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    by , 07-02-2013 at 05:03 PM (809 Views)
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    Date: 30 June

    Pre bed: 3mg mel

    WBTB: Some latte

    Total sleep time: appr. 6 1/2 hrs

    Early dream1: I am posting to our conversation in DV

    Dream Fragment2: There is an old apple pudding that I try to throw away in the sink but the apples won't dissolve.

    Dream3 Irritating Kitten: I am on the street where we live and there is a grey kitten that catches my attention. We play for a while but as I leave it starts to behave like a crazy cat, always coming back to me faster and faster. Its claws and little teeth are sharp, I want to get rid of it. Finally, I toss it aside and as it lands on the other side of the street, it turns into a dead rat, with its insides open. I have concerns of what will people think about hygiene, having a dead animal on the street, but then some guys come pick it up.

    WBTB: I was initially worried that I am not wakeful enough, so headed for the latte. It was not the best morning to do so as there were lots of distractions and I ended up very nervous, struggling to fall asleep for an hour and a half.

    Falling asleep/LD: I can't even remember where, it was a dream forming around me but I woke

    Falling asleep/LD: I appear walking down the street of my hometown. Some people are passing by, I try to hold on to a big tall guy but the dream slips away and I wake up.

    WILD (Nyx style): I find myself in some room with soft light, as the dream forms. For some reason, I attempt to control the dream by using a touchpad screen? I stop doing this and look around. The dream is unstable and I try to engage whoever is around. There are three-four DCs and I immediately recognize my parents there. The memory of quickly phasing through the walls comes to mind but I dismiss it, then run through some tasks that I remember and decide to ask the DCs there including my parents how to find Xanous. Unfortunately, these DCs are totally dumb, so I get almost no reaction from them, no matter how many times I ask. They go to sleep on the few beds that are in the center of the room. The dream is still unstable (possibly because I am super wakeful), so I start jumping on the bed (white bed sheets) to engage myself a bit more. I find it quite pleasant and I don't have to worry about breaking anything. I am bounce-walking now, trying to stabilize this way, as I notice the instability is still here to an extent. Then as I am jumping in front of a wooden desk, my leg hits some small item on the floor and it even hurts a bit. I find this strange.

    Finally, I calm down, look around the room and ponder my next action. The light in the room is very soft and pleasant, as if coming from a lamp. Lots of the furniture that I barely notice is wooden. I remember three wooden doors on the two walls in front of me. They are all closed. Initially, I decide to stay in the room and explore it, but then the door in front of me is open. It is dark but I think of playing a bit, open the door with TK, nice! I go forward, now there is light in the room. As I am slowly and carefully moving forward, I notice that there are windows showing the reflection. Very interested to check it out, I concentrate on it and worryingly see someone else's reflection there. So behind the door as I am entering is another DC that obviously corresponds to this reflection and she just...well I just didn't expect her to be there, so got a bit scared.

    I fully enter this new room and look at the DC in front of me. At this point the dream is super stable and vivid. I carefully examine her looks and try to memorize as much detail as possible.Ok, I now try to talk to her, but as she replies there is no sound. I continue asking her questions but can't understand anything, just that she answers "no" about something and she moves her head in negation. My speaking is more like thoughts and without sound, but she understands me. I truly start to believe that I have crossed into another multiverse and that this is the cause of our inability to communicate. I ask her if it is because of energy? Does she see me at all? Her mother comes around as well,I continue questioning them - do they see me, or can they only hear me? I realize that I am spending way too much time and concentration on this apparently useless conversation, and orientate myself in the room so that I can report in what kind of room I was. It is a kitchen, no, a dinning room. There is a large table with some chairs.

    My attention is caught by another reflection in the window. It is day outside. I am curious to see how I look so move closer and notice a white T-shirt with some red flowers on it, find the clothes interesting. These DCs are all around me still in another section of the room, now that might have been the kitchen. Going through tasks again. Ok, let's do "lucidity DC" just in case. I don't believe I will see these DCs ever again, but I still tell them that if they ever dream of me and see me they have to tell me it's a dream, etc. Since the dream is quite stable, I once again I think I might try to find Xanous. I ask the DCs to help me find him, pause for a moment and listen. There is no single sound in this dream. They are still trying to interact with me, saying something but in vain. The mother holds a roll of blue paper in her hands and I come up with the idea that they write down whatever they want to say. They take too long and as I wait doing nothing, the dream dissolves. I do a lousy DEILD attempt then impatiently wake myself up
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    Maybe I should have been more persistent with my attempt to go back there but I was way too awake and overexcited.

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    Updated 07-02-2013 at 05:11 PM by 61764

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    1. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      Cool dream! Heh, I liked how you stabilized by jumping on the bed. I'll bet that if I tell my son that he's allowed to jump on the bed in his lucid dreams it would rekindle his enthusiasm for trying to get lucid.

      It's also interesting how the dream got really stable right around the time that you spotted the DC's reflection and got just that little bit more... not gullible so much as just really engaged with the details of the dream. Like the reflection in the window and what that meant about the scene behind you, etc.

      I kept expecting you to give one of these interdimensional DCs a hug at some point for TotM.

      WILD (Nyx style)
      You know just the sort of teasers to post in your DJ to get my attention. I simply must know how to go about performing my first Nyx Style WILD!
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    2. Xanous's Avatar
      You know, I'm kinda glad you didn't find me. I remember jack last night.
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    3. NyxCC's Avatar
      @ Xanous Even if I had found you in that parallel universe we wouldn’t have been able to exchange passwords unless you had written it on a piece of blue paper.

      @ CL Thanks! Yes, I was really happy the dream stabilized at this point and I didn’t have to worry more about it. I became so immersed that almost all problems disappeared. Also I have to remeber to try the jumping tech some other time when there is soft furniture around.

      You know just the sort of teasers to post in your DJ to get my attention. I simply must know how to go about performing my first Nyx Style WILD!
      Oh! Well I certainly did not mean to tease, it was more like a mix of trying to make fun of my induction techs plus trying to distinguish it from all those rich in sensations WILDs that some people get. But now that you asked here is how to LD Nyx style.

      1.Get overly excited about Lding and drink some caffeine (40-90mg) to the point where you get insomnia.
      2.Spend 1-2hrs with insomnia, half the time doing induction techs and the other half just trying to fall asleep (this includes frantically rolling over until your body surrenders to the terror and tries to shut you down).
      3.Ideally you will fall asleep and have a very fast smooth transition and get an easy WILD or a DILD from scratch.
      4.Struggle to stabilize by creative means and if the dream falls apart try patching it.

      Or if you are lucky with enough noise from neighbors/guests you may have to skip step 1 and have shorter step 2 and end up with an LD of some sort or just nasty FAs.

      All right, now seriously. Well I know that’s probably not the super tech you were looking for, but unfortunately things have been working this way recently. One thing that is certain is that after 4-5hrs of sleep followed by insomnia plus caffeine body does its best to fall asleep but brain is too alert. This results in those LDs. You can rest assured that I am not trying to cause insomnia – I am either super sleepy or too alert. Not a very marketable guide to WILD.
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      Updated 07-03-2013 at 02:13 AM by NyxCC
    4. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      Heh heh, I like it. Sounds kind of like what I'm doing on galantamine night. It's interesting that you get the really smooth transitions during a WILD as well -- that's also my style. A lot of people get interesting sensations of movement, noise, etc. but I just kind of... go. I came really close on a WILD this morning, so it's on my mind.

      One effect of caffeine is that at higher doses it can suppress REM a bit. I don't know, but it's possible (??) that this contributes to the less-stable nature of these dreams? Yuschak cited some studies on this in the paper where he played with caffeine: http://lucidconsciousness.com/wp-con...cid-Dreams.pdf

      Hey, I was curious whether you'd ever played with L-theanine. That's the supp I've used in the past to quiet my mind when I needed to quiet my internal dialogue a bit during WBTB. It's a very subtle supplement and I know Xanous didn't have much luck with it, but I found that 200-400mg was a help for me. I have used it less these days but since I've been slightly more stressed in waking life the past few weeks I've been thinking it might be helpful.
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    5. NyxCC's Avatar
      Thanks for your feedback on WILD and good to hear I am not the only one that starts the dream like that. I am actually quite happy with this mode of entry, as knowing myself all the additional HI (that do happen every once in a while when I am not wilding - for example sometimes after falling asleep and awaking five mins later after melatonin) would actually become an obstacle as I am so easily distracted. So, I really hope it stays this way.

      About instability you may be quite right. Let me see, I think there are three causes of instability in my dreams 1) the nature of dreams as King Yoshi has put it in a post 2) the fact that the dream begins from scratch 3) caffeine surely has something to do with it. This is very interesting as Xanous told me after Reb bull he tried entering the dream but he wasn't properly dreaming, and here in this entry as you can see it took me three attempts to get in, not because I was trying, but just the way I was falling asleep. Thanks for the link I will read check it out as it contains useful info and is also good for lucid motivation.

      The comparison to G seems very intriguing too. While caffeine and G (I am guessing) are working on different receptors with different action, the end effect when it comes to dreams tends to be quite similar. Do you know if G affects REM in some way?

      Hey, I was curious whether you'd ever played with L-theanine. That's the supp I've used in the past to quiet my mind when I needed to quiet my internal dialogue a bit during WBTB. It's a very subtle supplement and I know Xanous didn't have much luck with it, but I found that 200-400mg was a help for me. I have used it less these days but since I've been slightly more stressed in waking life the past few weeks I've been thinking it might be helpful.
      Being a tea lover, I just can't imagine myself taking an l-theanine supp, when I can enjoy a nice cup. I have decided to try l-theanine by drinking about half a cup of matcha tea during WBTB a few times. It has 5? times the l-theanine contents of green tea plus other anti-oxidants, and the warmth and just drinking it feels very pleasurable and relaxing. The problem of course is that it is quite expensive and ran out of it. (not due to WBTB, but as I was enjoying it during the day). On the last WBTB trial my bladder got overstimulated, which may have been due to large amounts of water drunk and retained pre bed, so I decided to have a break. Haha, I just saw the entry, it is from 18th of May, it looks like I also had lots of got-to-pee FAs. Lol. At the time, I thought it might give me insomnia, but now perhaps it was just me and not the tea? (70 mg caffeine? ). I so miss the taste...really have to buy some more and give it a try again for WBTB. Maybe I will have better success this time?
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      Updated 07-04-2013 at 02:35 AM by NyxCC
    6. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      Heh, I can't say that I've ever woken up straight after falling asleep with melatonin. I'm usually out like a light even under normal circumstances and with melatonin, I'm really slumbering!

      So it sounds like the one area where we differ in style is with HI. I do get quite a lot of HI during WILD, and it's in fact what I rely on to enter. But what I never experience are any form of vibration, rushing sensation, loud noises, fright, confusion, etc. I basically just settle in and start watching little random movies and try to cast myself in one before I lose my awareness. From then it's just win some, lose some.

      Right, caffeine and G are complementary and have very different methods of action. G is all about increasing (and maintaining) the overall levels of acetylcholine in your brain. Acetylcholine correlates strongly not only with REM sleep but also with memory. Caffeine is good at suppressing deep sleep, although at higher doses you do have to watch for it suppressing REM sleep as well. It also has some nice dopaminergic effects and should raise levels of norepinephrine in the brain, both of which help with dreaming (particularly lucid dreaming.)

      I like your idea for natural L-theanine! As for the expense of your tea... well hey, L-theanine isn't cheap either so I think you're doing fine. I do drink a gigantic mixed tea on most of my G nights these days and I also face some issues with bladder overstimulation. Perhaps this is where the peeing dream came from, even though there was no actual bladder pressure. Guess there was the fear/expectation of it though! Anyway, I'll have to look into that matcha tea! Was it 70mg of caffeine in the matcha or was that a different source? That's definitely getting up there!
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    7. NyxCC's Avatar
      So it sounds like the one area where we differ in style is with HI. I do get quite a lot of HI during WILD, and it's in fact what I rely on to enter. But what I never experience are any form of vibration, rushing sensation, loud noises, fright, confusion, etc. I basically just settle in and start watching little random movies and try to cast myself in one before I lose my awareness. From then it's just win some, lose some.
      I think those differences are mostly due to labelling. I call HI all these small separate items like HI lights/fog that swirls (I often get that), and then there are these I just woke up after falling asleep type of HI - like a circle in front of my eyes, some kind of patterns, fabric of space, and even creepy stuff like a silouette these are imposed on the room for 2-5 seconds after wake. I've also heard the occasional HI noise when waking up from sleep in the morning.

      The ones that you are talking about - I call them dreamlets as they are much more complex and only happen with eyes closed. I can have those upon initially falling asleep and in rare instances fully enter them right after bedtime, but most of the time I just notice them and wake up . And of course the WBTB WILD is me falling asleep while the dream is forming around me or me more like semi-consciously participating in some already formed dreamlet. These two are really close as entry methods and hard to distinguish if they happen very fast and you are able to have a proper lucid.

      So we are both using dreamlets, but I am more passive in letting it get me, and you're trying to cast yourself in. I probably should try your way by being more proactive but with my insomnia I have to be very careful

      I'll have to look into that matcha tea! Was it 70mg of caffeine in the matcha or was that a different source? That's definitely getting up there!
      It says on the internet that one teaspoon is 70mg, I think this is how much I used last time with half a cup below boiling temperature water (as not to get too much liquid plus I like a stronger taste). You just have to mix the stuff really well.
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      Updated 07-04-2013 at 03:45 AM by NyxCC
    8. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      So we are both using dreamlets, but I am more passive in letting it get me, and you're trying to cast yourself in. I probably should try your way by being more proactive but with my insomnia I have to be very careful
      Nice, thanks for the description! It actually sounds like we take a very similar approach then. I'm also very passive at the beginning and try to just spend some time relaxing and enjoying what I'm seeing. Once I get a nice scene going, I try to enter, perform some kind of repetitive motion going, etc. at "just the right time". (Still trying to figure out when "the right time" is, but sometimes I get it. )
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