Thread: Lucid dreaming without methods of induction. Instant?

Originally Posted by imj

Great light show...but makes me think will it get far enough to REM stage? I think we are forgetting stages 2, 3 and 4. My feeling tells me you will loose everything by the time your mind hits stage 2 that's because at stage 2 your mind registers nothing visual nor will it respond to anything except wake up when it detects disturbance. So you could be oscillating between going back to sleep and waking up at stage 2...sounds like alot of dreamless sleep to me. Even for morning WILD's there's at least stage 2. If you WILD on your own it's less likely you will awaken at stage 2.

IMJ

I see what you are saying now. People have reported having WILD's with this. I am hoping to obtain visuals of actual objects and then using the 'containmnent and spinning method' from Lucidology 102 to suck me into a lucid dream.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I see what you are saying now. People have reported having WILD's with this. I am hoping to obtain visuals of actual objects and then using the 'containmnent and spinning method' from Lucidology 102 to suck me into a lucid dream.

I can fix it up with no problem but I am apprehensive about it because using light has cost me my sleep and dream frequency... I may try it after I seen you guy's results....or effects of it.

IMJ

Originally Posted by imj

I can fix it up with no problem but I am apprehensive about it because using light has cost me my sleep and dream frequency...

IMJ

Can you elaborate please? What experiments have you done precisely?