Thread: Archetype Control: An Elegant Tool

A big thanks goes out to Xei for getting the third part up and running!

I read part 3. I see what you mean by how the things in part 3 are mostly up to us. You say tat building archetypes in dreams is difficult if you arent lucid often but reading over it I have built them in non lucids on severalm ocasions. I type of super running that I do I developed in non lucid dreams.

I guess I should have been a tad more specific.

Yes, building up specific archetypes in dreams is typically hard to do if you aren't lucid often, but remember I said:

As it turns out, if you figure out how to do something cool in a dream, and are able to reproduce those results, you've got the makings of an intensely powerful Archetype right at your fingertips.

I didn't say "lucid" for a reason. It's entirely possible to begin creation of archetypes from a non-lucid; you just have to figure out what you did in that non-lucid and put it into practice. Most of the time these non-lucid abilities are interesting one-time deals that rarely occur again unless you make the effort to build on them. Obviously, there are exceptions to that, like, for instance, your running, or my initial TK and sword drawing abilities. The most crucial thing to keep in mind, however, is the importance of repetition. If non-lucids can do that for you, that's awesome, but oftentimes you'll have to look to lucids to do most of your building and strengthening.

The 3rd part is up? Whit??

*Goes off the find it*

And thanks Xei

Wait did i miss something cuz I cant find were the third part is. Can I get a link.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f14/archet...9/#post1537963

Under Part 2.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

http://www.dreamviews.com/f14/archet...9/#post1537963

Under Part 2.

ah duh okay.

Well, now this great article is perfect!

Originally Posted by Phantasos

Well, now this great article is perfect!

Thanks!

And on a side note, I was thinking about trying to apply as a professor and teach a class or two on basic and/or advanced archetype control and it's applications both inside of dreams and out, but I wanted to gauge interest in that before I committed to it. Figured this would be a good place to start that process.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Thanks!

And on a side note, I was thinking about trying to apply as a professor and teach a class or two on basic and/or advanced archetype control and it's applications both inside of dreams and out, but I wanted to gauge interest in that before I committed to it. Figured this would be a good place to start that process.

I might be interested.

Originally Posted by MadMonkey

I might be interested.

Me too.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Thanks!

And on a side note, I was thinking about trying to apply as a professor and teach a class or two on basic and/or advanced archetype control and it's applications both inside of dreams and out, but I wanted to gauge interest in that before I committed to it. Figured this would be a good place to start that process.

I would also be interested, now if only I can get myself lucid more often, only 1-3 lucids a month isn't too often imo

This is quite interesting Mzzkc! I've heard some of the words before but never really had it summed up like that before! Nice. Unfortunatly I don't have the greatest lucidity in dreams either I like this because it gives one something to think about and actually could be applicable instead of sounding like a bunch of mumbo-jumbo nobody really wants to do. My thing is though is how would you go about doing something you haven't remotely ever done? Is it all just a kind of illusion? A bad example but like if you've never killed someone(or maybe a zombie, wink wink) then how do you know what it feels like? Slightly confused, will read your post again.

Hah, that's funny. I think just last night I accidentally used an archetype to fly. I play minecraft a lot, so I was trying to fly in my dream so I just hit F and was off the ground in seconds. It all happened so quickly. This looks really useful, thanks!

Originally Posted by Pistachio

This is quite interesting Mzzkc! I've heard some of the words before but never really had it summed up like that before! Nice. Unfortunatly I don't have the greatest lucidity in dreams either I like this because it gives one something to think about and actually could be applicable instead of sounding like a bunch of mumbo-jumbo nobody really wants to do. My thing is though is how would you go about doing something you haven't remotely ever done? Is it all just a kind of illusion? A bad example but like if you've never killed someone(or maybe a zombie, wink wink) then how do you know what it feels like? Slightly confused, will read your post again.

Well, in most cases you can just use a similar experience you associate with the intended result. For instance, recalling scenes from movies or TV shows in which killing happens.

An example: I needed to take out an enemy, but my blade wasn't cutting. Calling from a scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail I easily managed to dismember my opponent by swatting at his arms.

Originally Posted by Cethulsus

Hah, that's funny. I think just last night I accidentally used an archetype to fly. I play minecraft a lot, so I was trying to fly in my dream so I just hit F and was off the ground in seconds. It all happened so quickly. This looks really useful, thanks!

Yes! This is an excellent example of archetype control and how easy it is to do. All Minecraft players should learn from this, as emulating a button press is by far one of the easiest ways to start flying.

Great guide, thank you! I hope it works, I'll get back to you on it's effectiveness. Thank you also, for the dissertation on the effectiveness of belief in dreams, it's very intriguing and explains quite a bit of scenarios where my own confidence (which is simply belief in one's self) was not enough.

An important thing to remember when choosing which archetypes you want to work with is that the more stable and well established the archetype, the more reliable the results. For instance, I don't use my hands for telekenisis very often in my lucids, but I'm exposed to a large variety of fiction where characters use many different powers with their hands. So when I did try to use hand directed telekenisis in my lucid, it activated the my "hand powers" archetype and I got some random power because the wiring doesn't lead to anything consistent. I ended up getting Iron Man like spotlights shooting out of my hands. Not lasers, just spotlights. I had just recently watched Iron Man.

There are two different "Schools" to working with archetypes. The first takes a more ritualistic approach. Working with a limited number of archetypes and archetypal systems, you make them super stable through repetition. The benefits of this method is that you get pin point accuracy with your results. The downside is you are limited by your tools, and can find youself in situations where you prepared archetypes are not useful. This style is much easier to use, even if you don't understand dream control.

The other approach is more free style, where you use whatever is available. This method lacks precision and can yield chaotic results. But your options are unlimited, and you don't always need precision. This style requires a better understanding of working with archetypes, and of how the ritualistic archetypes work, but it's much more flexible.

Originally Posted by Vincent Venatici

Great guide, thank you! I hope it works, I'll get back to you on it's effectiveness. Thank you also, for the dissertation on the effectiveness of belief in dreams, it's very intriguing and explains quite a bit of scenarios where my own confidence (which is simply belief in one's self) was not enough.

If you liked that bit, you should check out my most recent piece in which I try to pull together all current knowledge of dream control into one unifying theory that is applicable to all control.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

An important thing to remember when choosing which archetypes you want to work with is that the more stable and well established the archetype, the more reliable the results. For instance, I don't use my hands for telekenisis very often in my lucids, but I'm exposed to a large variety of fiction where characters use many different powers with their hands. So when I did try to use hand directed telekenisis in my lucid, it activated the my "hand powers" archetype and I got some random power because the wiring doesn't lead to anything consistent. I ended up getting Iron Man like spotlights shooting out of my hands. Not lasers, just spotlights. I had just recently watched Iron Man.

Yeah, the stronger, more developed archetypes always give you better, more precise, results than flimsier ones which can often leave you dealing with unintended results.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

There are two different "Schools" to working with archetypes. The first takes a more ritualistic approach. Working with a limited number of archetypes and archetypal systems, you make them super stable through repetition. The benefits of this method is that you get pin point accuracy with your results. The downside is you are limited by your tools, and can find youself in situations where you prepared archetypes are not useful. This style is much easier to use, even if you don't understand dream control.

The other approach is more free style, where you use whatever is available. This method lacks precision and can yield chaotic results. But your options are unlimited, and you don't always need precision. This style requires a better understanding of working with archetypes, and of how the ritualistic archetypes work, but it's much more flexible.

Good input here. I definitely recommend people get a good taste of both if possible, starting with the more ritualistic control that I tried to introduce in this guide. This way they can have the best of both worlds.

That was really helpful. As for an archetype control class, I might be interested.

Absolutely Fascinating, don't know how this subject has escaped my view for so long. Very nice guide also.

I've already come across this type of control back then. So there I was, staring at the sky as hundreds of star destroyers were annihilating everything that came across their path. I immediately jumped in this nearby parked X-wing. The view suddenly changed from 1st person to 3rd person view. I took off and started firing at the huge capital ships. I controlled it with the use of this invisible keyboard at the back of my head, using my mind to interact with it. I don't know how to piece it up together cause it's kinda... complicated. All I know is, this control must have been the result of my fondness to SW Battlefront 2.