken until the WILD works? Or make shorter WBTB?

**AURON** · 09-14-2011 12:20 AM

I would recommend shortening the amount of time you're up in order to go back to sleep easier. There's a lot of trial and error involved, so you'll have to play around with it for a while.

**MadMonkey** · 09-14-2011 12:28 AM

You need to find out what works best for you. It doesn't really matter how long you stay up as long as you become aware and prepare for lucid. Also use it as a chance to wright down your dreams. If you have a hard time falling back to sleep then stay up as short as you need. You might only need 5 or 10 minuites to get out of bed, wright down your dreams, go to the bathroom and go back to bed. I myself usualy don't stay up longer than 15 minuites although sometimes I take 45 minuites to eat breakfast and read dreamviews ect. Do some experimenting and find how long to stay up in order to get the perfect balance between wakefullness and tiredness.

**BeeClock** · 09-14-2011 01:16 AM

I think he was talking about waking up a little sooner than usual and then taking a late morning nap (since REM periods become longer later in the morning).

**Zoth** · 09-14-2011 02:29 AM

Yup beeblock it's that what I'm talking about

But thanks for the tips guys, I will try and focus on making the WILD happens before I do these late morning naps

**BeeClock** · 09-14-2011 03:13 AM

Good luck

**Zoth** · 09-14-2011 07:15 PM

Just came to say: Lucid dream

Problem is I entered in sleep paralysis when I was trying to fall asleep (spent 30minutes very unconfortable in WILD, never remind to notice the position when I wake up and the one I try seems to make me really uncorfotable after some minutes).

Now just need to learn how to keep doing WILD and start stabilizing the dreams (my lds are super short atm).