Thread: Possibly the key to lucid dreaming?

You're saying that all I need to do is to set a simple goal, "trust" myself, and not to "try" at all...

I apologize if this comes off as abrasive, but... I CAN'T FREAKING STAND THESE FREAKING "ANTI-TECHNIQUES"!!!

You know exactly what I'm talking about: "Just believe!," "Trust yourself," "DON'T TRY," "Take a break," "You're trying too hard!," etc.

They're broad, dubious, and they trick people into getting out of good habits that actually work and make sense. If a technique is really so easy and effective, then soon enough its reputation will become known and everyone would be doing it. Yet, this just isn't the case. Take Tholey and Laberge: both very skillful lucid dreamers who didn't start out as naturals. They had to earn their skill. They worked hard, and it took them a while to get good.

These anti-techniques are so popular because they are easy to carry out and because they make big claims of success. If this thread's technique is effective in any sense, then it's because it's actually an old technique disguised as a new one: autosuggestion--as already elaborated on by Laberge in EWLD.

"Nothing of value is free. Even the breath of life is purchased at birth only through gasping effort and pain." -Robert A. Heinlein

Originally Posted by carwashguy

You're saying that all I need to do is to set a simple goal, "trust" myself, and not to "try" at all...

I apologize if this comes off as abrasive, but... I CAN'T FREAKING STAND THESE FREAKING "ANTI-TECHNIQUES"!!!

You know exactly what I'm talking about: "Just believe!," "Trust yourself," "DON'T TRY," "Take a break," "You're trying too hard!," etc.

They're broad, dubious, and they trick people into getting out of good habits that actually work and make sense. If a technique is really so easy and effective, then soon enough its reputation will become known and everyone would be doing it. Yet, this just isn't the case. Take Tholey and Laberge: both very skillful lucid dreamers who didn't start out as naturals. They had to earn their skill. They worked hard, and it took them a while to get good.

These anti-techniques are so popular because they are easy to carry out and because they make big claims of success. If this thread's technique is effective in any sense, then it's because it's actually an old technique disguised as a new one: autosuggestion--as already elaborated on by Laberge in EWLD.

"Nothing of value is free. Even the breath of life is purchased at birth only through gasping effort and pain." -Robert A. Heinlein

If you don't want to do it then don't, I'm not forcing anyone. Also, no there are things of value that are free. Like recently.
My brother got a nice wooden piano that should cost A LOT of money, but guess how much he got it for? FREE.

Another: My mother loves to grow, sell, and smoke marijuana. A few days ago she found a sealed bag full of marijuana worth 1000$ in a public garbage at the place she works at.

Nother: My computer is pretty much free (it's a nice one too) It was given to me. When It got messed up with a virus we got it fixed, for FREE.

And another(kinda): My brother got a car for 1000 bucks. It's a pretty good one too. All it had was some problems with the transmission.

I learned to lucid dream very easily, when I tried too hard I couldn't get any, when I didn't try that hard at all they just rushed in.

Maybe it just depends on what you think has "value". I lucid dream very easily. I mean, I have these awesome adventures, I learn things, I expand my mind... And I barely have to lift a finger.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

If you don't want to do it then don't, I'm not forcing anyone. Also, no there are things of value that are free. Like recently.
My brother got a nice wooden piano that should cost A LOT of money, but guess how much he got it for? FREE.

Another: My mother loves to grow, sell, and smoke marijuana. A few days ago she found a sealed bag full of marijuana worth 1000$ in a public garbage at the place she works at.

Nother: My computer is pretty much free (it's a nice one too) It was given to me. When It got messed up with a virus we got it fixed, for FREE.

And another(kinda): My brother got a car for 1000 bucks. It's a pretty good one too. All it had was some problems with the transmission.

I learned to lucid dream very easily, when I tried too hard I couldn't get any, when I didn't try that hard at all they just rushed in.

Maybe it just depends on what you think has "value". I lucid dream very easily. I mean, I have these awesome adventures, I learn things, I expand my mind... And I barely have to lift a finger.

What i think carwashguy was trying to say is,that things that are not worked for, are not worth getting but i do like your idea and have heard of stuff like it so i will try it

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

If you don't want to do it then don't, I'm not forcing,

One of the issues I brought up is that these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits. I believe this technique is dangerous for this reason.

In all of your examples, things of value were either given as gifts or were found. That doesn't mean that these things magically came into existence for free, first of all (e.g. somewhere down the line someone worked hard to build that piano). But this is besides the point: the ability to lucid dream is a skill, and not a purchasable item. Believe me--I wish I could either buy it or receive it as a gift, but as far as I know and from what I've read in books, I'm going to have to work hard and be disciplined to earn this skill.

Originally Posted by carwashguy

One of the issues I brought up is that these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits. I believe this technique is dangerous for this reason.

In all of your examples, things of value were either given as gifts or were found. That doesn't mean that these things magically came into existence for free, first of all (e.g. somewhere down the line someone worked hard to build that piano). But this is besides the point: the ability to lucid dream is a skill, and not a purchasable item. Believe me--I wish I could either buy it or receive it as a gift, but as far as I know and from what I've read in books, I'm going to have to work hard and be disciplined to earn this skill.

I don't get it. I'm luring people? What? It's not like I'm gaining anything from trying to help you, your acting like I'm selling something.
I'm not making any of this up.
Lucid dreaming is all in the attitude and mindset. Almost every other method for lucid dreaming works indirectly by making you have this mindset unintentionally. This technique or anti-technique or whatever the fuck you want to call it is, instead, direct.

Originally Posted by carwashguy

One of the issues I brought up is that these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits. I believe this technique is dangerous for this reason.

In all of your examples, things of value were either given as gifts or were found. That doesn't mean that these things magically came into existence for free, first of all (e.g. somewhere down the line someone worked hard to build that piano). But this is besides the point: the ability to lucid dream is a skill, and not a purchasable item. Believe me--I wish I could either buy it or receive it as a gift, but as far as I know and from what I've read in books, I'm going to have to work hard and be disciplined to earn this skill.

Oh. My. God. That is all I can say. Who the f*** do you think you are?I fully agree with SilverBullet! What do you want? SilverBullet is trying to help us, we who don't lucid dream natural. I'm really pissed that there are people like you on this forum. SilverBullet is taking his experience, and wants to help us. And you? You don't give a damn s***, and just criticize him and his technique. Were you high when you wrote this? SilverBullet never talked about buying something from him??!!! Don't be rude to people that want, and do help us.

Wish you lucid journeys!
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