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      Hello My name is Brandon, and I have been lucid dreaming on and off for 5 years. For starters ill let you know that I don't have any problems getting lucid at all. If I want to get

      lucid, it only takes a couple of days at the most to get a lucid dream. My problem is that there only ever 5mins long. Ive tried every technique I could find on the internet, like

      yelling increase lucidity and yelling clarity now. Ive tried staring at single objects and willing things to become more clear. Ive rubbed my hands together a MILLION TIMES but

      eventually I just lose feeling of them. I Have spun around but that just makes lose my sense of everything and I wake up. Also the things I hate the most is when I become lucid I

      cant move, its like my body is paralyzed. recently I had a lucid dream were it took a lot of will power just to walk around, and when I tried to turn my head around it was like

      moving through syrup and my dream started to fade away so I stopped. I know im not getting over excited because I know how to stay calm. So is there anyone out there who

      knows something I have not tried and can help me. I actually losing motivation to lucid dream because there all low resolution, and I know they can be better than this. So anyone

      who might be able to help or have been through this before please help. im willing to try anything. But please no one post just keep trying because ive done that a million times.

      Thanks you anyone who respond's.

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      Have you tried going through the dream slowly? Just take the time to feel and see details in the dream and that may help with stabilising.
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      When you're body is heavy, rather than moving your limbs, you could move your body by imagining you're operating a remote control with your mind that moves your body. Just imagine the motion of pushing a throttle forward that will move you forward, or in any other direction. You could also use the remote control that's in your pocket or have one blindly handed to you. If it doesn't work ask for one that does.

      For vividness, you could try wearing the prescription glasses that are in your pocket or have them blindly handed to you. If they don't work, ask for ones that do.
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      Yes I have tried looking at the dream slowly. I'll keep trying it to see if it helps more.
      I don't think the glass thing would work because most of my lucid i am alone. I would just ask the dream for some, but I feel like it would be no different than demanding clarity now

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      You can do this if you're alone. Just reach your hand to the side while looking forward and have the glasses handed to you. Nobody has to be present for the glasses to be handed to you.

      Alternatively, you can reach into your pocket for the glasses.
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      Okay I'll give this a shot tonight
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      I might have missed something you said, but i'll try to help anyway.

      ・ The point of stabilization methods is to point your attention towards the dream sensations. Simply put: if you only rub your hands without understanding why, i doubt it would work out. In lucid dreams, it's better to not dwell on your inner thoughts which direct your attention away from the dream and causes it to collapse. That's also called minfulness, being in the present moment.

      ・ If you have trouble moving, you might be trying too hard to move your actual body. I heard somewhere before that when someone tries to run they can't, and the reason i see is that they tried to move with their muscles which are actually paralyzed in SP in your real body, so when you focus too much on your muscles and the like, it messes it up. Other instances are punching people, many people report the punch being very weak, even i experienced this. The reason i saw here too was that the puncher focused too much on "strength" or "tensing your muscles to make the punch stronger" both of which point to what i just said above. Though this is all from what i observed and read.

      Lastly, if your senses seem to fade away too quickly, you might be actually losing your attention on them just like many people do in real life.

      All of what i said is from my part, i'm not 100% sure of this though.
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      There's a Dream Yoga section in the tutorials. I'm only going through Lesson 1 right now. So I haven't looked at the answers.

      But I suspect the exercises like trying to hear multiple things at once and pay attention to the stimuli around you. Have carryover into the dream world for stabilization. I don't think about stabilization. I assume my awareness stabilizes the dream. Thus in order to stabilize the dream I need to give more of my attention to it. What are the sounds, smells, sights?

      You could also hear a door closing. That door leads to a colourful dream. Complete with a dial to turn up the settings.

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      I understand why I am rubbing my hands together. It so post to anchor you in the dream more by bring in all of your senses. It just never seems to work for me. About the paralyzed problem I think your right on that part. It doesn't always happen so ill try to go about moving in a different way next time thank you. Ill try to focus on the dream more and be more mindful but im actually pretty focused. I never lose lucidity after becoming lucid I just seem to destabilize and wake up

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      Thanks xxphoebusxx Ill check out the dream yoga thread to see if it can help, it sounds promising. Now that I think about it I never seem to hear much in a lucid dream beyond the people I might be talking too. maybe that's the problem

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      I can't seem to find the dream yoga section in the tutorials. We're exactly is it

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      I read in one of Castanedas books, that if you first look to your hands (not for too long) and then focus your attention on the dream, it will help to stabilize the whole thing (repeat it several times).
      This is the method that works out the best for me. I have the same problem with spinning as you have and rubbing my hands or call out for the dream to stabilize does not always work. Give it a shot, maybe it helps

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      Thanks I'll try that tonight. Thanks for the respons

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      There is a completely different approach, which led to quite a lot of lucidity in my dream once. In my lucid dream, I wished for a bed and performed WILD. Surely, this doesn't work as it works in Inception. Anyway, the second layer lucid dream was very stable and I had quite a lot of time to have fun. As my lucid dream within the lucid dream collapsed, I didn't wake up completely, I ended up in the first layer.

      Give it a try, what could go wrong?
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      I wrote a thing on this years ago that might help get you into the correct mindset for stabilization: Stabilization Fundamentals

      Best of luck!
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      I am in your situation as well. I've gotten used to just wakening up from the first lucid and DEILDing back into a more stable one. Sometimes this takes 2-3 attempts.

      Review your dream journal and see what has worked before. For me, it is to verbally say the different things I am seeing, such as: "Pillow, bed, door, stairs..."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alex1475 View Post
      I Have spun around but that just makes lose my sense of everything and I wake up
      That's because everything requires your attention to exist in a dream. Fast spinning is too disorienting, and you can't properly focus on your surroundings, which can destabilize your immediate dream environment. Spinning can work, if you don't disorient yourself. The reason spinning works is because it generates a feeling of MOMENTUM.

      Momentum is the key to dream stabilization. Any movement which generates a feeling of momentum forces you to achieve an optimal balance of attention between you and your surroundings (hand rubbing only stabilizes you, not your surroundings).
      There are so many things that work better than spinning. Running, jumping, flying, smashing shit. I guarantee momentum will stabilize your dreams quickly.

      There was a recent study at the university of Ottawa which determined a feeling of kinesthetic movement is what preceded OBE type dreams. Basically a feeling of moving. From my experience, the key is Momentum, which stabilizes things super fast. Sometimes so fast, it feels like you leave your body.

      http://www.popsci.com/article/scienc...f-out-her-body
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      Quote Originally Posted by The Cusp View Post
      That's because everything requires your attention to exist in a dream. Fast spinning is too disorienting, and you can't properly focus on your surroundings, which can destabilize your immediate dream environment. Spinning can work, if you don't disorient yourself. The reason spinning works is because it generates a feeling of MOMENTUM.

      Momentum is the key to dream stabilization. Any movement which generates a feeling of momentum forces you to achieve an optimal balance of attention between you and your surroundings (hand rubbing only stabilizes you, not your surroundings).
      There are so many things that work better than spinning. Running, jumping, flying, smashing shit. I guarantee momentum will stabilize your dreams quickly.

      There was a recent study at the university of Ottawa which determined a feeling of kinesthetic movement is what preceded OBE type dreams. Basically a feeling of moving. From my experience, the key is Momentum, which stabilizes things super fast. Sometimes so fast, it feels like you leave your body.

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      Can you explain more about this momentum?

      For example, let's say I just now became aware that I am dreaming and am lucid... what am I suppose to do to stabilize everything? while standing still and while walking in the dream? what's this momentum?

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      Momentum is when you can really feel yourself moving. Like if you're in a car that accelerates really fast, and you feel yourself getting pushed back in your seat. Intense movement.

      Don't walk or run, sprint as fast as you can! Throw stuff as hard as you can, smash stuff as hard as you can. The more intense the feeling of movement, the better.

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      Quote Originally Posted by The Cusp View Post
      Momentum is when you can really feel yourself moving. Like if you're in a car that accelerates really fast, and you feel yourself getting pushed back in your seat. Intense movement.

      Don't walk or run, sprint as fast as you can! Throw stuff as hard as you can, smash stuff as hard as you can. The more intense the feeling of movement, the better.

      Throwing stuff? That sounds ingenious!! I have problems with stability atm, and that sounds like a great thing to try! Thanks!
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