Thread: Is sharing dreams possible ?

Because something hasn't been proven doesn't mean its been disproven. Remember when the world was flat?

"Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow..."

you should look up lucid dream crossroads its a dojo where martial artist train at or where you can share dream with people just look it up it pretty cool

ait's possible, but hard to induce. And even oif you do it, causing a nightmare would have next to zero affect, because there would be enough change of sceene to create a lucid dream for the other person.

I have no opinion but all I can say is that I REALLY hope it is real.

This thread is ultimately pointless, as many will say it exists and many will say it does not. The only way you can discover truths about your existence is to experience its various planes for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

As for myself, I don't believe the phenomenon possible, but then again, we all exist in a shared dream of sorts.

To my knowledge(I'm not going into it)people can go into other peoples dreams but they won't remember unless they know it's coming/Lucid.

The correct term is Mutual Dreaming or Mutual Lucid Dreaming

Originally Posted by jarrhead

I will conduct experiments myself. I really hope it's true.

Why doesn't wakingnomad and somebody else go to a lab?

Originally Posted by TheLight

I don't think there is or there will be such a lab for some long time, because in the 'modern' world we live in most people don't even remember or care about their dreams. Besides there will always be found something more important to be tested than dreaming. But that is what I think.

Anyway, if shared dreams are possible, sooner or later people will find out

Originally Posted by jarrhead

Write a letter to Laberge. You know how you write him stories and questions.. write him an experiment idea, give examples of people who are good at control and have had many SDs. I don't pay attention to Nomad and Raven and Loaf and whoever else, but from what I know Nomad and Raven have had a few. Laberge will study dreams!

"Go to a lab! Go to a lab!" Yes, I want my mind to be dissected by scientists. I feel no burden to prove shared dreaming is real, because I got shit to do. Like make money. You guys sound like people that tell me I must play piano because I have long fingers. I'd rather play didjeridoo.

Anyway, I did try to contact Laberge, and got no response. I did however contact Frank Pascoe, one of the few scientists that is studying dreams, and shared dreaming. I received an email from him on the 7th of this month. I sent one back, and haven't heard from him since. Here's an excerpt from it, with his permission:

"If you haven't followed the link to my page for more info on me here it is: http://www.mysticalcompany.com/pascoeF.php. But I think you have since you mentioned my 'metaphysical' bent which is true!

Hey by the way, I've met LaBerge and have also tried to collaborate with him. He is a little eccentric and hard to get-to-know. I still would like to collaborate with him since I know some of his research interests coincide with mine but he seems to drag his feet everytime I try to talk with him. It can take months for him to get back to you. I haven't pushed it much since I'm trying to finish my school first anyway. One of his close associates has shared with me that that is just how he is, it isn't personal. People that work with him are often frustrated by this. I suspect that that's why, in part, he isn't at Stanford anymore. I hope to open my own dream lab (with or without him) and continue in the vein of his reseach by next year if not sooner. There's nobody doing that in the US anymore. The closest active dream lab, that I know of, is in Montreal now. Other sleep labs in the US occasionally do dream research but they aren't dedicated to it and their research tends to have a medical lean to it. They just ask different types of questions. There may not be anybody doing 'hard science' (meaning laboratory work) around lucid dreaming in the world right now... not that science is the 'end-all' but it is kind of fun when it comes to lucid dreaming experiments.

Feel free to share my emails with your friends... I would like to be in your community, if it works for you.

I will share more very soon... but have to go do some chores.

Hope this day finds you well, we are each other's Dreams,
Frank
"

So, who's going to fly me out to Montreal, and pay for my room and board to go to the dream lab? Right. None of you. That's what I thought. Now, stop suggesting we go to lab. Just stop.

People want us to prove what they want to believe. You want to know if it's fun to jump out of an airplane? You just gotta do it. I am not going to try to convince you that bodysurfing makes you feel like a merperson. I am not going to to try to convince you sex feels good. I can't prove any of this, nor do I care to. Yeah, shared dreaming takes practice, effort, and skill, but I believe anyone can do it. So just try it! Are we special? Yes. We all are special. Every one in the world. Especially you, or you wouldn't be reading this right now.

Personally, while remaining undecided (but skeptical) on the issue myself, I don't see what good a lab could do. The main benefit you'd get from a lab is an unbiased observer to correlate data... but the data can never be more than what the involved people tell you they dreamed about.

Things I guess you could check at a lab...

Did the dreams occur at the same time?

Did eye movements match up with reported actions?

Did metabolic rates match reported actions?

.. and honestly that's about all I can think of that a lab would be good for. Of course, I've given it all of 2 minutes' worth of dedicated thought...



But essentially, to determine if dream sharing is actually a reality, it would require the involved dreamers to very honestly compare notes, and nobody but them would be able to objectively determine anything... nobody else has any way to know if what they're reporting is completely true or accurate.


I Once had an experience where a friend and I both dreamed on the same night that we killed Death. Neither of us was lucid, nor did we even know that lucidity can be induced, though in the past we've both had random lucid dreams. We did not plan to dream anything that night... and we hadn't spoken about Death or anything... as far as I;m aware there was absolutely no reason we both had death on the mind. But if I had access to everything we experienced the day before, chances are there was something we both saw that sparked it.

And when we talked about the dreams, they were totally different. The only similarity was that we both had a personified character representing Death and one of us killed it. That in itself is pretty amazing, and we freaked on it... but we perceived death completely differently and had totally different types of dreams.

Mine was a comical dream... I saw Death as some tiny thing in a baby carriage being pushed around by a woman. He had a big rattle (the Death Rattle cleverly enough) and if it touched you you were dead. I never saw its face or any of its body, but it threw the rattle at me and I grabbed something... a piece of cloth or something, that I used to whip the rattle around in a circle and hurl it back at him. When it struck little baby Death, he died.

My friend's dream on the other hand was a swashbuckling adventure dream. The two of us were swordfighting with a cloaked and hooded reaper in a stone tower.

Interestingly though.... you have to make certain allowances when talking about dreams. Since they're completely subjective and each of us has our own dream symbolism, a character (like Death) might appear differently to each of us. Does that mean it wasn't a shared experience? I don't think so. The fact remained, we did both dream about killing death, though it was achieved differently in both dreams.

So I guess what I:m saying is, even if you can share dreams, I don't believe any objective data can be collected to prove it... in the end all you have is people telling you they shared a dream and they they're totally convinced. I don't believe any further evidence can be obtained.


It's been a few minutes since posting that and a few more thoughts occur...

What constitutes a "shared experience" in waking life? Two or more people being in the same place at the same time. But do they really experience events the same way? I've heard people tell stories about things that happened while I was there, and their stories differ sometimes substantially form the way I remember things. So even in "real life" there's some discrepancy in shared experiences. And since dreams are colored so strongly by emotional and other considerations (ie is it an adventure dream or a comedy... ) you can actually have a widely diverse array of experiences that constitute the same idea.

Think about it... in dreams you might see your friend, only he doesn't look exactly like he does in waking life. In fact he might look a LOT different!! Houses, situation etc all can be wildly different than they are in waking existence. And yet you're still dreaming about the friend, that house, or that situation. So I think a wide margin needs to be allowable to evaluate shared dreaming.

In one sense, if you both dream about the same thing, that in itself constitutes a "shared dream". But of course that's not quite what we're talking about... we're discussing actually visiting somebody IN THEIR DREAM. So it begs the question... would you be seeing the same things the same way? Or each in your own way?
Ok... Im wearing my brain out. Gotta quit here!

Shared dreaming is, in fact, possible. It turns out that i`ve been in numerous shared dreams, even starring in a mass dream. I have asked other people that I trust, and they claimed that they saw the same basic situations I was in. In fact, i`ve even had a shared dream with a member here, Loaf. So if you ask me, shared dreaming is entirely possible.

edit: Xel, you don`t have to be lucid to have a shared dream, because I wasn`t in any of mine. It depends on if the other people are dreamers or DCs. And the difference between a normal and shared dream is just that someone else has the same one as you.

Why isn't it as easy as this to prove:

Dreamer "A" is given a word by experimenter right before bed. Dreamer "A" is to make contact in the dream world with Dreamer "B". In the dream, Dreamer "A" tells Dreamer "B" the word. Upon waking, Dreamer "B" tells the secret word to the experimenter. If the word is correct, dream contact occurred. To make it cheatproof, the experimenter would have to supervise one of the dreamers during the night to foreclose the possibility of communication.

The fact that it is this easy and yet has never been done, as far as I know, makes me skeptical.

Honestly people!

Spoiler for Rant:

Look at this scientifically! Is there any scientifically recognized evidence whatsoever to support shared dreaming. No.

Just becuase your "friend" said he had a dream and you "spontaneously" make a connection with your own dream, DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. There is a reason studies are done scientifically, with a control group, and sugar pills, by people with degrees and scientific recognition (Divinity is not a fucking degree).

But... but... there was this time... and this fourm said... and friends uncle... and my priest... but my cat swears it happened!

People are morons!

Just because there is no scientific backing yet doesn't mean its disproved. I don't see why everyone is so caught up about proving shared dreaming is wrong. Fact is, there hasn't been conclusive concrete evidence to support either side of the argument.

Exactly loaf, which is why I will try to conduct my own experiences.

As soon as I can get alice to consistantly LD we're going to try some shared dreams.

Originally Posted by Acala

Why isn't it as easy as this to prove:

Dreamer "A" is given a word by experimenter right before bed. Dreamer "A" is to make contact in the dream world with Dreamer "B". In the dream, Dreamer "A" tells Dreamer "B" the word. Upon waking, Dreamer "B" tells the secret word to the experimenter. If the word is correct, dream contact occurred. To make it cheatproof, the experimenter would have to supervise one of the dreamers during the night to foreclose the possibility of communication.

The fact that it is this easy and yet has never been done, as far as I know, makes me skeptical.

Guess I have to say it but, no... it isn't that simple. First, recalling stuff is hard enough for people to do it accurately, SD willingly must be hard too, especially with a bunch of random people, and if the person isn't random, then chances are, they know so well each other that they gave hints or its normal for their dreams to be similar, not to mention that using a DJ would make things worse and getting people to try this for an extended period of time isn't easy <.<

Also, the other problem WakingNomad adressed, you can't just magically grow money out of nowhere to go to the lab for as long as you wish... then again I won't give up, I'm sure I can find someone to use while I'm on school lol