Thread: The age of perfect lucid attainment, NOW!

Could you elaborate more on your steps..? Do you not move whatsoever when you are "waiting" for this dream to "appear" ? I don't quite understand what you mean by "focus in front of you"... Do you clear your mind of everything else except your closed eyelids themselves? I would love to try this method out, but to be honest, I have almost no idea what you are even talking about.

Could you elaborate more on your steps..? Do you not move whatsoever when you are "waiting" for this dream to "appear" ? I don't quite understand what you mean by "focus in front of you"... Do you clear your mind of everything else except your closed eyelids themselves? I would love to try this method out, but to be honest, I have almost no idea what you are even talking about.

You are way over complicating it if you are not understanding. Yes you clear your mind but not needed if you would like and focus in front of you, of course you would have your eye lids closed when sleeping and that is it, you would notice that you get pushed back as thoughts come to you which is what distracts you and next thing you know you wake up in the morning, so try to avoid losing focus in front of you by getting lost in thought.

See also the Prajna Paramita text, which has been noted by quantum physics, which ties to LDs in a Matrix like way.

I have noticed that lots of things found in Buddhism seems to be connected with our modern quantum physics. It is as though meditation takes you to a quantum level of our reality.

I meditate daily by the way and I definitely recommend it to anyone for relaxation, wisdom or even for a psychedelic type trip. To me it is twice the marijuana high when I get into its deeper level and a great substitute for it.



Good luck.

Originally Posted by elucid

I meditate daily by the way and I definitely recommend it to anyone for relaxation, wisdom or even for a psychedelic type trip. To me it is twice the marijuana high when I get into its deeper level and a great substitute for it.



Good luck.

Any suggestions on reading material or classes for someone new to meditation?

I had a hard time Re-Placing my mind on those darn PIXELS last night !!! haha

One thing that I have focused is that focus feels really good. So that should make it really easy to focus since doing so will make you feel good.

Originally Posted by elucid

One thing that I have focused is that focus feels really good. So that should make it really easy to focus since doing so will make you feel good.

Do you mean While you are doing it , or later as an Effect (like next day) ?

If you mean WHILE , then, that is very interesting hmmmm....

Do you mean While you are doing it , or later as an Effect (like next day) ?

If you mean WHILE , then, that is very interesting hmmmm....

While I am doing it, my feel goes to ecstasy.

I did something sorta like this. Ive been trying unsucessfully for a long time to have a lucid dream, and one night a few weeks ago I just layed there and I just remained aware of everything. I layed there and kept reminding myself that im laying here and teling my body to sleep. I could feel my body start to.. "buzz"? It felt weird. Like I was sleeping but my mind was still aware. But something happened and I lost it. I tried again but I never got it right.

Also completely off topic - the "chat" at the top wont seem to work. ^^^

Also completely off topic - the "chat" at the top wont seem to work. ^^^

Even if I could do something, I would need some administrative privileges. So that should be reported to one of the moderators.

Good luck

I'm trying this tonight.

elucid please rewrite you tutorial and please make it educational and more like a step by step process (because i like your tutorial)

Yeah this does sound like a simple wild, but non the less ill try it out tonight! good job!

I have tried this before. Actually it was my first few attempts b/c it was the simplist thing I could do to get a WILD. And I think it will work if you have awesome (like really really good) focus+relaxation skills, I don't.

Personally I either:
1. fell asleep
2. couldn't fall asleep after like 30-40 min and gave up
3. got very itchy, uncomfortable, bored and gave up

This is more of a simplification of all the WILD explanations. Also, I'd probably classify it as some other state similar to lucid dreaming (OBE, astral projection, or somthin), bc there is no way you can magically jump in to REM without being really really tired (nap time) or waiting for a few hours for longer REM cycles.

Also, it does have one point to take, it helps to keep your eyes still during WILDs (aka focused on one pt, as if you were unconcious); I heard this from a few random posts Ive read.

One of the (few) lucids I've had would probably classify under this method. The best I can describe it is going directly from looking at the play of light behind your eyelids into a dream. Prior to drifting off I was also focusing on the details of my expectant dream, setting, etc. I hadn't slept in a while though, and I think being able to fall asleep almost immediately was a pretty big factor.

Yes, I can rewrite the tutorial, but it being so simple should be very similar to the first post.

The FID: Focus into dream method of attaining lucidity:

1. When you are rested on your bed, choose a comfortable position and close your eyes.
2. Focus by staring in front of you which should be behind your closed eye lids. You should see some sparkling lights, blue-orange colors.
Try to not lose focus. (by getting into thoughts).

3. The rest is just waiting for the dream to come.
4. Once in the dream, stay focused on the dream scene and enjoy your lucid.

Hope this is a little more simpler and educational than the first one.

Any suggestions on reading material or classes for someone new to meditation?

A fun thing that I like to do when doing something is doing the reading after reading and comparing my experience with the ones in the books. Meditation is really simple, though there are variations, they are minor changes.

What I recommend is what are you trying to achieve with meditation. If you are trying to achieve relaxation, then try just sitting in the meditation posture and getting rid of all desires. Desires such as the desire to think, blink, control, etc. Of course your desire to move is already out of the question since your just sitting. This should result in you not thinking, or trying to control your emotions. A way to get rid of these desires is to just stay quite.

Then there are meditation which increase focus. Sati Vipassana is mindfulness meditation which include focusing on your breath when meditating or focusing in front of your closed eye lids.

And I do not have any recommendation for meditation since I myself have not read any book for meditation.




Good luck.

Sounds too good to be true.

But I shall try, don't fully understand what you mean when you say 'which should be behind your closed eye lids'. So basically, I just close my eyes and look straight forward, keeping my eyes still?

I just close my eyes and look straight forward, keeping my eyes still?

Yep, and the part where you got confused is referring to what your focus is on, which should be behind your closed eye lids.

Originally Posted by 1234567

Even so, he implies that you do the WILD without prior sleep. That obviously isn't going to work well, even if the person thinks it will.

I've had great success WILDing without prior sleep. One just has to workout in order to be tired enough to reach sleep paralysis quickly.

Night time WILDing is not difficult and is nowhere near impossible, you just need a good exercise schedule. As long as you have that, you're gold.

well tell us how you manage to wild and how much time pre sleep wild takes

Originally Posted by wana

well tell us how you manage to wild and how much time pre sleep wild takes

A friend IRL who I got into lucid dreaming had his first WILD by accident without prior sleep, he prefers it to WBTB as he hates getting up at 3 in the morning. However he's pretty much a natural at holding onto a fluid state of mind and can reach sleep paralysis extremely easily. He recommends a late night and to be mentally fatigued, he doesn't do much in the way of physical relaxation but recommends and empty bladder and being slightly cold.
Impediments include the long time it takes to have a successful WILD without prior sleep, his first intentional WILD may have taken almost an hour to complete. Also, entering sleep consciously from Non-REM involves all the more colourful parasomnic phenonema such as hypnic jerks and vibrations.
The main thing is to let your mind wander freely while you retain consciousness with an anchor, just take a relaxed attitude to the whole thing.


That said, if you can expend the effort to WILD w/o prior sleep then WBTB should be a piece of cake (in theory).

Originally Posted by wana

well tell us how you manage to wild and how much time pre sleep wild takes

Good job on making me feel unwelcome.

As I stated above, In order for one to have success with bedtime WILDIng they should workout daily. I do just that. I longboard and jog. When I do these two things I don't stop when I get tired, I push myself to and past my limit. When I don't exercise, I can't WILD at night -- it's as simple as that.

As for keeping track of time, or how long it takes to hit a dream, I'm too busy 'sleeping', making sure I am aware of myself to care. Also, I am contantly deepening my state of awareness.