Jeff777's Free-falling WILD technique!

**Ctharlhie** · 03-02-2012 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by xxdanxx

I don't understadn what he means about an 'illogical thought', is it just a thought or image that can't happen in reality? for example flying or something I don't quite understand. If someone can post what it actually is.

Incoherent and dreamlike, to a certain degree everyone experiences some scrambled thoughts and images upon sleep onset whether they remember them or not. If you haven't experienced this then next time you fall asleep try to be more aware of the hypnagogic state.
I find that imagining people I know saying random stuff for a few minutes brings on illogical thinking and the hypnagogic state quite nicely

**Chevaughn** · 03-03-2012 03:27 AM

I too don't understand what an illogical thought is.

Is this one? :
To go cat supermarket I chemistry.

**Spyguy** · 03-03-2012 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Chevaughn

I too don't understand what an illogical thought is.

Is this one? :
To go cat supermarket I chemistry.

Yep, that's possible. It's a thought that makes no sense at all. When you recognize it you'll be like 'Wait...what? Why on earth did I think that?' Don't pay too much attention to your thoughts while listening for them, because that will keep you awake and prevent them for coming.

**Marm** · 03-03-2012 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by xxdanxx

I don't understadn what he means about an 'illogical thought'

Something that doesn't make logical sense - such as phasing through walls etc. As you move closer and closer to the transition between consciousness and dreaming, the logic centre of your brain begins to shut down.

**Chevaughn** · 03-04-2012 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Spyguy

Yep, that's possible. It's a thought that makes no sense at all. When you recognize it you'll be like 'Wait...what? Why on earth did I think that?' Don't pay too much attention to your thoughts while listening for them, because that will keep you awake and prevent them for coming.

Oh, but wouldn't it keep me awake if I try to come up with illogical thoughts on my own?

**fOrceez** · 03-04-2012 11:34 AM

Not if you don't force them. Let it 'flow'.

**Spyguy** · 03-04-2012 07:08 PM

BTW guys, just something worth mentioning, this free-falling is very useful for meditation as well. Don't do it while laying down, because that is a guaranteed falling asleep

Unless you want to fall asleep ofcourse

**xxdanxx** · 03-04-2012 09:50 PM

If you wake up during the early morning, how long does it personally take for you to get illogical thoughts.

**DinoSawr** · 03-08-2012 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by xxdanxx

If you wake up during the early morning, how long does it personally take for you to get illogical thoughts.

I'm certainly not an expert, but I do believe that when you are WILDing, you don't really have a sense of time, and if you do you will probably not be successful as you are too aware.

**Lucidnoob01** · 03-13-2012 06:59 AM

Whats an ideal time to wake up to try induce this.

**fOrceez** · 03-13-2012 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Lucidnoob01

Whats an ideal time to wake up to try induce this.

before your REM cycles

So you'll have to find your REM cycles. Usually when we wake up in the night, it's right after REM.

**Chevaughn** · 03-18-2012 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by fOrceez

before your REM cycles

So you'll have to find your REM cycles. Usually when we wake up in the night, it's right after REM.

So, if I try to WILD when I wake up (which is after REM) in the middle of the night, would I still be able to WILD (knowing that another REM period might occur)?

**fOrceez** · 03-20-2012 09:33 PM

It depends which part of the night you wake up in and how many hours of sleep you got, i suppose.

**Chevaughn** · 03-23-2012 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by fOrceez

It depends which part of the night you wake up in and how many hours of sleep you got, i suppose.

k.
thnx!

**Bob4o** · 03-24-2012 06:32 PM

Last night i tried this when i was going to sleep even though i knew i would hardly succeed since i am just going to bed and not WBTB-ing, but it worked!I was in a forest saw a group of people pushed them away started flying grabbed a woman threw her on the ground and flew over the whole forest and 1 min later the dream fell apart.I think it works yeah going to try it this night too GREAT METHOD!

**Wonderer777** · 05-13-2012 01:18 AM

Hi Jeff, I have a question for you, I have tried using your free fall technique, everything works great but for one thing. When I get illogical thoughts and images, they seem to last for a few short seconds only, and I get snapped right out into controlled awake state, with logical thinking. Is there a way to elongate that for me? So that I can continue being in that state?

**IchimaruTaichou** · 05-14-2012 03:07 AM

Has anyone tried combining this tech with crazyinsanes CAN-WILD? seems like it would be a good idea, might make a thread on it but anyone? input, thanks

**benzilla04** · 05-30-2012 07:09 PM

I've made it! I couldn't sleep for about an hour. But i wanted to sleep further because i needed some more sleep.
Then i decided to try the free-falling technique. I've done that before, but not knowing what it was.
So i layed still for a while. Let my mind do what it wanted to think. I don't remember what random thoughts i had, because i gave them no attention!
I didn't intend to WILD, but at some point I 'catched' my mind from falling deeper. It was the moment when sleep paralysis set in. Sensations were going through my whole body and i was lifted a bit. As i was set back into my bed, i knew i was now dreaming. Opened my eyes and voila!

I haven't OBEd yet but I done this the other day. I was awake but kinda asleep (well i wasnt) my mind was just esle where and i wasn't paying attention. as soon as i noticed what was happening, SP started to kicked in but i started shitting myself so it stopped

lol

**Jeff777** · 06-01-2012 10:03 PM

:-)

**JacksDreams** · 06-02-2012 01:16 AM

wow i know little about lucid dreaming and have never read this post, but i always used to try make myself think illogical thoughts to help me sleep quicker.

**OwenLucid** · 06-02-2012 02:31 PM

Wow can't WAIT to try this with all the positive feedback, get ready for my first WILD guys!

**supernaut76** · 07-15-2012 03:51 AM

I tried this yesterday and I sense I was close but no dice. Interesting as I think I was intuitively doing this when I had my first lucid dreams aged 15-16. The trouble was I couldn't get myself to relax - common problem with WBTB. Also I think my wake cycle was not optimally timed - only sleep 5 hours and disturbed in between. Seemed like my super long dream periods occurred several hours later. Seemed like when I switched to breathing the imagery also ceased ( although I could feel a sensation in my body indicating the beginnings of sleep paralysis it never fully materialised ) Then I had to do the illogical weighted jacket thing and cycled between the two. Finally I got fed up and rolled over, went to sleep.

Next time I'm going to try without moving. Will have an auto-shutdown alarm and go from there. Also it seemed like using some of the dream imagery I was having at the time was helping with getting more illogical and dream like.

**Nivv** · 07-23-2012 10:44 PM

This may well be a good technique for me. I started focusing on LDing at the beginning of June, and I've become lucid around 10 times (with 6 proper LDs as a result). The majority of these were WILDs, but I've never intentionally gone into SP; I've just found myself in SP and been able to WILD from there. This is often because I spot how dreamlike and illogical my thoughts are as I'm right on the verge of sleeping (so a little later than this guide suggests), although it's certainly not consistent.

But anyways, I'm good at spotting illogical thoughts and good at moving from SP to an LD so this may be something worth trying. Many thanks!

**Empedocles** · 07-27-2012 11:39 PM

This wouldn't work for me. In my experience I was never able to WILD at the beginning of the night. I absolutely have to do WBTB.

I can't see how it would be physically possible either, seeing how we don't enter REM at the beginning of the night. I don't understand how this is supposed to work.

I mean, if we were to somehow consciously enter Non-REM sleep at the beginning of the night, then we'd have to just lay there in some weird pre-dream state for at least 2 or 3 hours in order for the first REM cycle to begin? I don't get it.