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I'm far from a seasoned astral projector. I rarely leave my body for even a few seconds. Usually I feel the vibrations, here some buzzing or beeping sounds and only manage a partial separation. When this happens, I'm in my bedroom but it's quite dark. If this happens at night when it's pitch black, it also happens to be nearly pitch black in my OBE also except for the outline of a few objects. This can be slightly scary, and my experience doesn't correspond to experiences that others write about in their astral projections. |
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Last edited by Psionik; 01-25-2016 at 10:32 AM.
Ok, so heres the solution. When you are in your room and its dark, you must realize that this is because you went to sleep in the dark. Its YOUR obe, Its YOUR dream so YOU control it. State out loud 'Lights!' or 'More Clarity' and expect it to happen ... and it will! |
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Thank you guys for telling me this. I wasn't aware that it's normal to have a dark projection despite it being dark outside at night. I thought my astral eye would accommodate and brighten things up on its own for some reason. I guess I'll just have to learn to cope with this situation and not be intimidated by the darkness. |
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No, you misunderstand. You dont have an astral eye. you are simply having a lucid dream that begun in your bedroom. The last thing you saw before you went to sleep was your dark bedoom and so this is the scene that your dreaming mind has begun with. If you fall into a lucid dream before your dreaming mind has created a 'normal' dream scene then it will start off in the last place you went to sleep. |
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I really don't believe that these experiences were lucid dreams but real OBES. The reason I say that is because it didn't start like a dream where I have the hypnogogic imagery and then fine myself in a spectacular dream scene. What happened was I entered the vibrational state, heard all kinds of buzzing and felt my astral body disconnecting from my physical body. I could barely move though since I haven't learned how to move around well in my astral body yet. |
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In my opinion an OBE is simply a form of a lucid dream which is just as life like as it can possibly get because so much sensory information comes from your real body and not only / mostly the dream body. At least, this is my opinion, but it doesn't really matter how you call it... Vibrations are just one of the forms of HH, sometimes you'll get a combination of vibrations and visuals or any other sensory combination. HH is just "fake" sensory input - when it comes as visual input you'll see lights / fractals, when it comes as auditory input you'll hear stereo sounds / noises / voices. Balance and proprioception input, coupled with tactile sensations, give the vibration affect as well as the floating / sinking / being thrown from side to side... Hypnogogic imagery (HI) aka pre-dreams, is something different - these are dream scenes that (sometimes) start to appear prior to a full dream. |
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Yes ive had dozens of these. I lay there then mad crazy and powerful vibrations and then i get out of bed into an 'obe'. An obe is simply a lucid dream that has the dream setting as your bedroom. plain and simple |
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Last edited by ezzolucid; 01-27-2016 at 01:01 PM.
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Obe may be form of lucid dream. I agree. Yet it feels different. In lucid dream you know that you are dreaming. In OBE you know that you are NOT dreaming. That perception of not dreaming may be false, play of changed consciousness state... Maybe product of brain. But in OBE I have from time to time visions of things I couldn't have know otherwise. In dreams there are no visions. LD is just a dream with added lucidity. |
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Honestly, being that I have practiced astral projection and obes in the past and now that I'm doing lucid dreaming, I find it all is the same to me. Just different terminologies. Whether or not one agrees, in my opinion, astral projecting/dreaming in general are both the process of leaving the physical body, may it be the unconscious or the soul and delving into a new world/environment. To me it's the same thing just different words. There comes a great deal of a grey area when it comes to dreaming and aping/obeing |
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Last edited by MobianAngel; 01-27-2016 at 02:39 PM.
Yes, OBEs feel different, but only because they're just the right amount of vividness and awareness to appear totally real. This doesn't mean that they are... Out of all the different dreams that are possible to have, some of them are bound to have the criteria of being exactly realistic - it's just a game of probabilities. Just like very dark and foggy dreams are possible and just as ultra-vivid dreams are possible (more than RL) so are dreams that are exactly realistic. On top of that, OBEs are by definition FAs (starting when you fall asleep) so they have a logical initial point. Plus in many OBEs your actual sensory organs are very active (like IRL active) picking REAL noises, smells, temperatures, possibly even visuals from your surrounding. So of course they feel totally real, and even if you understand that you're dreaming, you can't "prove" it. Well again, it's a very particular sort of dream with just the right traits... |
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Well, from a scientific point of view there is, or at least there can be (and that's why we assume it to be), one true reality. Thing is, every sensor or measurement tool is biased, including our own sensory organs - so in essence we see an interpretation of that reality. Luckily, the sensory organs of all humans are about the same, so disputes over who's reality is the true one are limited only to very specific concepts... |
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As for consciousness- in lucid dream I have consciousness of equal or somewhat lower level than in common state of waking life. |
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Are you sure about that? Couldn't there be one true reality, and we all perceive that true reality in our own subjective manner? Does our perception of reality really determine whether it is real or not? |
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I disagree when people say that astral projection/OBES do not exist. Believe it or not I've had more than one person tell me that they don't even believe that lucid dreaming exists. Just because someone hasn't experienced something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. My intention of this thread was not to get into a debate about this though so I'll just politely thank everyone for their input and ask on another forum. |
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Last edited by gab; 01-27-2016 at 11:42 PM.
Darkness as I perceive it is full of peace... if I'm in balance. When there is something in my consciousness, generating fear, the OBE start to change into something less real(I feel it to take somewhat dream like elements). It happens very, very seldom. I train OBE for about 30 years, I have experiences with this kind of things. |
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^^ My experiences with darkness (or nothing, as it were) are very similar to what you listed, Psionik, except that I "hover" bodiless (always bodiless) in the darkness or gray mist during lucid exploration of Delta sleep/NREM. It is indeed a peaceful time. |
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Last edited by Sageous; 01-28-2016 at 11:37 PM.
I wouldn't go as far as to start of universe. More likely is darkness presentation of pure being... the identity is preserved yet, only purer form would be if also identity is lost. According to some philosophic texts. |
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^^ That assumes of course that there must be identity/being present; it seems reasonable to me that darkness or nothing could simply be darkness or nothing. |
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There is always the http://www.dreamviews.com/religion-s...ml#post2185457 thread. |
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Missed quite a lot in this thread... |
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Last edited by Spock; 01-29-2016 at 10:59 AM. Reason: fixed typo
Spock It was 300k-400k years like Sageous said... I think it was somewhat similar to condition inside stars. Thermonuclear fusion is possible only in core. It generates very hard electromagnetic rays and bunch of different particles like neutrinos, neutrons... But since plasma is so dense the path of photons is very short. It is absorbed, then emitted in many times (photon can penetrate millimetres before it is again absorbed) while energy goes through hundreds of thousands kilometers of ionized matter. It was calculated that it can take many thousands of years till energy is released from Sun. |
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