Seems to me this is what people mean when to WILD is to "fall asleep." |
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WILD. Everyone says it's just laying still for a really long time, and focusing on something. The hard part is staying still. People make many threads on how stressful it is to stay still, or fret about swallowing, or hypnic jerks, or some other minor motion. |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
Seems to me this is what people mean when to WILD is to "fall asleep." |
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I am posting on topic elsewhere for the most part.
My DJ here at DVs, Realized Aspiration only contains old dreams. I'll be around for the occasional chat, and some unfinished/unstarted RPs.
And you, yeah you, with the ice cream hands. You, yeah you, are my friend. ~ Still my mentor, and an awesome guy.
There's another topic on this forum that says when your body stays still for a prolonged period of time, your body probes your mind to see if it's asleep. That would be the itches, twitches, cramps, persistent feelings of discomfort, etc. If you ignore them and continue to stay still, your mind stays awake but your body is tricked into thinking it's asleep. Then the body falls asleep (SP, numbness, etc.) but your mind is awake, which is the perfect conditions for a WILD. |
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LD Tasks:
[ ] Have a bloody LD
[ ] Play lead guitar and/or vocals in a rock concert with TONS of people (yeah I've been playing a lot of Rock Band lately... lol)
[ ] Beat the tar out of select people...
I'm more inclined to believe that the mind probes the body, not the other way around. I believe this is done consciously during a WILD. Otherwise, why do we fall asleep every night when our body still moves? |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
I am posting on topic elsewhere for the most part.
My DJ here at DVs, Realized Aspiration only contains old dreams. I'll be around for the occasional chat, and some unfinished/unstarted RPs.
And you, yeah you, with the ice cream hands. You, yeah you, are my friend. ~ Still my mentor, and an awesome guy.
Well I'm just parroting what I've already read, but it sounded pretty convincing to me... I dunno there were quite a few people that said it was true... yeah I dunno. |
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LD Tasks:
[ ] Have a bloody LD
[ ] Play lead guitar and/or vocals in a rock concert with TONS of people (yeah I've been playing a lot of Rock Band lately... lol)
[ ] Beat the tar out of select people...
Well, isn't this the thing with the body testing if you're asleep? |
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Last edited by Maeni; 04-03-2008 at 02:56 PM.
I think when we fall asleep naturally, the mind shuts down before the body. Therefore, you are remaining still. I conjecture that every night, you have imaginary itches and discomforts, it's just that when you fall asleep naturally, your mind is unconscious and doesn't notice. Therefore, it doesn't move to scratch them or to change position. So you do remain still, automatically, just like what we're trying to recreate in the stillness technique of WILD. |
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This myth drives me nuts too. I see so many people failing at their wilds because they think all they need to do is remain absolutely still. This is wrong wrong wrong in my experience. The first time I ever heard this (in 10 years of LDing) was when I read Jeff777's tutorial on tricking your body into falling asleep. |
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I am posting on topic elsewhere for the most part.
My DJ here at DVs, Realized Aspiration only contains old dreams. I'll be around for the occasional chat, and some unfinished/unstarted RPs.
And you, yeah you, with the ice cream hands. You, yeah you, are my friend. ~ Still my mentor, and an awesome guy.
I agree, I just tried it yesterday, it's hard to explain, but I imagined myself being on my bike, imagining what it looks like, imagining the feeling of driving around, sometimes doing the front wheel jump thing, and while doing it I tried to imagine what it would be like to move my consciousness... |
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And, moved. |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
This is interesting. |
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Yeah. Actually, when my friend and I began to LD he focused on WILD while I focused on DILD. When I finally decided to try WILD he told me that you can move while doing it unlike what some tutorials say. |
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Last edited by DarkLucideity; 05-03-2009 at 01:09 AM.
The reason is because even though when you go to sleep normally & you naturally move and find a comfy spot, during those times you're not entirely aware of your moving. However when you're WILDing you're conscious enough to notice every twitch, and trying to STAY conscious the whole time. If you're conscious of it the whole time it would make it harder for your body to sleep. Just like how you wont fall asleep while you're walking even if your mind in a very meditative state. |
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Hmm, i have to admit, I don't think that staying still is entirely necessary either. I've tried to remain completely frozen on multiple occassions, and every time I'm able to stay still for at least twenty minutes. Every time I've attempted this I just get restless, and my focus shifts to how uncomfortable my body is. |
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I think it all depends on what exactly you do when you move, if you gently move your leg to get more comfortable then I don't think it will effect your WILD at all. If you however violently kick your legs around and scratch furiously at your itch then ya, your gonna wake your body up. It's all about how it's done. I like to imagine that my conscious mind is separate from my body and is floating rihgt above it. It tends to work for me!! |
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For many the idea of focusing on laying still just keeps them awake. They stay alert and expect something to happen ranther than relaxing and shifting awareness. Granted my WILDs have be done just as I exited sleep but as I woke before them I know how it feels to be in the zone. Most of the time when I've felt vibrations I failed it as I expected to fall into a dream. In my expereince it's all about forgetting about your body and just going with it. |
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I'm confused. I have learned that WILD is entering a lucid dream through the use of SP. If WILD has nothing to do with SP, then what is WILD? How/what do you do? |
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- Futuristic/sci-fi/cyberpunk big city
- Fantasy role-playing game
- Flight and other super powers
- Use lucid dreaming as a study-aid
- Personal development, inner peace etc
You know, in using the advice from KingYoshi, I was able to enter my first WILD in less than 40 minutes. His advice is to change your postition every 10-15 min. until you start feeling the paralysis. It actually works! I only had to lay still for 10 min. or so and then move instead of laying still for two HOURS. So, I don't think it's absolutely imperative that you never move, but that you limit your movement. |
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cloud, did you have pre-sleep before you tried that? |
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If somebody's trying to stay still to the point that it's physically painful, that's pretty counter-productive. Same with scratching an itch or swallowing. |
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