Thread: Hypnagogics - ignore or focus?

ive had 2 wilds not really paying attention, and 1 wild/vild by option #3

When you experience HI just be aware of the images and don't analyze them at all. Don't even think "wow this is cool". Just remain nonchalant and emotionless. In other words, acknowledge what is going on but be disinterested and semi-dettached all the while keeping a vague notion at the back of your mind of "I'm dreaming". Eventually you should find yourself being sucked into one of the images and a dreamscape will fully form around you.

Well, it's been covered now. But I just want to say that this is wrong.

If you are attempting a WILD, you need to trick your body into thinking your mind is asleep

I know that was probably a type since you said it right in number 3. But I've seen people say this before and it's completely wrong.
Your body goes to sleep while your mind is awake. Your body can't LD, or think for that matter, so you can't trick it.

Originally Posted by tommo

Well, it's been covered now. But I just want to say that this is wrong.

I know that was probably a type since you said it right in number 3. But I've seen people say this before and it's completely wrong.
Your body goes to sleep while your mind is awake. Your body can't LD, or think for that matter, so you can't trick it.

I would have to disagree, your body doesn't goto sleep unless it knows your mind is asleep, the only way for your body to tell if your mind is asleep or not is if you keep completely still.

I know this first hand.

You can however think about things, but then it just takes your body longer to goto sleep, but as long as you remain stilll.....

Originally Posted by TheMoon

I would have to disagree, your body doesn't goto sleep unless it knows your mind is asleep, the only way for your body to tell if your mind is asleep or not is if you keep completely still.

I think theres probably way more to it than simply keeping still or not thinking. I have laid in bed for hours on end without moving and had no results, but then laid still with slight movements and managed to WILD. Sometimes my mind wanders, sometimes it is blank, and either way it hasnt really done much for me or apparently many others.

Hi is when the dream begins to form. The only difference between HI and normal dreaming is that you don't have a dream body. So what you should do is try to shake one loose.

If you check out some Astral Projection forums, they have tons of techniques on how to leave your body that work quite well in that situation. Stuff like rolling out of your body, or bouncing out.

Originally Posted by Shift

I think theres probably way more to it than simply keeping still or not thinking. I have laid in bed for hours on end without moving and had no results, but then laid still with slight movements and managed to WILD. Sometimes my mind wanders, sometimes it is blank, and either way it hasnt really done much for me or apparently many others.

Recent experience makes me agree with shift.
I spent an hour trying to WILD.
Got to the stage where I was more aware of my mind than body.
I also managed to "passively" watch HI mini-dreams. The still absorbed me when they occured, but at the end of each one the impact was less jarring, and I knew what had happened.

Any-hoo, after an hour I kinda gave up, turned around a couple of times, couldn't get comfortable then snuggled into my wife.

Next thing I know the SP hits and my dream body starts wildly spinning in bed. Then I get up and I'm in a FA lucid.

That's interesting. There's so many tech explanation here about what to do when you get an itch or whatever. According to you two it doesn't matter.
What could be the cause behind WILD'ing then?
Simply staying aware as you fall asleep?
Are all these HI methods pointless? or just other ways to keep you aware, but not too aware to fall asleep.?

Originally Posted by TheMoon

I would have to disagree, your body doesn't goto sleep unless it knows your mind is asleep, the only way for your body to tell if your mind is asleep or not is if you keep completely still.

Do you realise that you're saying your body is thinking?

It's more like, your brain realises your body has been still for a long time, it send a little signal like an itch to test if it's asleep. If you don't respond by scratching your brain makes your body fall asleep.