The WILD variation thread

[Kraftwerk]

I'm on a quest. I'd like to come up with some new variations of wilds, and find some more obscure ones. I want to know what you've had success with wilding, and what odd variants you've used, and what ideas you have in the future. Lets start experimenting and try to find something ground breaking like FILD!

[Xibran123]

The FILD technique is freaking gorgeous. I've always gotten LD's from it. And no scary hypnogogic feelings. It's great.

[LouieO]

Personally I do something I call NSSWILD, natural sleep simulation wake induced lucid dream. I basically just try to act exactly like I would were I going to sleep. For simulating being awake, I: 1. relax my entire body. 2. Visualize some object and play with it in my imagination for about five minutes. 3. count backwards from ten 4. slowly, slowly turn over onto another side or move my limbs. Then I repeat from 2 to 4 about 3 times, and then decide I have officially 'fallen asleep,' upon which I: 1. Repeatedly count from one up to four, and start again at one, like in music in common time (I guess I could experiment with waltzes and stuff though ) and with each number I say picture an image really fast to be like hypnogogic imagery. 2. After SP, I visualize a dream scene, and from there basically VILD. This method is REALLY efficient and fast for me, and works better than anything else I've tried, so feel free to give it a whirl!

[Kraftwerk]

I'll give it a try and report back! Thanks

[LouieO]

Ok, and definitely report back! I'm going to have my brother test it too. Edit: my brother is Ortecian, if you've seen him, just wanted to clarify

[LiveInTheDream]

Personally I do something I call NSSWILD, natural sleep simulation wake induced lucid dream. I basically just try to act exactly like I would were I going to sleep. For simulating being awake, I: 1. relax my entire body. 2. Visualize some object and play with it in my imagination for about five minutes. 3. count backwards from ten 4. slowly, slowly turn over onto another side or move my limbs. Then I repeat from 2 to 4 about 3 times, and then decide I have officially 'fallen asleep,' upon which I: 1. Repeatedly count from one up to four, and start again at one, like in music in common time (I guess I could experiment with waltzes and stuff though ) and with each number I say picture an image really fast to be like hypnogogic imagery. 2. After SP, I visualize a dream scene, and from there basically VILD. This method is REALLY efficient and fast for me, and works better than anything else I've tried, so feel free to give it a whirl! I'm going to give this one a test run, too

[ReegalBeegal]

Well ive recently just started WILD'ing and I have had really good success listening to my heartbeat to keep consciousness. I can hear it in my ears and feel it in my hands when they are interlaced together. It really keeps your focus very high and still allows you to relax into the SP. You can also count down or up to the beats of your heart. People with high resting heartrates may have a difficult time hearing or feeling your own heartbeat.

[LiveInTheDream]

well, I can confirm the NSSWILD method as good...I didn't go through all the way to a dream because I was really tired when I tried it, but I got to SP and HI really fast, so when I'm not as tired I'm sure this will work for me

[BigFan]

Personally I do something I call NSSWILD, natural sleep simulation wake induced lucid dream. I basically just try to act exactly like I would were I going to sleep. For simulating being awake, I: 1. relax my entire body. 2. Visualize some object and play with it in my imagination for about five minutes. 3. count backwards from ten 4. slowly, slowly turn over onto another side or move my limbs. Then I repeat from 2 to 4 about 3 times, and then decide I have officially 'fallen asleep,' upon which I: 1. Repeatedly count from one up to four, and start again at one, like in music in common time (I guess I could experiment with waltzes and stuff though ) and with each number I say picture an image really fast to be like hypnogogic imagery. 2. After SP, I visualize a dream scene, and from there basically VILD. This method is REALLY efficient and fast for me, and works better than anything else I've tried, so feel free to give it a whirl! Sounds like an interesting method. Do you try this after 5-6hr of sleep, because, I don't see it working when you first go to sleep unless you have a REM rebound. Also, wouldn't step 4 wake you up even if you move slowly? I mean this sounds like a WILD with some imagination so some MILD mixed in as well.

[LouieO]

Sometimes I do it with WBTB, but not always. and there is a little bit of actual science behind the method. This is how the human body normally falls asleep, so it makes sense to speed things along by going to the next step and not doing totally artificial stay-rock-rigid method. The relaxation and slow turning relax the mind and body often (for me) down to delta or even theta wavelength levels from what I've judged, which helps speed up the process a lot. And simulating hypnogogia and a dream scene can cause both of them to come.

[BigFan]

Sometimes I do it with WBTB, but not always. and there is a little bit of actual science behind the method. This is how the human body normally falls asleep, so it makes sense to speed things along by going to the next step and not doing totally artificial stay-rock-rigid method. The relaxation and slow turning relax the mind and body often (for me) down to delta or even theta wavelength levels from what I've judged, which helps speed up the process a lot. And simulating hypnogogia and a dream scene can cause both of them to come. hmm, I may try this tonight. I do understand the science behind it. Do you mind telling me how you believe that you've hit delta? Just wondering is all

[IndigoGhost]

I'm on a quest. I'd like to come up with some new variations of wilds, and find some more obscure ones. I want to know what you've had success with wilding, and what odd variants you've used, and what ideas you have in the future. Lets start experimenting and try to find something ground breaking like FILD! I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was, WILD'ing is my real test and SP is the cause.

[Sesquipedalian]

I have one that I haven't released to the general public yet. It is the CCILD or Complex Character Induced Lucid Dream. Basically, you come up with a character that has many 'facets' to them, like you would for writing a long story. Then, make them 'come to life' in your mind. When you go to bed or during a WBTB, strike up conversation that is interesting and can go on for a long time, while ignoring whatever sensations you experience. Eventually, you can enter an LD. The way this works is that keeping the conversation going requires logic. The flow is also a means of tracking how you are doing. (random tangent = losing it a little) For more detail, I have a thread in research. I've used this to break my year-long dry spell, but I still need more proof before i give it over to the noobs. (It seems a little nutty, and I would rather have a real, working technique for those starting out than a made up one that can drive people away.)

[beachgirl]

interesting re the CCILD... .is it a type of MILD? but then i wonder, doesn't REM require a suspension of logic? so my mind wonders, which way to go on this... thanks for posting!

[TalkingHead]

interesting re the CCILD... .is it a type of MILD? but then i wonder, doesn't REM require a suspension of logic? so my mind wonders, which way to go on this... thanks for posting! So have you had any luck with the complex character induced lucid dream? It seems like a really creative idea. I'm going to try this tonight-- I feel like if the character is given enough "lucid" intention it will work out in some way.

[Taromon777]

I have one that I haven't released to the general public yet. It is the CCILD or Complex Character Induced Lucid Dream. Basically, you come up with a character that has many 'facets' to them, like you would for writing a long story. Then, make them 'come to life' in your mind. When you go to bed or during a WBTB, strike up conversation that is interesting and can go on for a long time, while ignoring whatever sensations you experience. Eventually, you can enter an LD. The way this works is that keeping the conversation going requires logic. The flow is also a means of tracking how you are doing. (random tangent = losing it a little) For more detail, I have a thread in research. I've used this to break my year-long dry spell, but I still need more proof before i give it over to the noobs. (It seems a little nutty, and I would rather have a real, working technique for those starting out than a made up one that can drive people away.) Sounds like a good idea, I've created some characters for my novel so I could talk to them! (In fact it was them who I was playing football with.)

[Sesquipedalian]

beachgirl: First off, I think that the CCILD is a WILD in the fact that it does not use a mantra to set off a DILD. It uses a constantly changing subject to keep the mind working. (check on the definitions if you have any doubts) Second, REM does not require the suspension of logic, as far as I'm aware. How can you have LDs if you have absolutely no logic? How could you remember goals at all? In any case, it should keep you aware enough to make it into a dream while still conscious. THAT is an LD. (if you are aware of it) Taromon: Thanks, I have two more threads up if you need any info. I would love to hear how it works from as many people as possible.

[beachgirl]

hey... good point about the WILD vs. MILD re the logic: i heard the neo-cortex is "down" which explains the weird logic we get in dreams but i am not a dream scientist warmly, bg~~~

[IndigoGhost]

hey... good point about the WILD vs. MILD re the logic: i heard the neo-cortex is "down" which explains the weird logic we get in dreams but i am not a dream scientist warmly, bgg~~~ Thats pretty much correct