Thread: Can you DEILD after moving?

1) Yes I remember moving a bit every now and then and usually it has no effect on me since I'm quite groggy and did it by accident

2) Rarely do I notice a difference, I have mucked it up sometimes and I would just have to WILD. In most cases of just twitching or a hand movement it makes no difference.

3) Yes a lot of the time, I often realize that I'm waking up from a dream and that usually when I do it. I guess you could consider this already being slightly awake or being lucid in the last few seconds of the dreams, but it is more of a habit than a conscious action.

Yes, you can still do DEILD if you've moved a bit. It's like WILD, sort of. If you have an itch during WILD, as long as you don't think about it, it doesn't really affect it. That's what DEILD is like. Say you just have to turn off an alarm clock, reach over, turn it off, and then you can still do DEILD.
Now onto my experiences..
1. Yes, I have. I have had 2 DEILDs after moving and opening my eyes.
2. The time seemed the same to me, but the dream itself was pretty short.
3. Yes I have. It happens a lot to me. When the dream is ending I realize it's a dream and wake myself up, then I do DEILD.

The alarm clock example is what strikes me as important. You can stay in a mentally suppressed 90% asleep state while your hand reflexively shuts off your alarm.
1) yes 2) no 3) yes.

Originally Posted by sivason

The alarm clock example is what strikes me as important. You can stay in a mentally suppressed 90% asleep state while your hand reflexively shuts off your alarm.

Would you say this event could be used to DEILD?

"If you’ve ever been talking to someone and they asked you if you had been sleeping when they called you the previous night and you didn’t remember being on the phone at all, then you’ve experienced this phenomenon. These are rare because the real memory usually kicks back on after only a few seconds, but certain conditions can cause it to stay dormant. Lack of sleep is one; your mind is still sorting itself out and needs more time before turning on again"

I actually do use an alarm to increase DEILDs. I set it to a non jarring tone, so it will not force complete and sudden awareness. I have it set so that shaking my phone makes it go into snooze. I set the snooze time for 30 minutes. The trick is to remain almost totally asleep, simply doing the minimal task needed to hit snooze (picking up the phone and setting it back down in my case). Then try your DEILD like normal. I may simply become observant of my interior world, passively trying to watch. Then if it goes well a dream forms and off you go.

Of course, if you get an amzingly long LD or a series, then the 30 minute snooze may interupt it, but that is pretty rare. I will often do this about 4 times, so that starting at 6-7 hours sleep, I then make 4 DEILD attempts, before really getting up for the day.

Yes. I have reentered a dream after moving, opening my eyes and talking.

1. Yes, when I am sleepy enough it is possible. Also when I feel like I have enough energy, i.e. sleepy but not tired.
2. Usually it's quite fast. It either works or it doesn't, I also have a little bodily hunch when it will work.
3. Not usually the case for me at the moment, although the way dutchraptor seems to do it is a good practice. In most cases it has happened for me was after a nightmare actually, emotions are so strong that even if I wake up quite a lot and move, I can easily be pulled back into the dream while being aware of it. Not a very pleasant thing though!

Yes. I actually rely on movement when i deild because i have a rolling technique that i do immediately upon awakening. When im successful i'll get the vibrations, get up from my bed and start exploring the dreamscape that is my room. :-)

1. Yes, Especially when I'm really tired movement doesn't really affect it
2. Nope, It generally takes about the same time as if I don't move
3. Yes, If I remember the non LD strong enough I can reenter it.

P.S. thinking you can't move with deild might cause kind of a placebo effect where you believe you can't deild after moving and lose out on a good chance of a LD

1) Yes, for sure. Though, in my experience, the more you move, the more you lower that "imaginary" success rate %. More so with larger body movements it seems. I'd say that the opening of your eyes can cause mental road blocks more so than physical ones. Ex: "Shit! I opened my eyes, its over now!"

2) Not really all that noticeable, for the most part. It seems that the time for the transition to start is generally within the same time frame. The transition itself seems to vary a bit more. Some are "clean" and happen almost instantly. Others resemble more of a standard WILD experience with vibrations/hallucinations.

3) Many times I have "caught myself" waking up. Basically, becoming aware before I have fully woke from sleep. These are more rare though, because I'm not usually ready to try and enter a DEILD if it wasn't pre-planned/already lucid. I tend to miss my window of opportunity. If its after a lucid dream, I rarely ever fail to pop right back into a LD using DEILD.

Yes, you can definitely still DEILD after moving a bit, though the transition is much smoother and the likelyhood of getting right back into the dream you just left much better if you manage to hold physically and psychically still.

1. Yes. In fact, I have a nasty habit of rolling over during DEILD (which I don't recommend, BTW). I have managed the occasional DEILD after opening my eyes (I even held onto a dream while running to the bathroom a couple of times), but generally once my eyes open and I allow reality in, the dream tends to quickly fade. They have to truly be "open," though, so don't give up on the first eyelid flutter!

2. Not really. By its nature, DEILD is a continuous "flow" that doesn't suffer much pause time between waking and sleep. Most of my DEILD transitions are just a few seconds ... there are, of course, always exceptions, but even the longer waits, sometimes as long as ten minutes, aren't really the same sort of waits that occur in WILD because the presence of your last dream and the lingering insistence of REM make the wait itself quite dreamy.

3. Sure. I highly recommend it, because it gives you an opportunity to "finish" your NLD, continue an exciting scene, or perhaps go back to give a little lucid push to ensure that your dream will make it into long-term memory.

Interesting topic, Zoth!