Thread: Consider this a gift to you lots

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

I sense tension in this thread...

No, I don't believe in The Secret, but I'm not going to argue with people who do. We all have a right to our own opinions.

How about all of us here stop insulting each other and merely peacefully disagree, before this whole thing erupts into a flame war?

My two cents have been paid.

Yeah I agree, it's kind of hard to fight about something you can't really disprove, I don't personally believe it either, it's a common thing for humans to search for coincidences and highlight them, well forgetting about others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usbNJMUZSwo

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Good point beeya. I used terminal illness as an example but their are countless other examples where this logic is proven worthless. Like starvation, can world hunger be solved if we just told all the people without food to believe themselves some food into their belly's?

The problem with life is their are so many people and factors other than yourself that can affect your reality.

You can use this "secret" which has been around since the dawn of time to improve your life without a doubt. But other people you meet try and do affect you.

But seriously...if you believe something is going to happen and you try for it all it really is is giving yourself the confidence to do it.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

This theory that mental state is the answer to everything is insulting to people experiencing all types of tragedy. Suffering is not always avoidable, no matter what your perspective is. For example, would you approach a family who just lost someone to a terminal disease and say "Too bad they didn't believe they were going to live, or they would have been fine." Some diseases are just incurable, no matter what your perspective is. I know your trying to be helpful, but this form of optimism is ignorant and unrealistic.

Family members dying is a tragedy. But this way of thinking brings light upon the matter, not spits on the face of those with tragedy. It's the other way around. People will lose loved ones. That's a fact. But what I believe is that they are in a better place and no longer feeling pain. This helps you get passed the hate stages after someone dies and come to peace but never forget them.

The secret isn't about tricking yourself to see life a better way, you really do see life in a positive way for what it really is and good things will come. I think that's the way our creator meant it to be.

I hadn't read the sticky about not insulting others beliefs before I posted here, so sorry for whatever I said. I think I understand the cause of the conflict though. So many people have had such different interpretations of the secret, on top of that they explain their own version to others so thats its like the game telephone, now its hard to find two people who can give a similar description. Some interpretations I like, others I don't. I've actually always understood the main concept and it makes sense, but why label it 'the secret' other than to exploit and sell it, the concept is clearly ancient, its been around long before someone called it the secret and wrote a book about it. It seems like labeling it the secret has been nothing but trouble.

I have read most of the book "The Secret" - not overly impressed; laughed at some of it, but was bored with most of it, there was a couple of small OK bits. I don't have a problem with the Law of Attraction, which is what this book is about - but the way it goes around it is far too simplistic & Egoistic. Life is not about working out that everything is some vast supermarket or shopping mall; with everything for the taking, by just thinking about it; that's silly.

There are other Laws - namely the Law of Allowance & the Law of Balance. Consider also that we come to this World to learn & grow - not to have every desire appeased on a whim. I dislike intensely the notion that material wealth, & the pursuit of a surface happiness, while avoiding any kind of experience subjectively seen as "negative", is somehow spiritual - it isn't! Quite the opposite in fact. From the perspective of Spirit or the Higher Self - then who is to say beyond subjective value judgements, what is good/bad, positive/negative, right & wrong. Who is to say that the starving abused child is not undergoing a profound learning experience from a "higher" perspective. This is not to say that certain "behaviours" should be encouraged or tolerated, quite the opposite. However, is it not worse to say that suffering is meaningless?

There is also the point, which has already been raised as to what happens when people practising "the secret" correctly, want opposing things. If I fully expect, & create a rainy day, while a neighbour also fully creates a sunny day - then what happens, a compromise perhaps? This problem is a vast & complex one in relation to the method of the book. One which is not addressed anywhere in it.

I actually find something quite disturbed about "the secret" - it blames people for & devalues them of their own personal experience; whatever that may be - & it is, lets not forget, a money making & marketing ploy, which has earnt some people fortunes; playing directly to a Capitalistic, egotistical, selfish & materialistic society. This "book" is best off in the bin.

There is no such thing as a "thought wave."

When I watched the official release of ''The Secret'' (the movie) they were also saying instead of wishful thinking "I want" you should think as if you already had it "I have".

Using this logic has failed me, and I had not gained anything.
Why? Because I did not follow the ''real'' rules of the secret.

In the movie they say "When you get the chances you need to grab them".
Now what kind of bullshit is the law of attraction then? If it only gives you CHANCES.

I'd rather believe: Believing that thinking about having / wanting something will make you more aware of situations, making you think that they are because of this train of thought, and then making you act upon them if you are confident enough.

If you did not believe in that, the chances will still be there but you might not view them as chances.

And luck is not really luck, It's more a combination of factors that noone really pays attention to, that you managed to use time over time again to get good statistics.

And what if there is one girl, and 2 people want her, only those 2, noone else. And she doesn't know those 2, and is not interested in anyone else.

What will happen? A battle of mental forces of whom can "will" the most? rofl.

I have been watching this thread, but i havent really been happy. What everyone who believs in "the secret" or better, "law of attraction", say, is that all you have to do is believe in it and it will happen.

Well, i have done some reading. The whole "believe and it will come" is not really the case. For one, i believe that you have to be one of a select few who can do this. Next, i think it takes a high meditation like state to perform it. And lastly, i think that only things that you do recieve have to come in a opportune moment, such as, you get the chance, like omega said.

So basically, if you want some girl to like you, you get into this state, and you are one with this power. Next, you do the whole thing to get the chance to have the girl like you. So basically, the girl will pay more attention to you, and like the things you do. If you mess up something, and she gets turned away, you lost your chance.

If you want a new toy, and you do this, you get the chance to go to walmart and get it. Whether its a car accident before hand that prevents you from going, or maybe when you get to the store you find a different toy that is better, you had the chance, you just didnt get it.

So thats my words on it. Do i believe in it? Yes. Do i think its possible for everyone to do? No.

You can will it to come but you still have to put effort to get something done.

Simple. Nothing is easy.

Originally Posted by CentralSphere

I have read most of the book "The Secret" - not overly impressed; laughed at some of it, but was bored with most of it, there was a couple of small OK bits. I don't have a problem with the Law of Attraction, which is what this book is about - but the way it goes around it is far too simplistic & Egoistic. Life is not about working out that everything is some vast supermarket or shopping mall; with everything for the taking, by just thinking about it; that's silly.

THat's true. It leaves out the part about taking responsibility the shittiness you've created with the law of attraction without knowing what you were doing.

So, I've ignored this thread for a few pages. I hope I haven't missed anything about...

$cientology

Have any of you ever spoken with someone who has reached *cough*beenrainwashed*cough* the upper levels of the church of $cientology? They have surprisingly similar views about the world.

Im sure there must be a few $cientologists on this forum somewhere?

Have you ever heard of David Schirmer? He's in the movie. He is a huge con artist who stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from people. Great guy, exactly the type of person you should believe. He’s very trust worthy.

This is the Secret.... There is no Secret. While I agree with the basic concept that thinking positively can improve your life taking this movie (or the book for that matter) seriously is ridiculous.

If you want to read a good article about this BS I suggest:

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/20...of-attraction/

Originally Posted by C911

So basically, if you want some girl to like you, you get into this state, and you are one with this power. Next, you do the whole thing to get the chance to have the girl like you. So basically, the girl will pay more attention to you, and like the things you do. If you mess up something, and she gets turned away, you lost your chance.

So thats my words on it. Do i believe in it? Yes. Do i think its possible for everyone to do? No.

Well, I got a better power that everybody can use. It's called approaching the person.

You believe in it? So when a girl gets raped, she was asking for it? When a guy works his ass off all week to put food on the table for his kids and gets laid off deep inside he willed it to happen? Those Jews really were thinking to negatively and caused the Holocaust. It wasn’t Hitler's fault. Hitler’s a great guy, got a few beers with him once!

Okay...a lot of people are gonna hate me for this...

I have read the Secret, it's not half bad. But...

If it is true, you will get whatever you wish for, and the Universe will provide it. But no one says how the Universe will provide it. Can you see where I'm going with this?

If anyone has ever read The Monkey's Paw, they'll get what I mean. It's about this paw that grants each person one wish, at any cost. The particular couple wishes for money...and they inheret it from their son who died in an accident.

That /\ is my point, they got their wish, regardless of how the Universe provided it to them. Once again that proves it, be careful what you wish for.

Hope my blabbing is actually meaningful,
EsC

haven't read this whole thread so apologies if i'm repeating what someone else has already said.

the LOA works just fine........ALL of the time! every experience is drawn to us by our own thoughts, feelings, wishes, fears and beliefs. period.

the kicker is that none of us really pays attention to our own thoughts, feelings, wishes, fears and beliefs, so we can never accept our own role as the principle generator of EVERYTHING that happens to us.

to those of you that reject these comments/concepts, don't sell yourselves short - you are VASTLY more complex that you preceive yourselves to be. it can take lifetimes to cultivate true self-awareness.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Well, I got a better power that everybody can use. It's called approaching the person.

You believe in it? So when a girl gets raped, she was asking for it? When a guy works his ass off all week to put food on the table for his kids and gets laid off deep inside he willed it to happen? Those Jews really were thinking to negatively and caused the Holocaust. It wasn’t Hitler's fault. Hitler’s a great guy, got a few beers with him once!

I don't think that's what anyone was going for.. life is full of struggles. Some of them horrific.

Actually Hitlers father was apparently Jewish and he used to beat him, at least that's what I've read.

Parts of the secret maybe useful I have not read it myself but I know the power of will always helps to get something done.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

I don't think that's what anyone was going for.. life is full of struggles. Some of them horrific.

Actually the author of ‘The Secret”,” Rhonda Byrne, explained that when great tragedies happen (Like a tsunami) there was an equal amount of negative thoughts to cause the mass death. That’s paraphrasing. I can find the exact quote if I cared enough about proving bullshit to lazy/dumb people who don’t want to work to achieve anything.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Parts of the secret maybe useful I have not read it myself but I know the power of will always helps to get something done.

It is useful. It's self-help for just plain dumb people. The rules explain it.

1) Think positively
2) Keep what you want in the back of your head (You focus on it for a few minutes a day)
3) Look out for an opportunity.

When you think positively, keep what you want in your head, and look out for any opportunity to receive what you want you are bound to get it. You are focusing on achieving a goal. You are achieving it by thinking positively and looking for ways to achieve it. The “universe” isn’t giving it to you.

You aren’t going to find 30,000 dollars lying on the ground from this bullshit. Don't get what you want? You didn't have enough positive thoughts! Just like a faith healer would tell a crippled man he didn't have enough faith. They created a smart way to regurgitate the same self-help bullshit to idiots.

Originally Posted by phonix

Well I can't and will not change what you both think, I was only here to explain that something like this does exsist. Its just shame that you havn't noticed it yet, but in time you will, and if you don't thats a shame. As for scientific evidence I'm only a kid so I can't prove you with that, you'll have the email the secret team. But, as for the ipod, what if you didn't have the money for it? You could use the law of attraction to lower the cost. But please anybody else don't get fooled into thinking this doesn't exsist because, it does. If my explainations are not good ignore them and enter the site. PLEASE DO BECAUSE THE LAW OF ATTRACTION DOES EXSIST BELIEVE.

Well I've done my part, believe what you want I'm departing, got to use the law of attraction to get myself another A*. C ya none believers, good luck believing in chances of stuff happening (lol)

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Good point beeya. I used terminal illness as an example but their are countless other examples where this logic is proven worthless. Like starvation, can world hunger be solved if we just told all the people without food to believe themselves some food into their belly's?

I'm glad to see that there are those who can see through the hype. As I live in the Bible Belt of the U.S., I'm accosted by these types of views daily. It's sad, really.

If you want something, you better just try to attain/obtain it.

Will and belief hold more power than you realize. We all hold more power than we are aware of. The secret is obviously a money making venture though.

Wakata, stop being a dumbass. You're in CLEAR violation of the rules in this forum. This is NOT the first thread in which I've seen you cross the line. If you want to participate in discussions rooted in logic...go to extended discussion, religion, or the philosophy boards. Should you continue to act in the very same manner that seems to be consistent with you, you will not only be putting yourself at risk of being banned from Beyond Dreaming, but from the forums period. You're not exempt from this either Bob Dole. And anyone else for that matter. Jesus Christ am I the only one who had balls to point this out? Hell I don't even visit this forum at all and I noticed this.

Originally Posted by phonix

I have discovered "The Secret"

Correct version below.

Originally Posted by phonix

I have watched "The Secret"

The LOA is an amazing concept. After I watched The Secret...I was floored, riveted and everything in between. As I've grown, I've learned that that movie is useful to an extent, but nevertheless deeply flawed. Flawed in the sense that it encourages people to treat "the universe" like a toy store or a genie. Ask, Answer and Receive aren't the only steps. There are a few critical components that make up the success formula. Some of which are Intelligent Action (which the movie didn't talk about at all), making a plan, visualization (which was covered), programming/reprogramming (which wasn't covered) etc. All in all, I'm really glad you enjoyed the movie . It's an amazing video I believe will serve as a tool for those adamantly interested in "knowing" what's out there. The Secret isn't the end all formula. It's only the beginning.

1. Spoiler for The steps:

   1. Relax your mind. Meditate for 5 to 10 minutes. Doing this will increase brain power and have your mind at that relaxed state. This step is optional but recommended.
   2. Be sure about what you want. Remember that you're sending a request to the Universe which is created by thoughts, and therefore responds to thoughts. Know exactly what it is that you want. If you're not clear/sure, the Universe will get an unclear frequency and will send you unwanted results. So be sure it is something you have strong enthusiasm for.
   3. Ask the Universe for it. Make your request. You don't have to actually speak or use words because it doesn't hear words. Send a picture of what you want to the Universe. The Universe will answer. See this thing as already yours. If you have won the lottery, you know the money is yours before you even acquire it, or at least should. The same should apply here too.
   4. Write your wish down. Start with "I am so happy and grateful now that..." and finish the sentence (or paragraph) telling the Universe what it is that you want. Write it in the present tense as if you have it right now. Avoid negation terms (see Warnings for more on this).
   5. Visualize it. Every day until your wish comes true close your eyes and imagine your desire as if it's happening right now. Also see yourself playing with it and feeling it and get the experience of having it. If you're wanting that Nintendo Wii, see yourself sitting down playing a game on it. See yourself feeling the controller, playing your favorite game(s), touching the console. If there's that person you have a crush on, see yourself walking with her/him, touching or caressing the person, or even kissing the person. You get the idea.
   6. Feel it. Feel the way you will now after receiving your wish. You must act, speak, and think as if you are receiving it now. This is actually the most important, powerful step in using the Attraction's Law because this is where it starts working.
   7. Believe in the unseen. Think about this alternate dimension that is almost exactly like the real world but whatever you truly desire comes true in an instant. See yourself in that dimension, where whatever you ask the Universe for comes to you in an instant. When you do the Universe also turn those thoughts and feelings into realty. Reviewing step 6: When you act, think, and speak like it's happening or you have it right now, the Universe will shift all the people, events, and circumstances so your request prospers. Keep in mind that your thoughts must contain only thoughts and feelings that you have it. If your thoughts contain you not having it, then that's why you don't yet have it.
   8. Show gratitude. On the reverse side (or a new one if you used up the back) of the paper, write down everything you're thankful for. It also helps to put down all the things the Universe has given you. It helps to be thankful for what you already have and be thankful for all the things the Universe has given you. The Universe has done a lot of things for us. Paying the Universe back with some gratitude will motivate the Universe to do even more things and will draw more things into your life. If you were once bullied and that person stopped, that's one thing to be thankful for. If the person you're crushing on likes you back, or doesn't but she/he didn't send their lover out to hurt you, that's another thing to thank the Universe for. You should also thank the Universe for this process too. Showing gratitude will turbo boost the Universe to manifest your request faster.
   9. See your request going to the Universe. Close your eyes and see your request going out after clearing your mind, decided what you wanted, written down what you wanted, experienced the thing or person, and wrote down what you were thankful for. Go on about your life. You still should feel, and think about it but have a positive attitude.
   10. Keep your faith. Send out your good feelings. Have unwavering faith. The more faith you have the faster your wish will come.
   11. Have positive thoughts and feelings. We all can't be happy all the time and this is fine. But at least think good thoughts or recall the last good thing that happened with you. Just listen to some music or do something you enjoy.
   12. Relax and Allow!!!. This is where people tend to mess-up. It's because she wants the thing so bad she looks around for situations that "pertain" to manifesting her desire. Don't. Just put out a clear request, visualize it, and let the Universe do it's work. If you have to keep an eye out for an event that manifests your wish, it's only telling the Universe you don't have it and you will attract... not having it. This is one of the most important steps in this process.
   13. Be patient. Don't get upset if these things don't happen immediately. In all actuallity it takes the Universe less then a second to create $1,000,000 as it takes $1. See the things you want as already yours. The universe is always answering our every commands. Don't stress the "how" of things. Let the Universe do it for you. If you given that Nintendo Wii you've always wanted, you wouldn't care who got it, where it came from, or how it got to you. You would care only about the fact you have it. When you take the Universe's job of worrying about the "how", this says you're lacking faith and that you're telling the Universe what to do when the Universe has far greater knowledge and power than human mankind.

WOW this is amazing.....now lets just use the handy dandy Occam's razor to get rid of all this magic and superstitions crap and lets see what we get.

Lets see Number one
Step 1 meditating is great for relaxation but why waste time meditating when you can do go sart working for what you want or go out for a jog if you dont want to be bored...ok slice that out with the handy dandy Occam's razor.

Step 2...knowing what you want is important you always want to be careful about this.

Step 3.... Ask the universe? what kind of stuff is this. Slice it out I say!

Step 4...Why would I write want down I already know what I want lets get rid of that.

Step 5...This step is nice not just to this extent.

Step 6... Feel the way you will now after receiving your wish. You must act,
wait a sec I thought we didnt have to act we jsut thought oh well lets get rid of this feeling and keep this actually acting on what you want. with my favorite razor.

Step 7... what? Sorry I gave up in this superstitious stuff a while ago
my slicing and dicing hand is is just begging to get rid of this. Sorry Occams razor was meant for step 7.

Step 8 Gratitude is good but why the universe but not the people? Sorry step 8 goodbye.

Step 9 Visualization was already accepted a while back its not needed to resate this..this list is getting redundent.

Step 10 faith. Faith is a belief in the trustworthiness of an idea according to wiki well it's good to be skeptical so we dont get famboozeld. Oh Occam come over here I need to borrow your razor.

Step 11..I like this step no need to get rid of it.

Step 12..We all should relax but lets not just allow Lets keep the relax should we?

Step 13. Patients is a virture as they say...Ok lets see what we have.

Step 1. Identify what you want. Visualzation helps

Step 2. Go out and act

Step 3 Stay positive. and relax

Step 4 Patients is a virture..

WOW! Look on how Occam razor got rid of all the redundent and superstion out of the way. If only I was more skilled on the Use of this great razor. You should try it to! I sell my razors for free...maybe I should start to charge.

Jeff777:

Naizu: Use of Occam's/Ockham's Razor = brilliant. 'The Razor' shaved 'The Secret' to bits.