possibility of lucid dream entry as gateway for literal time travel: a disscussion

[opaque lens]

I have created this thread for those who are interested in investigating or sharing their own reflections upon the theoretical possibility of lucid dream entry as gateway for literal time travel. open minded and respectful participants are welcomed

[saltyseedog]

Well..... I kind of share dreams with someone that is actually living in the future. I don't really want to share it though. It is definitely possible to share a dream with someone in a different time. I don't understand it. I just know I can do it. Basically the way I see it. there is a kind of dream ummm I can't think of a good word for it.... maybe like frontier? here there are dreams that exist outside of the boundaries of time and space. Time is not linear here with the physical world. Although there are dream worlds or places or whatever that can be linear with the time of the physical world. They are only this way because they are intended to be this way. I'm not sure if this is correct but its just kind of a conclusion I drew.....

[Ketsuyume]

Any, "time travel" that took place in your dreams would have to return you to reality after your out of body adventure. There is no escape from our journey in these bodies through time/space because we are always living in the NOW. -K

[HoC]

I'm not sure if literal time travel would be possible through dreaming, but no evidence means I can't say for sure. Would be pretty awesome though. Not too long ago I had a dream in which I saw someones past from their point of view (i think it was their pov). However when I managed to go lucid, after what felt like a few seconds to a minute, I ended up waking up. But, I wouldn't really call my dream "time travel".

[saltyseedog]

Any, "time travel" that took place in your dreams would have to return you to reality after your out of body adventure. There is no escape from our journey in these bodies through time/space because we are always living in the NOW. -K I don't know. I believe that this physical reality is only a dream within the dream plane. Anything is possible.

[Marsupilama]

I kind of share dreams with someone that is actually living in the future. That is awesome! Good to know that mankind has a future...

[Ketsuyume]

I don't know. I believe that this physical reality is only a dream within the dream plane. Anything is possible. Dream or not, we are still here right now, are we not? I'm honestly a believer that time/space barriers are bent if not totally shattered while dreaming/OBEing, but to be able to do something out of body that will somehow alter your "reentry of consciousness" to occur in a different place, let alone a different time... I don't think I can believe in that. -K

[saltyseedog]

I believe we can manipulate anything with our will. Its just way harder to do so in physical reality. But I agree yes we are only here now. And if we time traveled we would still only be here now no matter where we are (or when). But really the whole concept of be here now is stop listening to your thoughts of the future and past because they are only projections of your mind.

[Baron Samedi]

Soul is true body is vehicle energy is divisible spirit is eternal

[shadowofwind]

[B]I have created this thread for those who are interested in investigating or sharing their own reflections upon the theoretical possibility of lucid dream entry as gateway for literal time travel. We can already get information from the future in dreams. I don't know if this information actually comes from the 'physical plane' of the future of our world though. It could come from a somewhat higher plane that is connected with the future of our world, or with the 'present' of other worlds that are very similar to the future of ours. On the question of whether or not our waking life is a dream: Obviously there's a sense in which its a dream: our imagination produces the experience in both cases, using various inputs, so to speak. However, the physics of how how the waking world works is inherently very different from the rules governing how our night-time dreams work. Likewise, desire (or will) can accomplish many marvelous things that would be considered impossible by most people, but there are definitely lots and lots of logical limitations to that. For example, we can't all be of above average height. I think that most of the difficulties that afflict us in life are like that - they're actually unavoidable because of other things they're connect to. We can force the problems to go away for a while through brute force of will or magic, but they come back again unless we understand how the whole system works and make an adjustment in the right way.

[Codename]

Well some people say that they can tell the future in their dreams, maybe this can help you in your question?

[HoC]

I possibly saw the past.

[Baron Samedi]

I have created this thread for those who are interested in investigating or sharing their own reflections upon the theoretical possibility of lucid dream entry as gateway for literal time travel. open minded and respectful participants are welcomed If you want to hear personal experiences, post in Deep Dreaming. If you want to start a debate, leave this thread as is.

[Singularity125]

Hm, on that note, I've politely requested to be allowed into the Deep Dreaming forum a few different times in the past year, and have never gotten a response back... is there something I'm missing here? As for the topic, I don't know. I feel like perhaps your awareness can transcend time, but your body probably can't.

[opaque lens]

thank you all for your participation. I am aware that this discussion deals about dream realm/consciousness affecting physical time. I do believe that consciousness is key and doorway for any change and there is much more for us humans to learn and experience within it. though it is interesting to witness the collaboration between the physical and non-physical reality (which is yet to be defined) at work. it is a known fact that time travelling is an essential part of science nowadays, in the field of theoretical physics and backed up by quantum physics. it has also been suggested by great minds such as Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla. also, if we choose to dig into history and reveal it with an open mind, we can come up with eye-opening information that might support that space-time manipulation experiments have been conducted (such as Montauk Project, the Philadelphia Experiment and the claims of Edward Cameron also known as Al Bielek). of course, there is no concrete evidence, but if you are open minded and feel ready to participate in revealing what is truth and what is reality for you, then at least you can allow your mind and heart to listen and do the calculations - since consciousness is key, then our own findings and understanding is key as well. I have also stumbled across an interesting figure in the field of theoretical physics: Dr. Ronald L. Mallet, wich is known for his scientific position on the possibility of time travel. A youtube video clip presenting his ideas is available as well: FAREWELL

[Baron Samedi]

Hm, on that note, I've politely requested to be allowed into the Deep Dreaming forum a few different times in the past year, and have never gotten a response back... is there something I'm missing here? As for the topic, I don't know. I feel like perhaps your awareness can transcend time, but your body probably can't. No. Go to the Meta-forum, and post there your problem.

[Marm]

I don't understand. Do you mean precognitive dreams or dreams where your dream self travels through time? In either case I think it's impossible.

[Baron Samedi]

If you want to hear personal experiences, post in Deep Dreaming. If you want to start a debate, leave this thread as is. I don't understand. Do you mean precognitive dreams or dreams where your dream self travels through time? In either case I think it's impossible. See? It's inevitable.

[saltyseedog]

Everything is happening now. What we see as the future in this moment is only viewing one probability in an infinite spectrum of experience. We may choose whatever we wish. That is what we came here to do. We came here to create. We choose what we create. we make that decision now. No time exists except for now. yet everything exists now in an infinite spectrum of experience. What we feel in our hearts is our desire of what we should create. We come to express this desire of what we wish to create. We create out own reality. everything is now. There is no time travel there is only now. Yet anything is possible in this dream we live in. But it all happens now. it could not happen any other time. And if it changed into what is the past or the future, it would only be happening now not then. does this make any sense? it doesn't make any sense. dreams never make sense.

[Oneironaut Zero]

I believe that there is a lot of 'unknown', when dealing with consciousness and space and time, so they are perfect grounds on which to base 'what if' and 'well you don't really know' types of arguments. I'm open-minded enough to acknowledge that people allegedly have experiences that 'prove' to them, on subjective levels, that such metaphysical things are real. I'm interested in metaphysics myself, and even though I don't have a stark belief in many of the things that some people believe are actually real phenomena, I do understand that that 'unknown' aspect makes it unwise to assume that the possibility does not exist. With that being said, I believe that the subconscious mind has a greater propensity toward intuition than we may ever, consciously, comprehend. When the mind perceives something that we, consciously, cannot fathom, that mystery tends to fester. It strikes people differently. To some, it simply acts as a reminder of how little we know about the cognitive process. To others, it paints a picture that such unforeseeable discoveries mean that there is something supernatural at work, or that something metaphysical is taking place. Depending on your level of open-mindedness, both ideas could be right, in the long run. However, I have seen far too much to just assume that such things are probable/true. I've read many theories on how it could be possible (even many voiced by physicists, themselves), but a 'well, it could happen' theory, without hard evidence (not murky, circumstantial, falsifiable evidence) is the premise that most fantasy and science-fiction works are based upon. If it wasn't a potent lure, or convincing property, many popular stories wouldn't have the effect that they do now. I may entertain the possibility of astral travel, conscious time-travel, the Universal Consciousness concept, the afterlife, etc., but do I believe they exist (I mean really believe)? No. Not at the moment. There is far too much evidence to the contrary, for me to ignore it all and rule in belief of the metaphysical simply because it would be awesome if it were true.

[Bandic]

i believe it is possible to travel to another time realm in dreams. after all because some people cant physically prove it they deem it impossible.Its this kind of thinking that can limit you.The subconcious is very strong and is more accepting of things the logical mind cant or refuses to see. after all didnt some people think it was impossible to get to the moon and now look. I have had wonderful and scary dreams. a few times i have been to places that are like another time era. i have been more like an observer but i feel the persons pain,joy, anger or fear. i even think being stalked in a dream is possible.

[Bandic]

a lot of people seem to talk alot about the body. its the spirit that travels. the body is just the warm home.Your spirit can go places and times that you never thought existed thats why the subconscious lets u out to experience. your body does not go anywhere and awaits the return of your dream self. so in saying that thats why you have to be careful where you go and who you visit. it might sound like a lot of fiction but then u got to think where do the best writers come up with their stories?

[mcwillis]

As far as I am aware one can relocate onto the etheric plane quite easily and go back in time as an observer of past events. The future apparently is a lot more comlicated. I wrote to a master of time travel via another individual and didn't receive a reply.

[dreamcatcher81]

Einstein said it best at least 4 me paraphrasing * there is no difference between past present and future* This and I agree from my own ld experiences means that all time lines are happening simultaneously. The future to me means the sea of potentiality or a void in which nothing has been built yet.

[Kror]

If you want to go by theoretical science that has not been proven yet. All time has always existed and always will. If you understand the 11 dimensions and want to bring in the limited understanding of consciousness and create a link between consciousness and reality (being the 11 dimensions that we exist in a very specific point). Then it should in theory be taken into account that your conscious makes the ground solid, makes the air volatile and makes perception reality. I think this is more of a philosophical debate then anything.