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      ^^ Hmm. Putting hypnic-jerk to work does seem like a new route; at least I've never heard of it.

      Corralling a body function into a mind function seems a difficult task, but if you can pull it off, I think you will indeed have lots of success... of course, you will have the success; I almost never experience hypnic-jerks, so I can only watch from the sidelines as you develop your plan.

      Interesting tip. I might just give it a try; thanks!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ Hmm. Putting hypnic-jerk to work does seem like a new route; at least I've never heard of it.

      Corralling a body function into a mind function seems a difficult task, but if you can pull it off, I think you will indeed have lots of success... of course, you will have the success; I almost never experience hypnic-jerks, so I can only watch from the sidelines as you develop your plan.

      Interesting tip. I might just give it a try; thanks!
      I'm gonna give my best shot^^

      p.s. If I can find my old notes I can send you my own meditation technique I developed years ago. It gives the feeling you are high on LSD
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      Argh, Darn fake pens. My old notes got busted because of the humidity, I will try to recreate it by memory alone.

      On other hand I have some questions related to WILD. Here is the list.

      1)Did you ever tried FILD? Did it work like described or it is just an urban legend?

      2)While repeating your mantra did you ever reach dream state without realizing it, I mean it happen so fast that you thought, you fail and you are about to suffer insomnia.

      3)Did you ever found an object or DC(though that is not their true name) that is brighter and more colorful than the rest or even rainbow colored and can give you certain vibe while being lucid of course, unless you become lucid from meeting/finding that DC/object?

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      [Huh... I thought I posted a response to this yesterday; I wonder where it went? Oh well...]

      Quote Originally Posted by StarSeeker View Post
      1)Did you ever tried FILD? Did it work like described or it is just an urban legend?
      Nope. At first I thought it was a joke, that someone was making fun of all those ILD's.... I mean, seriously, Finger? But after reading about it, it does seem a viable, if very silly, technique for WILD. I never tried it, though, as I'm comfortable with what I got.

      2)While repeating your mantra did you ever reach dream state without realizing it, I mean it happen so fast that you thought, you fail and you are about to suffer insomnia.
      Sure, but only when I've lost enough focus that I fail to notice he transition. Mantras help with focus; they don't cure a lack of it.

      3)Did you ever found an object or DC(though that is not their true name) that is brighter and more colorful than the rest or even rainbow colored and can give you certain vibe while being lucid of course, unless you become lucid from meeting/finding that DC/object?
      I'm not sure I understand the question, but I have found several unique objects in LD's and NLD's over the years; objects that seemed to transcend the dream, defy accurate description, and were very important to me at the time. And yes, when the objects appeared during NLD's, lucidity always followed. Not so much with DC's, though: lots of inexplicable strangers, sure, and a few DC's were more important to me than others, but no "brighter or more colorful" ones that I remember. Oh, and in both cases none ever appeared rainbow-colored.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post

      Sure, but only when I've lost enough focus that I fail to notice the transition. Mantras help with focus; they don't cure a lack of it.
      Lol if I focus too much I can't fall asleep, in some other tip on DV a guy said "You must be prepared everything to happen and ignore it, but don't wait something to happen". So are you expecting to hit a SP?

      Tonight on multiple occasions I tried WILD and get the following experience:
      I was repeating my mantra synced to my breathing and suddenly was awaken by my family, we talked, do stuff and even I get out of the house for a short while. When returned I got in bed again and start to repeat my mantra again to only be awaken by loud bang noise comming from the outside, an astronaut had trown a rock at my window, I yelled at him to go catch the ship and get out of here, because he was disturbing my WILD induction. I get back in the bed and start repeating my mantra again while trying to fall asleep, next minute I woke up in my real bed while still repeating the mantra and realized what had happened.^^

      I'm not sure I understand the question, but I have found several unique objects in LD's and NLD's over the years; objects that seemed to transcend the dream, defy accurate description, and were very important to me at the time. And yes, when the objects appeared during NLD's, lucidity always followed. Not so much with DC's, though: lots of inexplicable strangers, sure, and a few DC's were more important to me than others, but no "brighter or more colorful" ones that I remember. Oh, and in both cases none ever appeared rainbow-colored.
      I read your OP and just found one more similarity between us, interesting.

      By that I mean you are in a dream (even when lucid), and nothing about the dream seems to have anything at all to do with you, your life, the people you know, etc. All the dream characters are strangers, the setting is completely unusual, and the plot of the dream relates to nothing in your life, your fantasies, or even, as best you can tell, waking life residue. I do not mean that you are watching the dream like it’s a movie, as that can regularly relate directly to the dreamer.
      Lol as if I had written it, you totally took the words from my mouth.
      I have experienced this countless times, and even investigated it while lucid -- for instance, while aware that I was dreaming, and who I was, I would ask dream characters who they were; also, I would carefully examine the scenery to see if there is anything at all I find familiar.
      I did the same thing and got similar responces.

      Oddly, when I questioned dream characters, they often looked at me like I was insane, but would not provide an answer. Also, these strangers in my dreams often acted as if I were an old friend.
      Lol man you are blowing my mind. And I reach to my own theories:
      1)They try to contain me into the ilussion of everything being real, they don't want me to become lucid. I think that have something to do with external forces. By acted as old friends and something in my mind saying that I know them as well(like fake memories), but the moment I say I don't know them at all and this is a dream, they are trying to kill me and forcibly awaken me. Strong minds must be contained!

      I have found that strangers in my dreams seem to make great efforts to curb my lucidity … ie, when I am in a state of strong lucidity and seek to eliminate the dream around me in order to change it or pursue other things conscious, I often find the dream suddenly crowded with strangers clamoring for attention, and occasionally grabbing my legs should I try to fly away..
      The same with all means necessary to keep me bounded. Sometimes even show me disturbing images (changes dream scenery), like my family is dying, my best friend is dead, my kitchen is in fire and I must wake up. Womans are trying to seduce me out of the blue.

      But if I summon them, they are different than the rest, they are helping me. They even fight the others for me.
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      ^^ Thanks for checking out my "other people's dreams" thread. Since it's more than off-topic for this thread, feel free to post there; it isn't a necro if I'm still here, and I mostly am!

      Quote Originally Posted by StarSeeker View Post
      Lol if I focus too much I can't fall asleep, in some other tip on DV a guy said "You must be prepared everything to happen and ignore it, but don't wait something to happen". So are you expecting to hit a SP?
      I'm never expecting SP, for two reasons.

      First, actual SP occurs when you are waking up, and not when you are falling asleep, so there is literally nothing to expect during a WILD, which occurs when you are waking up. The closest to actual SP is REM Atonia, which does occur when you're falling asleep, but, since you are able to exit REM Atonia whenever you want, it really isn't SP.

      I also have the added advantage of learning to WILD many years before the term was coined, and before the internet made SP important. It never occurred to me that anything I was experiencing before a WILD should matter so, well, it didn't. I've had thousands of WILDS with minimal HI and no "SP" at all, so I don't bother expecting anything other than the dream.

      Tonight on multiple occasions I tried WILD and get the following experience:
      I was repeating my mantra synced to my breathing and suddenly was awaken by my family, we talked, do stuff and even I get out of the house for a short while. When returned I got in bed again and start to repeat my mantra again to only be awaken by loud bang noise comming from the outside, an astronaut had trown a rock at my window, I yelled at him to go catch the ship and get out of here, because he was disturbing my WILD induction. I get back in the bed and start repeating my mantra again while trying to fall asleep, next minute I woke up in my real bed while still repeating the mantra and realized what had happened.
      Now there is a place I've been many times! FA's ability to erase lucidity can be pretty amazing -- and frustrating, when you wake up. I love the astronaut part, BTW!
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