Best method for the long term?

[Saintzfan]

What would be the best method for a beginner such as myself to get down for the long term success? I want a method where I won't have to wake up every morning early then fall back asleep so I can LD. It seems like MILD would be the best for this, or is there a better option?

[LucasPotter]

Hello and welcome to DV! It sounds to me that what you're looking for is DILD. DILD information DILD Tutorial Of course, you also have to work on dream recall (which is why I'd suggest starting dream journal if you don't have one yet) and on reality checks.

[insaneshane]

Yeah just keep spinning when you feel your waking up

[FryingMan]

What would be the best method for a beginner such as myself to get down for the long term success? I want a method where I won't have to wake up every morning early then fall back asleep so I can LD. It seems like MILD would be the best for this, or is there a better option? For long-term success, adopting a "use the right tech for the right situation," be it DILD, WILD, or DEILD will undoubtedly give the most LDs. In the beginning, sticking with mainly one approach until you get close to your desired frequency is probably the right way to go. Note, though, about waking up, that Stephen LaBerge noted something like 5-20x more chances of achieving DILD when it came together with WBTB and late REM cycles (7th, 8th hours of sleep). You can still LD without WBTB, but the frequency may not be quite what you're hoping for. Everyone's different, however, so maybe DILD without WBTB will be just perfect for you. The point is that everyone sleeps and dreams differently -- so you need to start with the basic guides, and then experiment to find what works best for you. If you wake up quickly, WBTB need not be 30-45 mins. It could simply be journaling some keywords from your recall, and a quick bathroom visit, then BTB. It all depends on how long it takes for your mind to become alert after waking up.

[FryingMan]

Since you're asking about long-term success, you may want to look into ADA (all day awareness) or Hukif's variant, ADA/RC. ADA/RC is less intensive than ADA, since your attention is focused on just one thing. What that one thing is depends on the contents and trends of your dreams. I'm trying out a location ADA/RC: trying all throughout the day to always be aware of my location, especially transitions between locations. If you can get it to work, then the benefit of ADA is that you can get lucid in dreams all night long without all the other things like WBTB, spending time in between dreams on MILD or SSILD, and so on. It can take a while for it to work, perhaps months or more (?), but in terms of what's "best, not what's easiest" ADA or ADA/RC may be the absolute best.

[Sivason]

I would say MILD is a good long term bet. Fall asleep repeating something like "this is a dream." It is true that your WBTB awake period can be very short. I just get up and use the rest room and maybe look out the window for a couple minutes.

[VagalTone]

DEILD has the best effort / reward ratio, and will make you dream on demand. It´s not difficult, but it´s much easier if you have a good understanding of sleep cycles and WILD techniques, if your sleep routine is good and, here it comes an heresy, if you use an auto-snooze alarm ( alarm DEILD ). There is an ongoing thread on this particular alarm technique.

[FryingMan]

DEILD has the best effort / reward ratio, and will make you dream on demand. It´s not difficult, but it´s much easier if you have a good understanding of sleep cycles and WILD techniques, if your sleep routine is good and, here it comes an heresy, if you use an auto-snooze alarm ( alarm DEILD ). There is an ongoing thread on this particular alarm technique. What kind of success do you have doing DEILDs from NDs vs. LDs? The issue with NDs is that noticing that I'm awake comes much later. I haven't spent much effort on DEILDs from NDs (I try almost every time with LDs but no success yet, but I only have 8 DILDs so far so much more room for practice). Alarm is unfortunately not an option most of the time as I'm not alone in the bed, but I'll still check out that thread, thanks!

[VagalTone]

What kind of success do you have doing DEILDs from NDs vs. LDs? The issue with NDs is that noticing that I'm awake comes much later. I haven't spent much effort on DEILDs from NDs (I try almost every time with LDs but no success yet, but I only have 8 DILDs so far so much more room for practice). Alarm is unfortunately not an option most of the time as I'm not alone in the bed, but I'll still check out that thread, thanks! No problem that you can´t use an alarm. You may try with vibration next to your pillow or body. Also, i think some dream masks ( and probably some very soon future technology like aurora or LUCI ) may help to DEILD, if you set them to wake you up slightly. Anyway, if you want to wake up naturally but have a hard time noticing your awakenings, i ask you to make an experiment: see if you notice them better when you sleep longer, 1 hour more than your usual time. Other thing that help me is to just concentrate on this, not having another B-Plan. I put my intention just on this and don´t mix any other technique, so you feel you are taking a risk. My mind takes it more seriously. My sucess rate from nLDs when i can have all those conditions and (my sleep schedule is good for some days in a row) is very close to 100%. If my sleep is messed up, or my day was very bad, the balance needed to DEILD simply goes away.

[Mylynes]

What would be the best method for a beginner such as myself to get down for the long term success? I want a method where I won't have to wake up every morning early then fall back asleep so I can LD. It seems like MILD would be the best for this, or is there a better option? For the long term, if by best you mean more lucids and less non lucids. I would suggest the constant background rc. Can be very hard to learn at first, but with practice it is possible to achieve a 100% lucidity rate. http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...0%25-time.html

[Laurelindo]

I think you can get very far simply by intending to recognize that you are dreaming every time you go to bed; I guess this qualifies as MILD. Decide for yourself that you are going to have a certain number of lucid dreams before a certain date. This will keep lucid dreaming on your mind and make it easier to remember this goal in the dreams as well.