Thread: LDD-Lucid Day Dream

Originally Posted by SIMDML

My way of LDDing seems pretty different. First, if I start with eyes closed or open it doesn't change anything since I lose awaraness of the real world wile doing it. The way it works for me is that I put all my attention on the daydream until the real world doesn't have a bit of by attention. Then I start playing around with visualization, some things are created by my subconscious but 90% is created by me. At the beginning it's foggy and unclear, but then I can focus on the "dream" and make it clearer. Everything is done with visualization, sometimes I can act in the dream as if it was a LD, but only when im really focused. Sory, that's all the time I have to write for the moment.

I am able to do this as well, although i experiment with many form of basic concept too. this particular way of LDDing is one of the more advanced prospects and for someone who doesn't naturally learn how do it requires some training to be able to. I believe the required skills can be acquired in the same way for the different forms of the ability (training both the conscious and subconscious acquisition of the required qualities through observation and invention then combining them to create a dream). thus there will be many subtypes of the LDD that branch off and specialize from the original induction technique.

This is how I learned, even if I started without quite knowing it would happen, but I'm sure it can be used by others to achieve the same effect.

Hey! I just found an article about how to induce any states of conciousness pretty fast. A friend of a friend shared it on Facebook, I wouldn't have found it otherwise. I won't post the link because it's in French, but I might translate it. After some practice you can enter any state of conciousness just by thinking about it! This is perfect for LDD, because you can enter a state of profound meditation instantly, and being relaxed helps a lot. I also found the key points to snapping out of reality, but I don't exactly know how you want to approach LDDing in the tutorial. I'll also look on the forum to see if there's a similar article to the one I found before translating it.

Happy dreams,
Simon

This all sounds very interesting and I'd like to explore this further. I know as a child my ability to visualise was amazing. I often projected things from my mind into my reality. This was an amazing experience for me, although often I would project nightmarish things if I was frightened which wasn't so much fun, and I felt it kind of isolated me from the world because no one else could do this and they couldn't understand. I've since lost this ability, or at least it's nowhere near as strong, and I'd very much like to get it back and make it better.

Now when i thought a little bit better about this, I can say that it seems to me that after all I am natural at this. But I'm not using this the same way as lucid dream. I think of it as a deep thought. I fully visualize any idea, put myself in memory or visualize my next lucid dream. This really helps my remember way better. It's strange to me that not everyone think that way. I think working on improving memory and visualizing skills is the first step to LDD...

SIMDML -I'm interested! honestly as far as how I'm going to approach it, I might find something useful in anything, though in the end I'm looking for simplicity and efficiency of the technique, though don't let that stop you from posting something if you think it's relevant; I'm very good at using others ideas and morphing them to fit my needs.

MRH92 -Always great to hear someone is interested by my work ^_^, feel free to look through this thread for ideas that might help you get back in the game, if anything works be sure to tell me everything about the experience, it would be great to get some feedback on my theories.

ninoslavi - I know this ability has potential far beyond the conventional concepts of lucid dreaming, and I'd love to hear more about how you make use of it. as I've referred to in earlier posts I often use this as a more in depth way of thinking. Cool to see that someone is working along similar lines, perhaps you can tell me some more detailed stories in the other thread

I haven'r daydreamed in a long time, because of ADA, so I really guess I have to make a choice here...

EDIT: I remember there was a time when I was younger, when I was really mad at my parents, and I had this long daydream about how I ran away from home, and it all felt so real, like I was dreaming...Would that be close?

I think I have this to an extent. I am able to get lost in my daydreams to the point where I lose awareness of reality, but the daydreams are generally somewhat hazy though, not too vivid or detailed. I did a bit of searching, and I believe this may have links to a "disorder" known as Maladaptive Daydreaming. I daydream pretty often; it has been like this ever since I was a little kid. I find daydreaming to be very soothing and calming, especially after a long day or when I'm just bored.

Might be a stupid question though... But i was talking with friend about this thread and we got little bit confused, what's exactly difference between daydreaming and visualization?...

Originally Posted by Checker666

Might be a stupid question though... But i was talking with friend about this thread and we got little bit confused, what's exactly difference between daydreaming and visualization?...

well visualization is often used as a misnomer, that is it means something other than what it's being used to say. The key is it's root word "visual" (something that is seen) whereas the LDD is intended as an umbrella term to apply to all media capable of being conceived in the mind. other than that it's just catchy nomenclature

I'm excited to hear you were talking about it with a friend I'm sure it's quite the conversation starter with the right people

Here's an update on what's happening currently

We've found some useful techniques for developing the LDD, my IRL friend GenericLDer and I have been swiftly advancing through the idea's we've gathered in this thread. Currently I am finding a way to describe the tech's in a simple and accessible way so they are widely available.

On a personal note, I have been building an animation studio for my own advanced practice and it is extremely helpful. The idea is as before that as you become adept with a certain skill, the subconscious is programmed to produce it's results faster and more accurately. So by learning the skill of recording my LDD's into an animated series, I will be focusing my minds ability to LDD. I'm in the middle of making a journal on everything I do for this project as a reference for others interested c:

I have no need for this, I got my first one, but thanks anyway.

Originally Posted by PostScript99

I have no need for this, I got my first one, but thanks anyway.

Great to hear! do you mind sharing the experience with us? Every success is more hope for me and other working to achieve this ^_^

I'm in algebra class, bored to death, and I put my head down on the desk and try to LDD. After a few minutes, I felt that I had lost touch of my physical body, but everything was still black. What was wrong? Oh, I wasn't daydreaming yet. I needed to kick it off with something, so I imagined the classroom, and I was there. All of a sudden, daydreaming kicks in, and I can feel a whirlwind of random thoughts assailing me. Each thought transformed my body into something else, but I managed to master the madness and flew through the ceiling to land outside, on the street. I could almost feel as if I were actually walking there, but...my visualization skills were not up to speed, so it was a little hazy. I wanted to be on a cliff on a desolate wasteland, with a small fort atop it, so I imagine that and it appears seamlessly at the end of the road. I walk into the fort and open the door into a small observatory, with a table, a chair, a telescope, and a quill pen. There was also a flagpole, so I summon an IOSDP flag and raise it. The teacher then gets on to me for "sleeping" in class, and only then do I realize how deep I was into it.

Beautiful results! Maybe not the best timing (I've definitely done similar things before , yet I love how classy your imagination is!

If you can do that in the middle of school, I'd love to hear what you're capable of during a nice secluded meditation session.

keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by Finnegan

Beautiful results! Maybe not the best timing (I've definitely done similar things before , yet I love how classy your imagination is!

If you can do that in the middle of school, I'd love to hear what you're capable of during a nice secluded meditation session.

keep up the good work!

Thanks. It was a far different animal than LDing was, though. How do you improve visualization?

Originally Posted by PostScript99

Thanks. It was a far different animal than LDing was, though. How do you improve visualization?

a good way to practice is studying things with your eye's then closing them and "remembering" with your minds eye. As you get better you can start seeing things more three dimensionally -move around it in the LDD to look at different angles. Once you are good at this you have some room to start improvising, adding, altering, or substituting details, eventually creatively building worlds. It might seem like a lot of work at first but it gets really easy with practice, many kinds of artists do this naturally, including myself, and it's very helpful

Originally Posted by Finnegan

a good way to practice is studying things with your eye's then closing them and "remembering" with your minds eye. As you get better you can start seeing things more three dimensionally -move around it in the LDD to look at different angles. Once you are good at this you have some room to start improvising, adding, altering, or substituting details, eventually creatively building worlds. It might seem like a lot of work at first but it gets really easy with practice, many kinds of artists do this naturally, including myself, and it's very helpful

I'll try it. Oh, and my meditation is hopeless right now. I hope I'll be able to do that someday.

Originally Posted by PostScript99

I'll try it. Oh, and my meditation is hopeless right now. I hope I'll be able to do that someday.

Alright, let me know how it goes, I'm looking forward to your progress

It's useful to have a wide referance base when building dreams, for example with visualization, the more things you have learned how to visualize, the easier it will be to incorporate them together to build something new. Even small details, such as how different objective qualites will act in different situations (I use this a lot to convince myself that a dream object is being moved by the required force I imagine -useful for flying and telekinesis), also subjective qualities like how how a mirrors perspective changes with mine. A lot of these things are acquired subconsciously, and can be called upon when in the proper trance that comes with LDDing.

Ok, it's been a while since I haven't posted here, I've been really busy. I dont know if im going to translate the article because I am still very busy... As promised, here's my guide into snapping out of reality:

The key to induce a LDD using this particular technique is controlling where you put your attention. If you want to, you can try this method while meditating, as seems to be easier, but this doesn't mean it's hard to do without meditating. You will visualize a scene of your choice, make it more realistic by focusing on small details, then try to visualize touch. This may seem hard at first but thrust me, it's not. You will rapidly develop this skill by practicing this technique. What will happen is that your attention will be driven into the daydream until it finally gets all your attention so the real world doesn't get any. It's important to point out that you should not be trying to perceive the transition, because if you do you will subconcioisly constantly check if you are still perceiving the real world, witch puts your attention into it. Just dont think about it, let it happen and it will be fine. At this point you will notice that everything is easier to visualize, since you are totally focused on the daydream. You can now continue to increase the realism by putting your attention into the details, then go on with what you planned to do. As everything is created by visualization, it's extremely easy to controll the daydream.

If anyone would give me some feedback it would be really appreciated. Also if you spot some mistypes or some parts of it are not clear just tell me, I'm not a native English speaker.

Originally Posted by SIMDML

Ok, it's been a while since I haven't posted here, I've been really busy. I dont know if im going to translate the article because I am still very busy... As promised, here's my guide into snapping out of reality:

The key to induce a LDD using this particular technique is controlling where you put your attention. If you want to, you can try this method while meditating, as seems to be easier, but this doesn't mean it's hard to do without meditating. You will visualize a scene of your choice, make it more realistic by focusing on small details, then try to visualize touch. This may seem hard at first but thrust me, it's not. You will rapidly develop this skill by practicing this technique. What will happen is that your attention will be driven into the daydream until it finally gets all your attention so the real world doesn't get any. It's important to point out that you should not be trying to perceive the transition, because if you do you will subconcioisly constantly check if you are still perceiving the real world, witch puts your attention into it. Just dont think about it, let it happen and it will be fine. At this point you will notice that everything is easier to visualize, since you are totally focused on the daydream. You can now continue to increase the realism by putting your attention into the details, then go on with what you planned to do. As everything is created by visualization, it's extremely easy to controll the daydream.

If anyone would give me some feedback it would be really appreciated. Also if you spot some mistypes or some parts of it are not clear just tell me, I'm not a native English speaker.

Thanks alot for the help! I love the point about not trying to percieve the change, makes a lot of sense. I would like to note that this is for a fully immersed LDD, while they can also be done as an overlay on your environment; such as when Da Vinci would stare at a block of marble planning each of his moves before he made the first.

much of your other ideas here are similar to where i plan to go with the tutorial, eventually it's to be very clear without any loose ends for people to get confused about.

This is great, we are surely edging toward a set of techniques that will help many people in achieving this

I didn't have the time to translate the article about the states of mind but I found one while searching for similar articles. Here it is. I also found this interesting thread about the visualization overlaying you were talking about. I think I'll be focusing a bit more on that.

I hope it helps,
Simon

Update! I discovered that when I LDD the exact same thing happens for VILD or V-WILD: I visualize until a point where I am so focused on the "dream" that my subconcioisly kicks in and starts adding elements. From this point I don't need to visualize anymore

I hope this tread will not die since (in my opinion) the concept is very interesting and has great potential.

Happy dreams,
Simon

this technique was originally coined by Tim post, the creator of lucidipedia.com, he have a very interesting explanation.

Thanks for sharing! I'll go check that out!