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      Step 1 - Free-fall

      With this method, WBTB not required for entering Sleep Paralysis, but it's very helpful in entering into a WILD. Lie down in whatever comfortable position you want, and let your mind chatter or go over what it was doing that day. This is good. Most relaxation or SP induction exercises teach you to clear your mind and focus on something.. But doesn’t your mind usually trail off to something else? That’s because your brain has processed a lot of information that day and needs time to unwind, just as you, after a hard days work, need time to unwind and relax when you get home. Passive awareness of your thoughts at this stage is key for moving into the next stage.

      Step 2 - Chaos theory

      Once you start noticing illogical images and patterns (only the illogical ones signals the cue to move on!) making its way into your mind, then you’re ready to move to step three because at THIS point, your body is going to sleep and the part of your mind that deals with logic and reasoning along with it. Any sudden thought that, with conscious logic and alert reasoning, does not make sense is considered an "illogical thought"; and for understanding purposes, the term chaos refers to illogical images and random thought patterns. If you’d like to speed up the free-fall into chaos process.. try free-falling "with a weighted jacket on". You can do this by creating illogical images and thoughts yourself. This essentially speeds up the shut-down process. After 5 - 10 minutes of doing this, you should have effectively triggered the neocortex/frontal lobe to begin hibernating, thereby tricking it into creating illogical thoughts and images now on its own accord, without your assistance anymore. I only recommend speeding up the process if you're good at passively observing your thoughts and have no problems catching yourself before you fall too far.

      Sometimes these thoughts will shift in quickly when you’re relaxing. When the first one hits my mind, I like to mentally recognize it and sit in a little chair and watch where else my mind continues to go until I think its time to stop free-falling into chaos and begin the next step.

      I call this the free-fall relaxation technique because unlike most tutorials that want people to creep into the SP process, I encourage one to free-fall to great depths but to catch oneself before hitting the ground (unconscious sleep), by using all 5 steps. The steps used in this method cut my learning curve down and allowed me to enter into WILD's more quickly because I'm able to enter SP more quickly. If you’re sufficiently relaxed and you’ve passively noticed your thoughts becoming illogical (free-falling into chaos), you're ready to pull that rip-cord and move on.

      If you feel as if you haven’t let yourself fall far enough.. resume the free-fall technique until you’re deep enough to move on. Passive awareness IS KEY.

      Step 3 - Readjustment

      If you weren't lying on your back already, then the next step is to lie on your back. Some sleep studies suggest paralysis is easier to attain when lying on ones back. If you find it difficult to stay in this position comfortably because you are accustomed to sleeping on your side - tilt your head sideways on your pillow. That should offer some balance.

      Step 4 - Deep Breaths

      What you want to do next is elongate your breathing. You want to mimic the body's natural breathing pattern when it's asleep. When sleeping, we tend to breathe deeper. You don’t want to take very deep breaths but you do want them to be somewhat longer than how you breathe when you are awake. Like with Chaos Theory, after about 5 - 10 minutes of doing this step, your body should naturally take over this rhythm and you won't be required to force this breathing anymore.

      Step 5 - Maintaining State

      Your body is sufficiently relaxed, your breathing is as it is when you are sleeping and your mind has free-fallen enough to where its logic and reasoning centers are trying to shut down, - Now that the hard part is out of the way, it should be smooth sailing from this point on! So now, let’s maintain awareness.

      If you notice yourself slipping away, try doing basic math. Nothing complex, but something that requires some actual thinking… not automatic answers.

      One thing I’ve found that helps me is by mentally repeating, in between breaths, “I remain consciously aware as my body falls to sleep”. If you want to maintain logic, reasoning and awareness as your body falls to sleep, - in between breaths, mentally count down from 100 - 1. You should shift into sleep paralysis before you get to 1. If you haven't shifted yet, Count down again. The shift is unmistakable. You may feel vibrations, a wave of energy sweep over you, a lead blanket being pulled over you, or you may even notice your hearing shift from external to internal (real time hearing). All of these are indicators that you've successfully (and consciously) entered into sleep paralysis.

      Try to remain as still as possible. Swallowing saliva won’t help you but won’t hurt that much either. It all comes down to awareness and focus. Energy flows where attention goes. If too much focus and attention is going to your throat (to swallow or not to swallow!?) instead of relaxing, then more energy is going there as well. Result? You won’t be going to sleep anytime soon. For more simple solutions I give to combat swallowing, eye movement, twitches and more, click HERE.

      Testimonials!

      Quote Originally Posted by lemonDrops View Post
      I've made it! I couldn't sleep for about an hour. But i wanted to sleep further because i needed some more sleep.
      Then i decided to try the free-falling technique. I've done that before, but not knowing what it was.
      So i layed still for a while. Let my mind do what it wanted to think. I don't remember what random thoughts i had, because i gave them no attention!
      I didn't intend to WILD, but at some point I 'catched' my mind from falling deeper. It was the moment when sleep paralysis set in. Sensations were going through my whole body and i was lifted a bit. As i was set back into my bed, i knew i was now dreaming. Opened my eyes and voila!
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeff777 View Post
      Most of you are aware of another popular sleep paralysis induction thread, I created a few years ago. By tinkering with that method for some years, I've arrived at the techniques above. By utilizing the above steps, I've gone from having 3 WILD's per week to averaging 5 - 7 WILD's per week; since it helps me enter the necessary state more quickly. I hope that you've found it just as helpful to use as I've found it enjoyable to share. Happy lucids.

      - Jeff777
      Quote Originally Posted by andresld View Post
      i had my first success with this technique this morning :d! i woke up from a dream, and decided to attempt right away. I just paid attention to the chaos thoughts, and made sure to recognize the sp wave. The transition went as in any other wild i've had before.
      Thanks jeff :)
      Quote Originally Posted by dakotahnok View Post
      i did have a wild with this technique. It was a few nights ago. it was the quickest wild i have ever had.
      Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
      This WILD technique is amazing. I had 2 LDs in the last 2 days, and this morning I had i LD through wild and chain 6 more LDs through DEILD. Before practicing this technique i had only 2 LD through WILD. I totally recommend this technique. Thank you Jeff!
      Quote Originally Posted by Sugabombs View Post
      I did this last night and it really worked(I got too scared when I entered SP though)! Thanks a lot for sharing this tutorial!! :banana:
      Last edited by Jeff777; 07-19-2011 at 06:54 AM.
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      Submitted successes with this method may become part of the original post as testimonials.
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      Another excellent guide Jeff.
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      Great technique! Maybe it'll help me break my WILD dryspell.
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      I can give this a try.
      Usually, though, I have to clear my mind of thoughts while WILDing, otherwise my mind wanders off and I just fall asleep, non-lucidly. But it would be good for me to practice staying aware as my mind wanders.
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      This could really help me out a lot, I'm usually very aware of when my thoughts start to become disjointed and illogical as I'm drifting off. I love the idea of 'freefalling' into SP

      EDIT: I guess this would have to be after a fairly long WBTB, if you were still groggy attempting this you'd just fall asleep in stage 2?
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      I tried this today. Didn't get into full sp with it but did feel vibrations and quite quickly also. I have yet to fully wild, i always fall asleep or get the swallows. I do like how you go with the flow more than trying to fight the current with this, gonna try this again tomorrow. Thanks for the tutorial.
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      This guide is a great help because I always struggle with the "fact" that you have to clear your mind to Wild. When I Wilded accidentaly it was always because I let my mind wander and did not focus on anything.
      Gonna try this tonight
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      Nice tutorial Jeff. It's nice to have a different way to approach the WILD, especially for those of us that are more experienced LDers and yet for whatever reason have found WILDs to become more difficult over time.
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      Could the chaos theory, creating illogical patterns yourself, part be achieved by visualising surreal imagery?

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      I try to do something similar already. Not really illogical thoughts (so I suppose it's not that similar. Hm.) but more along the lines of imagining surreal images, like Ctharlhie - that was fun to type - said above. I find it just speeds up the process of getting to sleep paralysis.
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      Thanks for the technique, ive been using a similar method of hypnogogia induction to get to sleep rapidly for some time now, i tend to use auditory hypnogogia though:

      http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/rapid-...c-state-62493/

      I recently read your guide on inducing SP and i have to say i really think the combination of that and the freefalling is awesome. The real bonus about inducing hypnogogia from my experimenting is that you're much more likely to retain awareness. Often times when falling asleep i dont even notice hypnogogia, but when i induce it manually im able to predict it and predict exactly when im going to lose consciousness.

      It does make me wonder what else you can trick your mind into doing by the act of mimicking.. but i guess thats a whole other topic =)
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      Hi, I'm a new dreamer( yet to have my first lucid) I tried this technique and I definitely felt the Finns "energies" going over my body as it went into SP but what do you do after that to enter a lucid? Thanks
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      Tried to run before I walked last night, creating illogical thoughts myself instead of waiting for my mind to produce them first. I fell asleep... Drat!
      Maybe I'll stick with the natural process and not try to induce the thoughts myself until I'm good at staying aware.
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      Nice tutorial Jeff. Next WILD opportunity I get, I shall give this a go.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ctharlhie View Post
      This could really help me out a lot, I'm usually very aware of when my thoughts start to become disjointed and illogical as I'm drifting off. I love the idea of 'freefalling' into SP

      EDIT: I guess this would have to be after a fairly long WBTB, if you were still groggy attempting this you'd just fall asleep in stage 2?
      Hm, I've entered SP using this sans WBTB, though, if you find that it helps (WBTB's generally do help lucid dreamers period), then by all means go for it. Tailor it to your needs. And I should thank you. I can see how some would get confused about that so I clarified things in my first paragraph.

      Quote Originally Posted by Ctharlhie View Post
      Could the chaos theory, creating illogical patterns yourself, part be achieved by visualising surreal imagery?
      Yes. When I say "illogical thoughts", I meant it to be inclusive of illogical/bizarre/surreal imagery as well. I suppose I should have clarified that a bit more too. Though I guess if purely thinking of illogical words works for some, then they should continue with that.

      Quote Originally Posted by fOrceez View Post
      Hi, I'm a new dreamer( yet to have my first lucid) I tried this technique and I definitely felt the Finns "energies" going over my body as it went into SP but what do you do after that to enter a lucid? Thanks
      Congratulations on entering SP! It's important to understand that this method is JUST a sleep paralysis induction technique. It can be done anytime, anywhere.

      It's a little misleading calling it a WILD technique unless you know how to integrate the tech into your REM states. REM is sparse in the early part of our sleep cycle and tends to get lengthier in the latter stages. Typically going from minor bursts of REM to longer states of it. Since lucid dreaming, only occurs during REM sleep (as we know it), using a WBTB with this (see first response I made in this post, where the user was asking me about WBTB), would be helpful in attempting when your REM state is at its lengthiest. REM generally cycles every 90 minutes so it's possible for you to WILD in the beginning stages, but the WILD's will be shorter than if you integrated WBTB.

      If you are simply training yourself at entering sleep paralysis so that it can effectively help you when you start trying to combine your attempts with your REM states, then you can do this technique whenever you choose.

      Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
      Tried to run before I walked last night, creating illogical thoughts myself instead of waiting for my mind to produce them first. I fell asleep... Drat!
      Maybe I'll stick with the natural process and not try to induce the thoughts myself until I'm good at staying aware.
      Aha, well keep at it Puffin. I'm sure you'll get it in no time.

      Quote Originally Posted by KingYoshi View Post
      Nice tutorial Jeff. Next WILD opportunity I get, I shall give this a go.
      Thanks bro.
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      I just woke up for a WBTB, and I thought I'd just visit DV for a bit to wake me up properly before I go and do my WILD attempt with this technique. My usual problem tends to be falling asleep too quickly. I think I'll go and do some maths.
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      TeaSea, your avatar made me do a reality check! x'3

      I'll be trying another WILD tonight, this time with a longer WBTB just in case I get the smart idea to do what I did last night...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
      TeaSea, your avatar made me do a reality check! x'3
      why it's just a glass of... OH MY GOD IT'S BLUE.

      Anyway I'll be trying this tonight! I'll report back tomorrow!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
      TeaSea, your avatar made me do a reality check! x'3

      I'll be trying another WILD tonight, this time with a longer WBTB just in case I get the smart idea to do what I did last night...
      Success! It's also been known to make people defecate bricks.

      What was your smart idea last night?

      Quote Originally Posted by dakotahnok View Post
      why it's just a glass of... OH MY GOD IT'S BLUE.

      Anyway I'll be trying this tonight! I'll report back tomorrow!
      Maybe it was always blue and you just imagined tea in there.
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      Is your success rate acheived with or without wbtb?

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      I have been trying this method for the last few days. Each time I get to the illogical thoughts quite fast, maybe 15 mins of laying down at most, and man when actually paying attention to these they are quite crazy, and somewhat humorous at times. I then move to the natural breathing, a question about that. Do i extend my abs and diaphragm, or is it not quite that deep? But that is as far as i make it, i don't think i reach SP, unless there are not any real signs of it for me, i still hear my fan going in my room for example. Today for example i had illogical thoughts for about 45 mins then decided it wasn't going anywhere, any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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      My alarm didn't wake me up last night. Try again tonight!
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      I can induce illogical thinking after a few minutes, so this will work well for me.

      Thanks
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Is your success rate acheived with or without wbtb?
      For awhile, I was training at just entering sleep paralysis whenever I wanted to enter it. I felt getting training myself to get to the mind awake, body asleep state was paramount for WILD'ing, so I concentrated my efforts on that for some time.

      I experienced many WILD's using this without WBTB, but the quality of the LD's was fair at best. When I felt I had gotten to the point of being able to induce sleep paralysis pretty well, I started incorporating WBTB's into my routine to take advantage of my lengthier REM periods (better WILD's).

      Quote Originally Posted by dakotahnok View Post
      My alarm didn't wake me up last night. Try again tonight!
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