Thread: Why You Fail at WILDs

Originally Posted by StareHed

I have a question for you Mzzkc,

You are saying that falling asleep is the most important step of a WILD, which I like because up till now I haven't actually read anything that places the due importance on actually falling asleep. Anyways I tend to be an "energetic sleeper" as I like to call it. Which means that my routine of falling asleep usually consists of much scratching, rolling, changing of positions, re-situating of blankets etc. and overall a lot of movement. Now for most of my WILD attempts I have stuck to the rigorous guideline of no-movement whatsoever. I have attempted WILD's both on my back and side, my side being my normal sleeping position. But I have never moved, this often results in me thinking about how much I would like to itch that itch in that spot, and that other spot, and that third spot, or me thinking of how nice it would be to move my hand out from under the much-to-hot blanket and into the relieving cool air of on top of my belly.

Does this mean that it is okay for me to partake in my normal falling asleep routine and still be able to WILD?
or am I doomed to be mocked by unyielding itches on my face and other such places if I am to ever be a successful WILD'er?

I am of the opinion you can move as much as you want to during an attempt in order to get comfortable. That's not the usual consensus, but I see comfort as a priority during attempts. Yes, it's probably not the best idea to move about constantly, but if you need to move around before you can fall asleep, feel free.

One thing I know for sure: scratching an itch is fine and only sets you back as much as you let it. The important thing is you don't focus on it. Scratch it and be done with it.

I look forward to seeing what new results this more relaxed approach can generate, I appreciate it Mzzkc.

Originally Posted by Motley

I tried this technique today during a nap, I was dying of sleepiness and still had a night of homework ahead. I turned on the AC and tried to focus on that but but quickly lost consciousness. What did I do wrong and what else can I use to keep consciousness? Counting has always made me sleepy too and I usually end up passing out.

I think it's important to note what I shared isn't a technique. It's an idea designed to help people develop and/or perfect their own WILD method. As it is, finding the best way to anchor yourself is up to you, I personally don't use anything anymore, but anchors do make things easier for most people.

Anchors can be anything external that doesn't greatly impact your ability to fall asleep. For instance, noise, temperature variations, wind from a fan, wearing/not wearing socks or other clothes are all possible anchors. Then there are internal ways to keep awareness like counting, repeating a phrase, etc.

My advice to you: keep at the AC thing for awhile, as it's a fairly good idea as long as it's loud enough. One attempt just isn't enough to see if it's right for you. If it's still failing 15+ attempts later and you know there's nothing you can personally do to better your results, conduct some research and try something different.

Remember, even with the knowledge I've shared throughout this thread, WILDs still take a lot of practice.

Hi Mzzkc, I am trying to achieve WILD for few days and I keep failing in it.Today I tried like 7-8 times, spend whole day in bed with no success Problem is if I focus to be asleep I fell asleep and had normal dreams. But If I focus on being awake, I awake for hours. What should I do to bring my consciousness? I tried counting and counted to 900 in same position without moving, It took like 30-40 mins and nothing happened. I have few questions if you are or anyone that experienced in WILD can answer, I will be happy

- How much time should it take achieve WILD? If its variable for person to person, what is Min or Max time?
So if it was like 10 mins, and if I spend 90 mins on same thing, instead of working one, i will prefer to try it for 9 times Normally I fell asleep in like 10 minutes. I think it should work in 10 mins, right?

- How can I know I get SP? or Is it important to know?
Okay I feel some tingle and vibration. Then a little sense is lost from my hands, arms and some parts of my body. But none of them is completely lost. And I feel my body on the bed. And after 1 hours of same position If I want to change my position I can. Seems I don't get SP... But when I move after 1 hour, every part of me vibrates a little. And I am asking myself "Am I broke SP period?"

- How to bring consciousness to dream? Or How you guys spend your time between lying bed to lucid dream?
Should I count? or Count my breathe? or construct the dream itself? like imagining some random place and put myself on it?
Sometimes my mind plays music... Should I mute it or listen it over and over?
Should focus? Focus on what?

I've already gone over all of your questions in this thread. Hell, one of them was even discussed in the OP.

I'd really like you to 'get it', but if you don't take the time to read and understand what's already been covered, that's on you.

I think one of the greates obstacles to overcome in order to have WILD's is fear. The common thing is to read the word fear and immediately form an opinion, I agree or disagree. However whether you do or do not agree, think about fear and what it actually represents. Its all encompassing in many people's lives. Much of the conditioning done by society and the decisions that are made, are influenced greatly by fear. To discover the true magnitude of fear, think, I mean really think about how much its a pat of your life, a part of our society, a part of yourself or people you know and love. If you are having trouble with WILD's, I strongly suggest you take a good, long, hard and very self honest look at fear and see how it impacts you life as a whole. Being honest with yourself is the hardest part because many times you lack the true desire or awareness to look at fear and recognize it for what it is. My point here is not to induce or scare anyone, but rather to open your awareness up to a real possibility as to why you may be failing when trying to WILD.

This is different to what I always heard. I will attempt this way.

I agree 100%. this is something i realized as well after researching the WILD guides. the fatal flaw in ALL of them is that they fail to mention that you just need to go bed (fall asleep) as you usually do but watch the entire thing. in fact i learned to WILD by accident one night when i wanted to attempt WILDing but was too tired to count numbers and go through all those relaxation techniques and daydreamed instead, creating a awareness as i fell asleep. I think guides over complicate things when in fact its so simple.you dont even need any steps! Your own Experiences is the number one thing that will help you Get lucid, not fancy complicated guides. Experimenting and trying new things and twists on guides is what has helped me get the most success. More newbies need to be told this before hand but i guess it really isnt something you can teach :/ in fact im sure i wouldn't have understood this post had i not learned this myself the hard way. As a result you can try to teach this, but i think its as impossible as trying to teach the wisdom of experience. you learn from what you do, not from what you read. But, im ranting >_> you get double thumbs up! :bravo:

Wow, great thread, I really liked your post, but here's my problem;

So I tried WILDing this morning, I did WBTB at 5:30 in the morning, and I went to bed at 12:30, so that's 5 hours. Unfortunately I wasn't very tired (which is strange because I only slept for 5 hours...) but I WILDed anyways, after about 15 minutes, I started half dozing off, but right when I was at the edge of consciousness, I felt like a wave of energy surge through my body, I felt a few more, but then they stopped. I was still partially paralysed, but nothing more happened, so I waited about 20 more minutes, and nothing happened. I think it may have been because those waves sort of woke me up, and I got excited. What am I doing wrong, and what are some tips, or advice on how to stay tired, yet focused at the same time?

I think your thread highlighted a key point in WILDing, namely (in my case anyway), that the only time I successfully WILDed was a night when I wasn't trying to.

Originally Posted by Restless

Wow, great thread, I really liked your post, but here's my problem;

So I tried WILDing this morning, I did WBTB at 5:30 in the morning, and I went to bed at 12:30, so that's 5 hours. Unfortunately I wasn't very tired (which is strange because I only slept for 5 hours...) but I WILDed anyways, after about 15 minutes, I started half dozing off, but right when I was at the edge of consciousness, I felt like a wave of energy surge through my body, I felt a few more, but then they stopped. I was still partially paralysed, but nothing more happened, so I waited about 20 more minutes, and nothing happened. I think it may have been because those waves sort of woke me up, and I got excited. What am I doing wrong, and what are some tips, or advice on how to stay tired, yet focused at the same time?

You got pretty close, but most likely paid the sensations too much attention. Simply acknowledging their existence is all you should really be doing, but even then it's best to just ignore them. The more control over your emotions you have, the easier this is to do.

Another red flag I'm seeing here is that you "waited about 20 more minutes." There shouldn't be any waiting done while WILDing. And if you are waiting for anything in your WILD attempts, then I highly suggest you rethink your approach.

I definitely think you're on to something here Mzzkc. During successful WILDS, I spend between 20 and 60 minutes relaxing, feeling energy build up, counting my "chakras" over and over, listening to the fan, staring into my eyelids etc. Eventually there is a pause. I think the pause is me falling asleep. Then I mysteriously find myself waking up in the vibrations/sounds. I never know how long the pause was. It could be one second, or it could be 15 minutes. There's no way to know because there is no memory recording the passage of time during the pause. After the vibrations my dream body can leave the bed.

... MIND = BLOWN!

Amazing is the only way I can describe this tutorial! I had to read it twice before it really sank in but it all just makes perfect sense.

Thank you, Mzzkc!

I move around a bit before falling asleep. Go ahead and scratch, shift, and fidget all you want. That is all part of what relaxes you for sleep. Think of it as the relaxation stage outlined in most WILD guides. After all that, when you feel like you are at the point where you are about to drift off, start your awareness exercise. You need to be real close to sleep, hovering right on the edge before you can really hit it hard with WILD.

Many WILD guides rely on some sort of trance induction to get you close to a sleeping state. This is fine, if it works for you. If you have a history with meditation or trance induction, go for it. If you can't bring yourself to this state by force of will (like 99.99% of us), just rely on what you naturally do every night. Your normal routine for falling asleep is essentially the same thing.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I move around a bit before falling asleep. Go ahead and scratch, shift, and fidget all you want. That is all part of what relaxes you for sleep. Think of it as the relaxation stage outlined in most WILD guides. After all that, when you feel like you are at the point where you are about to drift off, start your awareness exercise. You need to be real close to sleep, hovering right on the edge before you can really hit it hard with WILD.

Many WILD guides rely on some sort of trance induction to get you close to a sleeping state. This is fine, if it works for you. If you have a history with meditation or trance induction, go for it. If you can't bring yourself to this state by force of will (like 99.99% of us), just rely on what you naturally do every night. Your normal routine for falling asleep is essentially the same thing.

It's unfortunate that this isn't as obvious as it should be. Perhaps the biggest point of this thread was to bring to the forefront a simple fact that most up-and-coming WILDers fail to recognize. This failure (which I believe originates from a gross misunderstanding of the WILD process, due largely to how most WILD tutorials have been presented over the years) often results in these individuals going about their attempts in less than productive ways. Although I don't claim that this idea is in any way new (it's in the definition of the term for crying out loud), I think you'd be surprised by how much of a difference it makes to go into attempts with the mindset of falling asleep, instead of the more common 'WILD mentality.' That alone was enough of a tip to help a friend of mine break her WILD dry spell on her very next attempt.

Would a possible awareness exercise be to put on music and try to register the lyrics? I'm a singer, so listening to lyrics is a natural think for me, but could the sound of a human voice throw off my ability to fall asleep in the end?

Great tutorial. I think this was something that most WILDs missed. The idea of falling asleep is very fundamental to WILD because if you are focusing on staying awake, well, guess you, you will stay awake. Originally, when I started WILDing, I would do this mistake but then I noticed that I have to fall asleep while retaining awareness which is what I've been practicing since. I haven't had much success yet though, since, I haven't done much WILDing afterwards. I think people should just sleep like normal, but, keep the idea of staying aware in the back of their minds, this way they aren't disturbing their sleep but will still become awaren when the shift is happening or is over

Originally Posted by Connermac

Would a possible awareness exercise be to put on music and try to register the lyrics? I'm a singer, so listening to lyrics is a natural think for me, but could the sound of a human voice throw off my ability to fall asleep in the end?

I've had several successful WILDs where I used music (with lyrics) as an anchor. However, I stopped doing that because the music would transfer over into the dream state and distract the hell out of me.

thanks. I joined because of WILD.
I tried it about 10 times and just gave up.

When I tried it I would have a growing itch, getting wider, and worse, until I just couldn't take it anymore. Then I had to move. I itched it quickly and moved back (my thoughts said I wasted 20 minutes). Then it still itched and I rolled over itching everything that itched until I had no more itches, falling asleep to have non-lucid dreams.

recently i tried to wild for my first time and counted as my anchor around 100 or so i started to forget about it i didnt count or repeat any numbers but some 10 seconds later i would remember and count though i would keep losing my focus. but i managed to get SP. so is this wat you mean by keeping tabs on it or am i doing it wrong

You shouldn't be putting any focus on the counting. It should be a mental process that occurs on entirely separate level from your main stream of consciousness. Quite honestly, I really don't recommend you use counting as an awareness technique if you don't already have the capacity for thinking on several levels at once. But even in those cases, it's still more suited for relaxation purposes than anything else.

So forget the tutorials where one should focus on not moving and not scratching ect. . . and just fall asleep naturally but just before you doze off you focus on something like counting or music am i getting this wrong? Can i listen to iso-tones?

Kinda. I wouldn't knock the other tutorials, as some of them can be very helpful. Really, what I presented here is a mindset I feel people should approach WILDing with. Putting the focus on falling asleep first and foremost oftentimes yields better results than when one puts all their attention on maintaining awareness and "performing a WILD."

I don't see a problem with using iso-tones, as long as you can fall asleep with them on.

Nice I get your drift, especially for people who struggle falling asleep in general this method will be best suited. Thx mate