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      I would also be interested in seeing how this goes. Theoretically I think if you associate someone as a LD mentor or guide in general who has a meaningful impact on you then they might pop into your dreams in that same mentor role, but I'm not sure if they would be a proper 'Dream Guide' as such or just your attempt at making one. For example one lucid I had Sivason's avatar came floating towards me and showing me his dream control powers, far superior to mine (long story haha). This was very weird and unexpected but I think because I see him as so knowledgeable about LDing my subconscious decided to throw him in as a guide figure. Whether you can deliberately create a pseudo-guide like that or a full fledged dream guide deliberately, either way, would be pretty cool!
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      Thank you guys for the interest and motivation!
      I'll keep this thread updated with my progress... I'm not sure if it counts but I had this tonight, during an early awakening (after ~4.5 hours of sleep) -

      I woke up and went to the bathroom to pee and meanwhile to recall the dreams I had. It felt like I just had some, but couldn't recall them. Returning to bed I was starting to do a sort of short mantra WILD (with no WBTB other than the pee break). As I got relaxed and the mantra was in my head at that point (so after the body "numbed out") I decided to try to dream guide idea. So I visualized the figure I chose for it, and imagined it standing in a white room and telling me the mantras instead of me telling them to myself (a loop of - "you'll remember your dreams", "next thing you'll see is a dream", instead "I'll" and "my"). I have to admit that the visualization kinda sucked in quality and it was hard to maintain it, and it felt like if I'll try to keep it up I might wake my body up But then something cool happened, and when she said "you'll remember your dreams" for maybe the tenth time or more - I suddenly recalled a huge fragment of a dream - a calendar page with a code written in hidden ink on it. So I focused on that memory and most of that dream floated up (the dream was "epic", quite long, and sci-fi-ish), and I also recalled another dream that followed this one - it was shorter and was the dream from which I woke up.

      Of course, because of focusing on recalling as much as possible I had to wake up fully and also decided to record them (both were quite interesting). After that, I tried to repeat this process (kinda WILD with the guide telling me the mantra) - but had no farther results (woke up 2 more times and tried to repeat the process, recalled a total of 6 dreams, no LDs but all relatively detailed, the guide made no appearance on her own).

      To be honest, I'm not sure that the guide was what made me recall the dreams. I mean, it happens that some fragment suddenly floats up to the surface... But the timing seemed kinda convincing, plus I got the visual of that page as if she was holding it (in the actual dream, a random woman was holding the page, and I stole a look of it to solve the puzzle before her and the others... long story...)

      Quote Originally Posted by BlairBros View Post
      Theoretically I think if you associate someone as a LD mentor or guide in general who has a meaningful impact on you then they might pop into your dreams in that same mentor role, but I'm not sure if they would be a proper 'Dream Guide' as such or just your attempt at making one. For example one lucid I had Sivason's avatar came floating towards me and showing me his dream control powers, far superior to mine (long story haha). This was very weird and unexpected but I think because I see him as so knowledgeable about LDing my subconscious decided to throw him in as a guide figure. Whether you can deliberately create a pseudo-guide like that or a full fledged dream guide deliberately, either way, would be pretty cool!
      All my dream guides were of a similar variety to which you described in your example. For instance, one of my more reoccurring "guides" is a friend from when I was in mid-to-high school. We always talked about LDing in real life and he was a better dreamer than me, so I guess that this is why we nearly always talk about it whenever he makes a random appearance in my dreams, lucid or not (even though I haven't seen him for years).
      Is there any other kind of dream guide, though? I think that all dream guides have their roots in a figure we see as a mentor or a peer of sorts in real life. At least I'm not familiar with a truer kind of dream guide - so I'm not sure what is the "full fledged" kind?

      Either way, I'm trying to create a dream guide like this (like that friend from school), but one that is not from my RL - so whenever I'll see that character I'll be at least more suspicious that it's a dream because the character didn't / doesn't / won't have other roles in my life. Also, guides from RL tend to appear randomly and rarely, but maybe an artificial one would have more appearances (so getting the hint will be more likely). Of course it doesn't seem like the most efficient way, but oh well...

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      ^^
      I am not 100% on this sort of stuff, but some people believe that you can have a/multiple dream guides who are more spiritual and ... independent I guess than something you create. They sort of already existed and didn't need to be created. It gets a bit murky here with people's different spirituality and beliefs but I think that is generally considered to be a 'full fledged' dream guide, or at least that was the sense in which I was using the term. In practicality though I don't really think there would be too much difference between an artificially created DG and a spontaneous one, however as I said I'm no expert so I can't be certain .
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