Thread: LDD-Lucid Day Dream

Partially translated with google, edited and corrected by me . Here it is. Oh and by the way, if any of you would like the link to the original french version, here it is.

Originally written by Alexandre Nadeau

The technique has been created by Richard Bandler (co-creator of NLP) and afterwards modified by the author then translated by me.

Initially, Richard Bandler had created this technique to reproduce consciousness chemically induced states (drug, alcohol, anesthesia, coffee, etc..).

It was a great evidence that these substances were not a trigger for the body to produce the desired reaction as many people using this technique could get the same effect without using chemicals (that's just awesome and I [the author] did it several times with success).

For the exercise, you can select a state you want to live again and it could be any of: joy, peace, ecstasy, creativity, when you were in love, freedom, wonder, deep meditation, etc..

Have you chosen a state of consciousness?

Wonderful!

Let's go with exercise.

The trick is to ask a few questions and answer aloud. The questions in steps and more detailed explanations follow:

1 - When you walk into this state of consciousness, what changes first in your state of consciousness? (Answer aloud in sensory language. Answer the questions in simple terms)

2 - When you go more fully into this state of consciousness, what changes in your experience?

3 - How do you feel in your body when you're fully in this state of consciousness?

4 - What else?

Several important tips for best results.

1 - It is super important to answer aloud. Win Wenger discovered that the more we describe something aloud the more we become aware ... and I [the author] added , the more we describe a state of consciousness aloud, the more it is growing in us!

2 - Respond to sensory language.

When changing states of consciousness, there is always changes in your physical sensations (lighter, heavier, warmer, colder, more open, more tense, etc.).

There are also visual changes (I [the author] see brighter, more blurry, colors are more vivid, etc..) And auditory (I [the author] can not hear the ambient sounds I hear sounds in three dimensions, I feel the sounds, etc.)

It is very important to describe the changes that you live in response to questions in terms of what changes to make to the visual, auditory or felt in the moment when you ask questions (aloud or issues as ask someone to ask you).

3 - Emphasize changes in sensations. The sensations have tremendous influence on the states of consciousness and you have a lot of influence on your feelings by asking questions such as those presented earlier.

Take more time to describe the sensations, feelings and felt called "energy" in and around your body when you do this exercise.

4 - Repeat the cycle of questions several times if necessary.

It is possible that your state of consciousness is gradually changing. Continue to rest questions cyclically until you are in the desired state of consciousness.

At some point, the desired state is activated completely.

For some, it takes 30 seconds, and for others, it will take 15 minutes and that's okay.

If you do this exercise often with the same state of consciousness, you may be able to return in a few seconds because the path will be made. Just thinking about it will get you there!

---------------------------------------[author's experience with this technique]---------------------------------------

In the time that I was doing hypnosis, I used this technique because I did not have the patience to slowly say to a client: "Release your feet ... break your ankles ..." and move throughout the body as it in dribs and drabs.

Then I looked at the customer and our conversation like this:

- When you go into a trance, what changes in your first experience?

- I do not know, my breathing slows ... (Breathing slowed unwittingly?)

- What else?

- My body becomes soft and still... (He is totally still, he isn't even blinking his eyes)

- So what?

- My eyes closes ... (His eyelids fall partially)

- Ok, close them...

Laughter!

That's it! Rapid induction!

I gave this example to give you an idea of ​​the practical use of this technique. I could just as well apply to induce, in a state of sleep insomnia (I have often done successfully in the afternoon) or induce a state of creativity in a person who was suffering from a blank page (I have often successfully).

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Thank you to share as many!

Have a wonderful day!

Alexandre

Hm, this sounds interesting, though I have to admit I am a skeptic.

I suppose it would be possible to eventually train yourself to hallucinate, which would be cool, but I can't imagine the amount of devotion I would take. Also, at that point, you would be inceptioning yourself. After extensive training and success, I believe that you would slowly begin to lose track of reality, and what is and isn't a hallucination, which would be a terrible fate.

Lucid dreaming is wonderful, and it allows me to not waste 1/3rd of my life; but I'll keep it as that - 1/3rd of my life and no more. Waking life is beautiful and miraculous and unfathomably exciting - I will enjoy it without need of daydreaming.

~Raven

Originally Posted by RavenOfShadow

Hm, this sounds interesting, though I have to admit I am a skeptic.

I suppose it would be possible to eventually train yourself to hallucinate, which would be cool, but I can't imagine the amount of devotion I would take. Also, at that point, you would be inceptioning yourself. After extensive training and success, I believe that you would slowly begin to lose track of reality, and what is and isn't a hallucination, which would be a terrible fate.

Lucid dreaming is wonderful, and it allows me to not waste 1/3rd of my life; but I'll keep it as that - 1/3rd of my life and no more. Waking life is beautiful and miraculous and unfathomably exciting - I will enjoy it without need of daydreaming.

~Raven

That's what I thought, until I tried it.

I've been away for school reasons, but I've still been working on this. Here is a treat to prove it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga-nidra

From what I've read so far this seems to be what I've been talking about. I will get some books on the subject to study it further.

...and I'll catch up on the posts I missed soon!

I'm posting to let everybody who helped out here know that I've developed a technique for achieving the LDD. click here for the new thread, or click my signature to see the technique's tutorial.

I have a few more ideas for practice, but I think this is a good start. Thanks again for all your help, and enjoy!

Hi Finnegan!
Very fascinating!
I'm just now adding these sentences, in order not to mercilessly jump you with questions, without making it clear, that I would love to have this ability! In science-fiction terms this would be virtual-reality-overlay and sophisticatedly cabled into your very mental completeness, too.
A dream - but for doing it from within my mind - I believe myself too lazy, but I also somewhat fear the potential consequences.
I have real life passions, though, and something like this would be mind-blowing to have at hand to use.

Did you hear of another dream-come-true scenario, quite related - tulpas?
That would be analogous to "nurturing an artificial intelligence" to share your mind with, like one author had it - forgot now..

I am by nature sceptical as well - of your LDDing and tulpas both, if one really can pull it off.
But I believe, it is both possible, basically, and I choose to believe you/them.

Tulpas are not (primarily) about hallucinations, but they are included - it is about creating coherent, persisting, sentient and sapient "thoughtforms", quasi-separate entities to share your waking life mind with. A lot like the "dream-guide" concept in LDs - in the non-metaphysical meaning.
Here is a thread on it: http://www.dreamviews.com/tulpa-land...ion-guide.html
Will crossLink, maybe..

You can hallucinate touch - but you can't hallucinate pressure, is that so? I came across it in the context of tulpa-hallucinations.

I guess, the mechanism of hallucination is the same as in psychosis - which doesn't necessarily mean the former leads to the latter, but it worries me. How long have you been doing it? How much of your day do you practice LDD?

Do you have problems with hallucinations, which you hold for real in these endeavours - something your unconscious* throws up? Have you reacted in a particular way, because of believing that you see something with your real eyes instead of your mind's ones?
Are you at any time able to put an end to any perceptions except reality after the usual filtering?
Something like breaking hypnosis, maybe?

I have a lot more questions - but like with the tulpa concept and Linkzelda - my goal is lucid dreaming for now - and I would love to gain some respective insight about it from somebody like you, Finnegan, as well.

Seen from your perspective - could you please give us one or two pointers towards what you consider important in order to reach a higher rate and quality of LDs?






*By the way - I use 'the unconscious' instead of subconsciousness, because it is the neutral term, not connected to Freudian ideology.

Let me just ask:

How are we supposed to train this?

Does it feel like real life as well?

StephL :

Yes I have heard of tulpas, though I like to think they are not limited to creating living objects. Since tulpa apparently translates to `thought-form` I tend to think of them as a sort of dream come true. Since I was young I`ve been curious whether I could make something so real and clear in my mind that it becomes a part of reality, which is what I think the idea of the tulpa aims at. That same curiosity led me to experiment with dreaming/daydreaming at a young age, and more recently I've found the tulpa an interesting concept as the practitioners of the art apparently use a form of meditation that is very similar to the idea I've outlined here.


Here is a little anecdote that might convince you of the existence of the LDD for starters;
Watch this video, notice how the user moves a part of their body to train the device, yet it is later shown that simply imagining the moving of that part is sufficient to trigger the system. Click here for the video about brain computer interface technology.


It's possible to hallucinate pressure, I'm not sure why someone said it can't be done, although I have never had much use for it when fantasizing. Personally I find it's a relatively easy thing to hallucinate because I've experienced many times already, so I know what it's like to feel pressure. I can just link up my understanding of how pressure works with my bodies sensations to say a daydream of me pressing hand firmly on a wall, and I can clearly feel a rather realistic sensation as though I am doing exactly that.

Oh this reminds me of the classic hollywood reality check ("pinch me I'm dreaming") maybe that is where it comes from. But from previous experience with nightmares I can tell you that there is still pain in dreams, but like everything else in them it can be controlled through willpower.

The difference between this and psychosis is that it is a lot more mild than the latter, because the user consciously activates the hallucination and is in lucid control of it, instead of being at the whim of their subconscious. I usually use the ability while doing various types of art or really bored, which comes out to a few times a week or more, although that has been pretty much constant for the past 20 years, so I've logged some good hours.

I have always been great at DILDs, because I tend to instinctively be able to distinguish from dream and reality, so there has never been any issue with mistaking one for the other. This ability of mine also lends itself to daydreaming, I seem to be great at noticing differences and keeping track of which is which.

Dreams are sustained by the dreamers attention to them, you may have noticed that one of the best stabilization techniques is to pay close attention to the fine details of the dream. It is no different here, where the user can dissolve the daydream by instead simply focusing on the outer world.

Heh, I'm not nearly as proficient at lucid dreaming as I am at lucid day-dreaming. I find that once I'm unconscious It's not as easy to just up and think "I'm going to start controlling my perception", whereas once I'm awake I can do exactly that. This is why LDers use all sorts of tricks to wake the mind up while in a dream, I've side-stepped that whole bit for my day-dreaming practice. Although when I do have a lucid dream it's usually because I've fallen asleep while lucid daydreaming (causing a WILD) or my ability to naturally distinguish between inner and outer realities has crossed over into sleep (causing a DILD). I'm a lot better at controlling dreams than causing them, and can definitely answer any question you have on that regard, just PM me


Iriba:

To put it simply, it is accomplished by training one's imagination to the point of total control, and the ability can reach the same clarity as dreams, which have been known to become more vivid than the outer reality.

I've always done this but didn't know that it wasn't common. Now that I know more about it and its usefulness I'm gonna practice it.

I LDD for a lot of my spare time every day, and I usually daydream about how the world will be in the future, and some interesting what-if scenarios. For example, what would happen if India was a dictatorship and what would happen if American Football was more popular then European football. I also got good at doing this without closing my eyes.