Thread: DILD is the Bubble Sort of Lucid Dreaming

Both techniques are the same. Personally speaking, I went two years alternating DILD's with WILD's and ended up almost at a 50/50 rate. There was one noticeable difference with me though. Lets say I stopped ALL activity of actually trying to induce a LD. In the end, I would would always have more DILD's than WILD's. Throughout those two years, I've averaged about 8 LD's a month. Sometimes more WILD's than DILD's and vise versa. It's was just a roll of the dice until I decided to spend months focusing on one or the other. When I did, I was averaging 10 DILD's a month, and failing WILD's over and over a night. Since then I've stuck with DILD's. Sure i'll try a WILD out every now and then to see if I still have it, but the majority of my LD's come from DILD's now.

As for how enjoyable they are....they're both pretty fun. I wouldn't put one higher than the other, because both have their advantages. When I WILD I have to think about being in a difference scene at the beginning or I'll start out in my room. During DILDs, I can find myself at exotic locations automatically. But on the other side, if I had a goal to do, I'm more inclined to think about accomplishing it via WILD. In the end it's just different strokes for different folks. Anyone who thinks a certain technique is better than the other is just saying that from personal experience. I've had too many DILD's to say that I'm just throwing darts, and I've had too many failed WILD's to say that I can do it whenever I want to. In the end it's all about whats more comfortable for that dreamer. They may get lucky and end up proficient at both, but really theres no big difference.

Most people have no idea how to 'WILD' correctly, and many of the guides do an absolutely atrocious job at explaining the process (ie. anchors, sitting in one position for countless hours etc.) so I do believe it's easier for a noobie to start with DILD. However, too many people try to dump their mantras they've most likely found in their local K-mart's dumpster and the techniques they've bought from a starving, basket weaving lad living off of peanut butter trying to pay off his associates degree in art history onto other people. Don't even get me started on reality checks! I am sorry to say that your no-pre-sleep MILD will fail 95-100% of the time!

Newbies, start with a 6-1 wbtb (6 hours sleeping, 1 hours awake. Be sure to get a small amount of sleep the previous day so you can fall back to sleep) with the intention of lucid dreaming (and an effective MILD mantra, "The next thing I'll know is that I'm dreaming...") and the rest will take care of it'self. Try that for a week and I can guarantee you'll have had your first lucid dream no questions asked!

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

Most people have no idea how to 'WILD' correctly, and many of the guides do an absolutely atrocious job at explaining the process (ie. anchors, sitting in one position for countless hours etc.) so I do believe it's easier for a noobie to start with DILD. However, too many people try to dump their mantras they've most likely found in their local K-mart's dumpster and the techniques they've bought from a starving, basket weaving lad living off of peanut butter trying to pay off his associates degree in art history onto other people. Don't even get me started on reality checks! I am sorry to say that your no-pre-sleep MILD will fail 95-100% of the time!

Finally, someone who doesn't buy into that crap!

hah, you keep believing people are putting DILD over WILD, which is not. People here are saying they are both equal, which of course you don't believe, but as Oneironaut said, you haven't given any proof of WILD being superior to DILD.

Let me ask you one thing, how many people do you know that can get several lucids/day using WILD and only WILD? Also, what is your experience with DILD and WILD? Because you talk as if you have been doing this for years (And I mean, both WILD and DILD), yet don't care to give anything other than the "I'm right because I'm right!" or explain.

Oh and btw, don't try to say you know more than others, at the very least you should know that there are only two techniques, DILD and WILD, the rest are variations.

Cmind, you are supporting your argument primarily by authoritatively telling other people what works best for them without taking into consideration that any successful lucid dreamer figures this out for themselves. Just because you are personally better at the WILD technique does not in any way mean that other techniques are inferior. You also are making bold assertions concerning the nature of a technique that you clearly do not understand (DILD) and refuse to support your claims because they are true "by definition" which means essentially nothing. Provide some support for such assertions or leave them out of your argument.

Most people have no idea how to 'WILD' correctly, and many of the guides do an absolutely atrocious job at explaining the process (ie. anchors, sitting in one position for countless hours etc.) so I do believe it's easier for a noobie to start with DILD. However, too many people try to dump their mantras they've most likely found in their local K-mart's dumpster and the techniques they've bought from a starving, basket weaving lad living off of peanut butter trying to pay off his associates degree in art history onto other people. Don't even get me started on reality checks! I am sorry to say that your no-pre-sleep MILD will fail 95-100% of the time!

No.

Originally Posted by Mario92

No.

Provide reasoning, otherwise you may have not posted at all!

It is true, very true

Originally Posted by cmind

Finally, someone who doesn't buy into that crap!

I find it funny that, after all of the posts countering your baseless declaration (with actual substantial arguments), this is the response you decide to make. Hilarious.

Originally Posted by Jay

Most people have no idea how to 'WILD' correctly, and many of the guides do an absolutely atrocious job at explaining the process (ie. anchors, sitting in one position for countless hours etc.) so I do believe it's easier for a noobie to start with DILD. However, too many people try to dump their mantras they've most likely found in their local K-mart's dumpster and the techniques they've bought from a starving, basket weaving lad living off of peanut butter trying to pay off his associates degree in art history onto other people. Don't even get me started on reality checks! I am sorry to say that your no-pre-sleep MILD will fail 95-100% of the time!

So, wait...are you critiquing the techniques that are explained by the staff? Or the general community? If the latter - with there being 10's of thousands of general members - I think the fact that you're going to see people's own individual (and often incomplete) methods and suggestions on how to do something, is so expected that I don't even know how it made it into this conversation.

And what's wrong with reality checks? I can't even tell you how many lucids I owe to having done a reality check, to recognize a vivid dream for what it was. Hell, all you have to do is spend some time looking around the forums, and you will see countless stories of newbies doing 'partially-aware, instinctual' reality checks, which led them into full-blown lucidity. What exactly are you trying to say about them?

Originally Posted by Jay

Newbies, start with a 6-1 wbtb (6 hours sleeping, 1 hours awake. Be sure to get a small amount of sleep the previous day so you can fall back to sleep) with the intention of lucid dreaming (and an effective MILD mantra, "The next thing I'll know is that I'm dreaming...") and the rest will take care of it'self. Try that for a week and I can guarantee you'll have had your first lucid dream no questions asked!

As described by both the WILD and WBTB tutorials on this site.

....So...what were we talking about again?

Oh yeah, cmind's inability to provide a substantial argument to how WILD is 'superior' to DILD. Anytime, now.

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

Provide reasoning, otherwise you may have not posted at all!

It is true, very true

No. ^_^

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

Provide reasoning, otherwise you may have not posted at all!

It is true, very true

1. reality checks are a very useful tool with widespread use. Many find them helpful on some level.
2. All these "garbage" methods of yours are methods that actually work quite well for a fair number of people. Who are you to say what the "right" way to LD is?
3. Not all newbies find DILD automatically easier. I have come across several in my day with a natural predisposition to WILD.
4. There are numerous ways to MILD, and a lot of them don't require pre-sleep. MILD is broad enough and diverse enough that I count DILD's induced via a MILD to be MILDs themselves. The simple act of daydreaming about what you want to dream about or reciting a basic mantra can greatly boost your chances of becoming lucid.
5. Cite YOUR reasoning for why all these effective LD methods are garbage, otherwise you may have not posted at all!

It is true, very true.

So what's this really about you two anti-DILD peeps. Are you seriously convinced that DILD is inferior. If so how? There seems to be no reason to think that one way of LDing is superior to the other. It's not like comparing two bikes. Whereas one is faster and shinier than the other. Because the two forms of LDing are different and are not as closely related as bicycles. Also are you seriously going to spit in the faces of some of the most gifted LDers in this community? What makes YOU an expert? You think that you know everything. That is just not an argument, it's just childish and immature. It is annoying to read over someones petty argument, because he wants to feel special for WILDing.

Also MILD is a form of DILD. Were you such an expert you might have picked up on that. MILD helps you become aware of the fact that you are dreaming, when you are dreaming. That is all DILD is, it's not reality checks, and it's no special system. Those are just ways to achieve it. Many people just naturally have DILDs without being aware what an LD is or reality checks or anything.

Methinks the author of this thread was looking to fight.

I also believe that he is pompous and haughty. His head has blown to enormous proportions because he has mastered the technique that most find difficult.

I think all of our defending and our legitimate, researched and collective arguments are merely fuel to his flame. We are only ballooning his fat ego even farther.

So before he crushes us all with his stampeding, impending and completely concrete debate we might as well go entertain ourselves with something a bit more englightening, don't you think?

I agree. The dilemma is that, as mods, Akono and I have to make decisions on whether or not to close threads like this. I've been suspecting that the OP was trolling, since his first couple of posts, but I wanted to give him at least some time to make a solid case (or fail miserably, trying) before deciding to lock it.

I will still give him a little more time, before I do so. But, as it stands now, it looks like the OP was made specifically with the purpose of being obnoxious.

I'm ready to call it. He has had more than sufficient time, and now his poor attitude is spreading elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Walms

Let me ask you one thing, how many people do you know that can get several lucids/day using WILD and only WILD?

To play devils advocate, the maximum number of LD's I've had in a night were three. I've had 3 DILD nights, and I've had 3 WILD nights (WILD, DEILD 1, DEILD 2) and I've had mixes between the two.