Thread: Calling All Dream Warriors (Roll Call)

i will read them. I doubt that the paranormal can be studies through science, simply that just because our current science does not support it, does not mean it not real.

I used to read a magazine called the spiritual scientist before the days of the internet. Here is their website:

Spiritual Scientist

Thanks I'll check it out

Originally Posted by bennerman

If you guys like battle, then just go ahead and join him. If he is wrong, you got a few good fights out of it, if he is right, you saved the world.

I'm in! I'm constantly doing battle, and winning, in my dreams, mostly with telekinesis (even in my non-LDs) or swords. I don't share the strength of conviction that others have, but hey, I've always been a sucker for make-believe. And there is something to following a warriors code in your life to bring balance to the mind and self worth to the ego.

On the principles of Science and possibilities, I err on the side of Mzzkc, however, and like any good scientist the mind is never closed to the possibilities. Call me out if I'm wrong Mzzkc if what I say is false, but you all see his skepticism as an attack on your beliefs, but far from it. Only an idea, faced with the harshest review and skepticism is worth being considered as a possibility. He wasn't trying to tear down these concepts, he was giving you the opportunity to show him the validity of it.

Originally Posted by RebelSeven

I'm in! I'm constantly doing battle, and winning, in my dreams, mostly with telekinesis (even in my non-LDs) or swords. I don't share the strength of conviction that others have, but hey, I've always been a sucker for make-believe. And there is something to following a warriors code in your life to bring balance to the mind and self worth to the ego.

On the principles of Science and possibilities, I err on the side of Mzzkc, however, and like any good scientist the mind is never closed to the possibilities. Call me out if I'm wrong Mzzkc if what I say is false, but you all see his skepticism as an attack on your beliefs, but far from it. Only an idea, faced with the harshest review and skepticism is worth being considered as a possibility. He wasn't trying to tear down these concepts, he was giving you the opportunity to show him the validity of it.

no i agree that his skepticism is reasonable and definetely agreeable. I've just been trying to make a point that no one seems to understand. Lemme try and rephrase it. We are a very young society, although we know vastly more than we have ever before, we still know very little. Science is an ever developing process. Now, dreams are something that have been tried to be studied by science throughout all history. They are still trying to be studied and still to do this day, there are only theories, no laws or facts regarding the nature of dreams. Now where Mzzkc and other peoples skepticism lies, is in the more "supernatural" nature of dreams which is shared dreaming, astral projection, etc. This is completely understandable I used to be a skeptic myself. And yes I completely agree that Science can study the nature of these more uncertain concepts. But Science is not yet advanced enough to disprove such things. And considering that many people on this site, including me, have experienced shared dreaming, there has to be some scientific explanation for shared dreaming. If one cannot be found, it should not discredit such things, because it is uncertain whether or not shared dreaming even takes place on this plane of existence. I completely advocate the scientific study of paranormal things such as shared dreaming, and am open to its implications. However, all it really boils down to for now, at humanities still young and naive age, is if you believe in it or not. When a scientific approach fails, an approach of belief is the only one that works. If you do not believe that it is true, whether due to lack of scientific evidence or such, then thats great. But it is not closed mindedness to believe in such things, especially when one has experienced it.

also, as Waking Nomad pointed out, there are many variations of the definitons of science, using a different variation of that definition does not make one "confused as to what science is".

Originally Posted by Atras

...Science can study the nature of these more uncertain concepts. But Science is not yet advanced enough to disprove such things. And considering that many people on this site, including me, have experienced shared dreaming, there has to be some scientific explanation for shared dreaming. If one cannot be found, it should not discredit such things, because it is uncertain whether or not shared dreaming even takes place on this plane of existence...

So the main point you're defending is that no one can dis-prove, by any means we have at our disposal,the existence of such things as astral projection and shared dreaming etc. and therefore is still a possibility. But no one was disagreeing on this point. What we all want to happen is to get to the truth about these things and questioning it and systematically defining and understanding the components are the first steps to finding that truth. Faith is nice, but faith also means giving up on trying to understand, and when that happens it will never become a valid scientific truth.

Originally Posted by RebelSeven

So the main point you're defending is that no one can dis-prove, by any means we have at our disposal,the existence of such things as astral projection and shared dreaming etc. and therefore is still a possibility. But no one was disagreeing on this point. What we all want to happen is to get to the truth about these things and questioning it and systematically defining and understanding the components are the first steps to finding that truth. Faith is nice, but faith also means giving up on trying to understand, and when that happens it will never become a valid scientific truth.

I agree. My comment was more directed at skeptics rather than those trying to prove shared dreaming.

Let me rephrase that, it was directed at skeptics rather than those trying to understand the nature of shared dreaming through scientific means. I'm all for that.

And you are incorrect when you say faith gives up understanding. I have faith in shared dreaming, yet I still wish to understand the scientific nature of it, and would try to prove it through scientific means if I had them at my disposal

Atras, please do not triple post. Use the edit button, instead of just making a another reply. *Fixed*

Also, may I interject and say that placing faith in anything, before it is proven, hinders the ability to understand why it might not be true? This is because placing faith in it means that you believe it is true - so any evidence to tell you the opposite is, naturally, 'flawed or incomplete.' Only when you look at such a question neutrally (that is: without faith) can you work, equally and rationally, toward concluding whether or not the phenomenon is true. To have faith is to be biased, and bias clouds judgment. I believe that might have been what RebelSeven was saying.

That might be true for others, but for me, I have faith In shared dreaming, but I am open to other possibilities. If somehow it was proved that shared dreaming was not real I would accept that fact. It is kinda hard to not have faith in something that you have personally experienced. But I get what you are saying, and as a result of this discussion my opinions are already started to change. So although I may have faith I'm something, it is not grounded, solid, inflexible faith

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

To have faith is to be biased, and bias clouds judgment. I believe that might have been what RebelSeven was saying.

yes thank you.

So although I may have faith I'm something, it is not grounded, solid, inflexible faith

Then faith is the wrong word. Perhaps belief, certainty, or judgement, but not faith.

Originally Posted by RebelSeven

yes thank you.



Then faith is the wrong word. Perhaps belief, certainty, or judgement, but not faith.

Yeah I guess I am using the wrong word.

ok, lol I think we can let this thread get back on topic

Originally Posted by RebelSeven

ok, lol I think we can let this thread get back on topic

Yeah that was a pretty intense digression haha.

I´m at least going to become a dream warrior after this. You know, for fun and "just in case". I´m one of those people who do things "just in case". An agnostic. Besides, if it includes beating the hell out of something, i´m in!

Originally Posted by MrIrony

I´m at least going to become a dream warrior after this. You know, for fun and "just in case". I´m one of those people who do things "just in case". An agnostic. Besides, if it includes beating the hell out of something, i´m in!

Love the scarlet letter quote .

I was a warrior in Japan 10 lifetimes ago. Thats where I get my mad fighting skills in this lifetime.

Ya man you can call me your ally. We vibe really well together.

If you ever want my help I would be more than willing to help. I have methods other than fighting harmful entities on the astral and dream planes to keep them from hurting people.
Also 20 lifetimes ago I practiced some kind of martial art in northern Asia.

I am the Black Swordsman, with a sword twice the length of my body. One swing of my sword can cut down 10 enemies.

My sword drains the energy of beings it fells, every enemy that falls makes my sword stronger.

I fight for no side, I fight for my own gain, prepare yourselves.

I am a level 85 deathknight.

Originally Posted by Pieman

I am the Black Swordsman, with a sword twice the length of my body. One swing of my sword can cut down 10 enemies.

My sword is drains the energy of beings it fells, every enemy that falls makes my sword stronger.

I fight for no side, I fight for my own gain, prepare yourselves.

I am a level 85 deathknight.

I am a lvl > 9000 monkey king.

i think we r all under the impression that being a warrior of the light, or dream warrior, or whatever is just going to be a fun, hauling a$$ parade where we automatically win and no pain, suffering, giving up time you could be using having fun or possibly spiritdeath is involved. If we r looking at this realistically, we r just a bunch of high school drop-outs getting drunk on the idea of a kick-a$$ military life that will never happen, because we will die due to our "im invincible and will never get torn apart by a creature of darkness or suffer attitude."

Dont ask me what spirit death is, make a version of death in the spirit world up on your own

Originally Posted by Suicideking

i think we r all under the impression that being a warrior of the light, or dream warrior, or whatever is just going to be a fun, hauling a$$ parade where we automatically win and no pain, suffering, giving up time you could be using having fun or possibly spiritdeath is involved. If we r looking at this realistically, we r just a bunch of high school drop-outs getting drunk on the idea of a kick-a$$ military life that will never happen, because we will die due to our "im invincible and will never get torn apart by a creature of darkness or suffer attitude."

Lol. No. I experience pain and suffering in my dreams all the time.

Originally Posted by Suicideking

i think we r all under the impression that being a warrior of the light, or dream warrior, or whatever is just going to be a fun, hauling a$$ parade where we automatically win and no pain, suffering, giving up time you could be using having fun or possibly spiritdeath is involved. If we r looking at this realistically, we r just a bunch of high school drop-outs getting drunk on the idea of a kick-a$$ military life that will never happen, because we will die due to our "im invincible and will never get torn apart by a creature of darkness or suffer attitude."

Yeah, no. I don't believe I once mentioned anything about being invincible. Though I think your 'high-school' drop-out analogy is pretty far off base. It comes not without risk. However, it is a 'kick-ass military lifestyle' that keeps going because when we experience trauma or death in dreams we don't actually die. We might wake up afraid and scarred, but this still leaves us with the ability to respawn.

Originally Posted by Captain Frapo

Yeah, no. I don't believe I once mentioned anything about being invincible. Though I think your 'high-school' drop-out analogy is pretty far off base. It comes not without risk. However, it is a 'kick-ass military lifestyle' that keeps going because when we experience trauma or death in dreams we don't actually die. We might wake up afraid and scarred, but this still leaves us with the ability to respawn.

To be honest you got me there, i was just saying if in our spirit bodies we volunteered for this, u know when we die