Interesting topic. |
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Im sure that what I'm going to say has been brought up a million times but I'll say it anyways. |
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Interesting topic. |
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Thanks gab, that very informative. |
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Oh, sure, keep trying. It's fun. Maybe you'll get lucky and project to real timezone - our reality. In that case, you should see things as they are. But be ready for people running away screaming, because from what I have read, you'll be appearing to them as a ghost. hehe I have already warned my mom not to freak out, if she sees me. |
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There are actually scientific reports on this, it isn't taken seriously of course. But check out Thomas Campbell on Youtube. |
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Last edited by MasterMind; 09-29-2012 at 03:56 PM.
Sounds like a variation of the shared dreaming password experiment, except this time, on a more advanced level. I see...interesting. Maybe I can set up an experiment like it, though it might take a few months before it is even set up. I know Mastermind is hard at work on mastering all conditions for the process, and I'm actually interested in it as well. |
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Thats cool guys |
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Yeah he's right, that does introduce the possibility of it just being a simulation of an OBE, which why finding what another person wrote is much better. |
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Yeah it is true however there is one difference between an OBE and a Lucid Dream that to the individual dreamer/experiencer/ Oneironaut is almost impossible to interpret wrong. |
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The reason you can find no such experiments is that people who did them don't believe in OBEs (or at least in their own OBEs), so they don't need to post about them. |
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Oh ok it was just an idea of mine, that an OBE in the real time zone would be as clear as day (as it is now), but I guess that can vary too then. |
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Good luck to you, Mastermind! Do I understand correctly that you've had OBEs, but not in RTZ? I'm puzzled, usually people astral project into a copy of waking reality, not into an unrelated dream. |
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In my opinion the term OBE is a wrong term because you don't move out of a body since your never in it in the first place. Your awareness is shifted or moved, so therefore a dream can also be called an OBE in that case because that is moving one's awareness to the thought realm of your memories, emotions and subconscious. But when you move your awareness beyond that and are aware of the part of you, that comes from the same source as everything in physical existence origiantes from you can move your awareness out from your physical body. |
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Last edited by MasterMind; 10-03-2012 at 06:19 AM.
I have difficulties with Monroe, for many reasons. But I understand you. In past I used to choose theories I liked and talk about them and live by them and even defend them if they were attacked. Now I take it easy, suspending belief into any view, hoping to find the truth of the matter, whatever it turns out to be like. There is a particular sense of freedom in it and a sense of readiness to accept whatever the truth is, rather than deny it when it stares you in the face just because you hoped for a different one. |
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Since I haven't experienced it myself, I can of course not KNOW but I choose to BELIEVE. But I find it incredible to see that Monroe who didn't believed in OBEs or even knew about it suddenly get one and through careful analysis one year later determines that they were indeed not just what we would call regular dreams created by the mind, but actually out in the physical world, or atleast something that would provide the same information as the real physical world in real time. What also is cool is that he managed to convert a skeptic, Thomas Campbell a NASA physicist that got tipsed by his boss to get a chance to meet a Monroe in person, and now he is around the world having seminars about the subject himself xD |
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Last edited by MasterMind; 10-03-2012 at 06:21 PM.
I've never really believed that an a true RTZ obe should be able to be clarified, it is exactly what makes it so sketchy to me. The only way I will accept that I had an obe is if I project into a 100% identical copy of the one we are in now and it is full detailed. I can understand that there might be reasons for your sight to be blurred in AP but I don't find them logical and believe more that they are evidence that I am actually not in an obe. |
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True dutchraptor, but it's not the clarity that will prove it fully, it's the fact that you can go over to your friend's house and check what he is doing and later on verify it |
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I love the Monroe books, am really interested in them and trust what he says is correct. |
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I don't believe it only because of his books, my friend was a skeptic like me and then he experienced a shared experience on the day induced by a guided session on Skype of a guy we know, I know it sounds crazy but we still got, well my friend got it proven -.- But since he was an angry skeptic and suddenly fully interested in it, I see it as a kind of proof for me anywyay. |
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Last edited by MasterMind; 10-04-2012 at 08:07 AM.
How is this state related to OBEs? |
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I am trying to find ways to make it work for everyone, read my Dream Journal Of course before I spread all that info I will have to make it work for myself xD |
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Last edited by MasterMind; 10-04-2012 at 09:18 AM.
I also just want to prove this to myself first, if I happen to find over convincing evidence of its possibilty I will proceed to try prove it. |
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Astral Projection or OBEs might seems crazy or impossible for now, even though Nobel prize winners suggest that our physical reality is just as real as a videogame (simulated). But remember all the other times we believed something wasn't possible... |
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Last edited by MasterMind; 10-04-2012 at 06:26 PM.
I have successfully tested an OBE just a few days ago. Me and my friend both tried to Astral Project at the same time in the same room. I wrote a note on a napkin and put it in a high place. We both started at the exact same time, I did not have a successful OBE, but he did. And to prove it he was able to tell me exactly what the note said. |
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