Thread: Natural LDs with almost no technique

hasnt worked for me, i dont feel like i was truly confident.

Llvlindless, I tried this technique and believe it or not it actually worked! Well...kind of, because I think I was only semi-lucid,if there is such a word. Here is how it went down. I spent the entire day with confidence that I would have a lucid dream, there were a few moments when I would say "I will become lucid" a few times in my head and even out loud a few times. I even had a banana and a glass of milk before I went to bed. My dreams were a bit more detailed, yet I was only able to remember a few bits and pieces, for example there was this one dream where I was sitting next to my dad in this truck and I was unloading this rifle. Anyway, the lucid dream occured during this false awakening when I was lying in my bed, and out of reflex I guess, I pinched my nose and I could breathe, which I thought was very peculiar so I pinched it harder and I could still breathe, so then I wondered "Am I dreaming?" And then I realized I was and tried to get out of bed, I had a bit of difficulty because I think I was halfway between the dreaming world and the waking world. Anyway I was in this office of some kind with all these people running around, and they didn't even know I was there. I tried using stabilization techniques like trying to keep myself calm, rubbing my hands, and even doing the "increase lucidity" phrase, but none of them seemed to work. It was as if my dreaming body was too close to the waking world and nothing I did was going to stop me from waking up, and I'm sure other people have had this problem. But, I was lucid nonetheless and hopefully I will become lucid again. Maybe I should try to imagine myself in a more peaceful setting like in a forest instead of a busy office next time. I apologize if this post is really long but there was a lot I needed to explain, thank you.

I tried this last night and it worked, haha!

When going to bed, I repeated, "I'm going to have a lucid. man, this is going to be cool coz I'll become lucid. I'm going to be able to control my dream. Awesome!" and kept thinking this (almost when your trying to encourage someone to do something, same concept). I did this for about a min

Then in my dream I was in this military mode and moving along the side of a road (there was a field too my left that had some enemies, and to my right was about a 6ft high embankment then the road. For some reason, I then knew I was dreaming and thinking questions. Then, like always, my dream started to wash out, I then became unlucid and my dream continued. Oh well

I was also on the forums reading about stuff for a good 30mins, so maybe my head was in that mode? I'll try again tonight

I tried this last night and it worked! I said my affirmation about who i wanted to dream about, but with feeling and with confidence, and it worked! Although i wasn't lucid and couldn't do anything i wanted. But i haven't been lucid for a while any way so this technique really works. I'm going to try it again tonight and make an affirmation about something elese when i figure out what i want to dream about and see what happens, this stuff is good what you posted.

Originally Posted by topten35

I tried this last night and it worked! Although i wasn't lucid and couldn't do anything i wanted.

If you didn't become lucid, why do you say this technique works?

this should definitely be stickied. Just woke up from a lucid dream. Didn't use any of the reality checks that I had been practising a couple days ago. Let me explain how I got such a vivid lucid dream (actual like full waking life recall, intact projective memory... the works)
1. Dream journal: I only had recorded 3 nights of dreams (but my recall is pretty good anyway) make it as detailed as possible and make notes on the side about other dreams from that night that you remember.
2. Read about lucid dreams. you can find ebook torrents and the dream journals here are great.
3. I listened to binaural beats (set to theta which may increase learning) at the same time as listening to subliminal lucid dream suggestions.
4. Listened to brainwave mind voyages lucid dreaming cds.
5. Meditated. (just let your thoughts wonder, close your eyes and listen to music).
6. Made a list of things to do in my dream.
7. Did many reality checks during the day. If you reality check make sure to do it when you first wake up, when you see something weird, or attach it to some obsessive thought or activity (the last one might make reality checking less effective and memorable)

OK so points 1, 2 and 6 I think are definitely vital. All the others may be useful, but I don't know, I'm gonna stop some of them for a while.
Reality checks: I was doing maybe 50 reality checks a day at one point but during dreams I never remembered to do them. I think remembering to reality check in a dream would be after I was already lucid in my case so it's of little use. Dreamsigns are what allowed me to become lucid. when I stopped doing reality checks for a couple of days is when I had a lucid dream.

Dream Journals: improves memory and awareness in dreams

List of goals: stops you panicking when you become lucid. builds up confidence and implies confidence in lucid abilities

CONFIDENCE is the key. It's not that hard to build confidence. Almost everything you do can help you build up an awareness of the disparities between dreaming and waking life. so remember that you already have more than enough practice and experience.

Unfortunately my lucid dream was the last dream of the night and I was woken up by my mom before I could do everything on my list. I went to bed at 5 am (much later than usual) and had the dream at about 11.45 am after a false awakening. I woke up much later than usual which might have allowed my extra awareness.

I don't doubt the possibility of this at all. Motivation and confidence are the best tools for doing anything, even if it's destructive

However, chronic MASTERBATION has pretty much obliterated my confidence in anything regarding lucid dreaming. Whenever I go to bed, for some reason, a woman starts undressing herself, and before you know it, I'm passing out after a waking wet dream, with no control over the REM cycle whatsoever.

Oh well, could be worse lol

oh noes you got woken up by an orgasm. what a horrible way to wake up.

I joke. I doubt your masturbation is chronic or getting in the way of lucid dreaming. Actually, masturbation lowers the chance of having a wet dream, so if you are a chronic masturbator and still have wet dreams then you just probably have an over sexed mind.
you'd never guess what I did in my false awakening.. I jerked off, and then I fell asleep and began a lucid dream. I jerked off 3 times before I went to bed as well. What I'm trying to say is that masturbating didn't really affect my ability to become lucid at all, and neither did having a dirty mind and an insatiable sex drive.
you could just masturbate as much as you like, ditch the excuses and get some confidence.

I consider it a reason more than an excuse. You misunderstood what I said. I said whenever I go to bed. That doesn't mean "whenever I sleep." I almost never dream of sexual orientation, and I have never woken up with a mess in my pants.

The second I close my eyes, the images just pour in, though, and I can't calm myself when sexually aroused. I have fallen asleep before finishing, though, but find it hard to remember the dreams I have afterwards.

Masturbation actually has alot to do with confidence and motive. Relieving yourself without any goal in mind is like having desert without dinner, there's no real work involved to get the reward.

oh right. I find masturbation clears my mind a lot and it only lowers my confidence with women.. everything else stays the same, but I guess it's different for different people. But I actually get insomnia if I don't masturbate so, maybe masturbation might help you get to sleep without having sexual thoughts. Maybe it's a legitimate reason but I'm almost certain you could find some way around it.

How i got my first big lucid

Step One: Don't maserbate
Step two: Wake up
Step three: Masterbate
Step Four: Listen to some music
Step Five: Go to sleep
Step Six: ???
Step Seven: PROFIT!!!

I also apologise to anyone who is not comfortable with masterbation :/, sorry.

sweet...

ps this is a dream forum,
so,
i can only speak for myself,
but people talk about sex all the time here as i am guessing you've noticed too
as long as it's done in context of dreaming i don't think anyone's eyebrows will fly up in shock!
congrats on your first lucid! and thanks for sharing

Woa It worked for me the 2nd time....

Awesome work...!!!

Lol, this thread slipped over pretty quickly onto the topic of masterbation.

I do agree that refusing to do so improves initiative, but I consider many women I know a complete abundance other than their attractive appearances, so there's pretty much no point in bothering, when it'll only end with the same thing as masterbation anyway.

No offense to any women who are actually intelligent.

i tried yesterday night but not work for me....sigh

Adding this as a tool for my nightly lucidity goal.

Originally Posted by nechong

i tried yesterday night but not work for me....sigh

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even though I've had this work for me several times, all my LDs done just from sincere self-assurance have been less rewarding than than the typical LD. For me the main problem is, I struggle to hold on to lucidity with this method. But of course all this may be different for you, I'm just sayin'

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I've tried this technique two nights in a row, but I still haven't had a lucid dream. Something very strange has been happening, though.

For example, last night while I was falling asleep I imagined a dream I had the other night about being on the edge of a desert with weird gnarled trees all over, and I imagined doing a RC and becoming lucid. I decided that this was going to happen, there was nothing I could do about it, etc., and then thought about other things until I fell asleep.

Both nights that I've done this same process, I woke up around 4:40 AM, and remembered just having had a fairly extensive dream. I then fell asleep for 10-20 minute intervals, having one dream at a time before waking up after each one. This went on until about 5:30, at which point I fell asleep until about 9:00 and had a REALLLY long dream (today it was about an entire first day at school, complete with 6 full classes and a presentation at the auditorium).

yea same thing happened to me last night when I tried this "non-method". I didn't become lucid, but I had 2 dreams, and one of them was like a 2 hour movie. However I didn't record the dream so at this point I can't remember much, but i'm pretty sure it was super long! oh well, better luck next time.

ARE YOU DREAMING?

Yes it really does work. Because thanks to my confidence I got to have a couple of Lucid Dreams. One of them was in early April around the 1st or 2nd the other one on the 6th and the other one on the 7th .

This is definitely true. I find when you 'know' you're going to have a lucid dream that night rather than think/hope you will, you almost always do.

Also I rememeber when I was first strating out and wasn't so confident in my ability somehting that really helped was using the NLP timeline technique (I think it goes by a few other different names too). Using this in place of a normal affirmations / mantra really sped up my progress in having more regular lucid dreams.

Timeline technique:
Basically if you visulaize your life on a timeline with your past extending out in one direction, usually either off to your left or behind you, and your future off in the other direction. Then you can imagine floating up out of your 'present body' and moving along over the future part of youu timeline untill you get to some point where you see yourself as regularly having lucid dreams and are very confident in your ability to induce them on demand. Then you drop in to this 'future you' and take a couple of minutes to really feel how this future version of yourself does; What does this person feel like being able to have lucid dreams on demand, how do they talk about it, what is thier body languag elike etc. You can then return to the present version of yourself whilst holding on to this feeling.

Even if you don't start off feeling that confident your mind is easily able to imagine what it would be like to feel like that when given a chance, and once you are feeling like that it still has the same effect on your ability to induce LDs - it doens't really matter that you just imagined that feeling of confidence into being!

Hope thats helpful.

Also I was just wondering if anyone else ever tried something similar? How did it work out for you?

I WILL lucid dream tonight
update tomorrow with results

I WILL HAVE A LD 2nITE !!!

You are using the law of attraction simple believe and you will receive you can use this in every area of your life it's fun it works

Originally Posted by InfiniteMinds

This is definitely true. I find when you 'know' you're going to have a lucid dream that night rather than think/hope you will, you almost always do.

Also I rememeber when I was first strating out and wasn't so confident in my ability somehting that really helped was using the NLP timeline technique (I think it goes by a few other different names too). Using this in place of a normal affirmations / mantra really sped up my progress in having more regular lucid dreams.

Timeline technique:
Basically if you visulaize your life on a timeline with your past extending out in one direction, usually either off to your left or behind you, and your future off in the other direction. Then you can imagine floating up out of your 'present body' and moving along over the future part of youu timeline untill you get to some point where you see yourself as regularly having lucid dreams and are very confident in your ability to induce them on demand. Then you drop in to this 'future you' and take a couple of minutes to really feel how this future version of yourself does; What does this person feel like being able to have lucid dreams on demand, how do they talk about it, what is thier body languag elike etc. You can then return to the present version of yourself whilst holding on to this feeling.

Even if you don't start off feeling that confident your mind is easily able to imagine what it would be like to feel like that when given a chance, and once you are feeling like that it still has the same effect on your ability to induce LDs - it doens't really matter that you just imagined that feeling of confidence into being!

Hope thats helpful.

Also I was just wondering if anyone else ever tried something similar? How did it work out for you?

That seems to make more sense then just trying to create "blind belief."