Thread: Instadreamer - Why I'm Not Supporting it (and why you shouldn't either)

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Actually, I think the 'InstaDreamer' vibrating wristband idea is quite genius. The day-mode/night-mode design seems promising. It vibrates daily to remind you to reality check and then while you're asleep to remind you again to reality check. Seems like a supplemental device that may positively impact the frequency of LDing. Just my opinion though.

Originally Posted by dream

Actually, I think the 'InstaDreamer' vibrating wristband idea is quite genius. The day-mode/night-mode design seems promising. It vibrates daily to remind you to reality check and then while you're asleep to remind you again to reality check. Seems like a supplemental device that may positively impact the frequency of LDing. Just my opinion though.

Now, the idea of the band is good, sure. But the tech cannot be what it promises to be (of looking at your vitals, etc), simply because it's not technologically possible in a cost-effective manner, given the device's scale, especially on the budget they got.

Very very seriously, just get a vibrating toy that vibrates at semi-random intervals. Much cheaper, same effect... Then you can put it under your pillow or in your pocket. Heck I'm sure there's some phone app that can do the same thing for free; it's really easy to program something like that.

You can see my previous reply on the other post from Daniel, but believe what you want though, it's your money.

Originally Posted by DarkestDarkness

Now, the idea of the band is good, sure. But the tech cannot be what it promises to be (of looking at your vitals, etc), simply because it's not technologically possible in a cost-effective manner, given the device's scale, especially on the budget they got.

Very very seriously, just get a vibrating toy that vibrates at semi-random intervals. Much cheaper, same effect... Then you can put it under your pillow or in your pocket. Heck I'm sure there's some phone app that can do the same thing for free; it's really easy to program something like that.

You can see my previous reply on the other post from Daniel, but believe what you want though, it's your money.

True. It's basically just a vibrating wristband. I honestly wouldn't consider buying it. It's a neat idea, but then again... is it really necessary? There does exist a phone app called "Awoken" that does the very same thing.

I had some minor success with pavlovian response. However, I won't rely on it and apps like Awoken can somewhat do the job. I would rather rely on my own natural faculties to become lucid as it's more reliable, but I can understand the appeal for beginners in wanting a easy way into lucidity. My advice will always be to consider any devices you use or supplements you take as a support and not a replacement for developing your natural ability.

I don't think this is really that new, as Oneirics Electronics (a previous kickstarter project last updated on face book like 3 years ago) used a Mask with a Braclet trainer concept too.

As for being able to detect REM from just the wrist there was the BASIS PEAK, but it was developed by a fairly large company, not to mention the fact that after being aquired by intel for many millions of dollars every BASIS tracker ever made was recalled for safety reasons. (I was just about to buy one when I figured it would be on sale for the coming christmas when I found out it was being recalled and discontinued)

But while its nothing new and may not have the funding or know how to ever actually come to market (Hey Oneirics when will your bracelets be out?), the Idea certainly sounds like a good one.

Oneirics also planned to have random conditioning to vibration but to track REM a differnt way then signal the band.

What I don't like is that this device says it will connect by WiFi after the fact.

I have a blue-tooth sleep tracker that often accurately detects my REM, I know when it does because I have trained myself to wake pretty much after every dream (more or less) and often I check the subsequent hypnogram vs my notes/audio dream journal recordings, and it has detected me to be dreaming just before these wake times. (but It only shows this after the fact as well when you tell it to stop tracking, although it often doesn't show any REM when I remembered a dream).

I think a vibrating band might work for me, but I would want one I could wear on my ankle, and I would like it to be something I could wear during the day with random conditioning (just as the Onerics and this band claim they will do)

But I would also like it if it could receive a signal from other devices, or send to other devices in real time.

Daniel mentions scent as penetrating into dreams. I have a WiFi scent dispenser, I wish it could be hooked to my sleep detecteor through IFTTT or some other way, and would wish the same for this band if it ever comes to exist.

I wouldn't care if all it did was vibrate and answer, if it could talk to other devices I could have my
S+ sleep detector detect Dream (then if it could in real time call to the IFTTT or whatever device or app, and then in turn contact my AREA scenting device and spit out some vanilla scent, while telling this band to vibrate


So I'll wait and see what if anything comes out in 2019 or some subsequent year

but if it can talk to other devices (My AREA currently can't) (My S+ was highly modded software wise by one lucid dreamer to be able to detect in real time and talk to at least some other devices he was using sound) (also I have Many Philips Hue Lights as well as some LIFX ones) (and I have speakers too of course) then I would probably buy one, especially if it turned out to be highly flexible and could be worn on the ankle.

Once I have the ability to connect REM detection (by whatever means) to my existing Sound, Sight, and Secent Devices, I would certainly want to have Tactile sense available too

As for in the current inventors comment about finding the optimal moment, I would just want the signal to be picked up and conveyed to my IFTTT or whatever within about 30sec to 2min of detection, then I would want to be able to singal some or all other devices to trigger their various signal such as vibration, flashing, scent release, ambient sound or verbal message.

I have had some success with secnt and sound so far, but it has been very hit and miss, scince it was never hooked to the REM detection in real time.

Iwinks Aurora was going to be bad at detecting rem, and I called them out on it many times, but at least in principal could still to some very small very imprecise percentage do so, since it still had some electrodes, badly placed, no ground, but they were still there.

InstaDreamer on the other hand doesn't even have electrodes. It's like these kickstarter lucid dream devices are in competition to see who can create the worst possible device. I use a sport watch, one that has sleep cycles all that good stuff. It's great for ruining, can show great vital details on my heart rate and movement, for RUNNING but it is insane to say this tec is gonna detect rem.

If you give money to this you will regret it.