Thread: How to Dilate Time

Originally Posted by moonshine

Have to say, your Zen Master posturing is tedious in the extreme.

NREM dreams are very different from REM dreams - so hardly a technicality.

Why is it whenever I read TIME DILATION on the board, it is always described by some self proclaimed lucid guru with mastery of dream time and space. Apparently.

It is very much not sold as being a matter of perception, but as being able to make a 30 minute dream actually last 2 hours using only the power of their giant minds! And it is this - clearly - which I am calling Bullshit.

Mhm.
1. Zen is for fools. A master fool means nothing to me. Zen discussion is a moot point, and entirely *unrelated* to the conversation.

2. 'Apparently', you've not been following correctly. I said I have not wilfully dilated time within a dream successfully, but on a few occasions have been strangely surprised by what seems to not fit -- as I said, I think the subjectivity becomes apparent.

3. Cut the 'giant minds' so that egotism isn't a factor, and suddenly calling 'clearly bullshit' on describing an already discussed (and apparently ignored by you) determination of the subjectivity of time dilation, looks even more ignorant of contradiction than the first time you typed 'bullshit' against it.

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Icarus22 and Speesh, the 'feeling' is the interpretation. There is no objectivity involved whatsoever. Even a clock abides by your interpretation.

Copernicus says:

Originally Posted by ClouD

Mhm.
1. Zen is for fools. A master fool means nothing to me.

FYI This would be some of that tedious posturing.

Originally Posted by ClouD

2. 'Apparently', you've not been following correctly. I said I have not wilfully dilated time within a dream successfully, but on a few occasions have been strangely surprised by what seems to not fit

Actually what you said was that you hadn't been succesful in "Dilating time to any great extent". Which is not the same as saying you haven't at all.

Originally Posted by ClouD

3. Cut the 'giant minds' so that egotism isn't a factor, and suddenly calling 'clearly bullshit' on describing an already discussed (and apparently ignored by you) determination of the subjectivity of time dilation, looks even more ignorant of contradiction than the first time you typed 'bullshit' against it.

I suspect if Egotism wasn't a factor you wouldn't constructing rather oblique arguments like the above.

For the record, I don't believe there is any particular rule with regards to expressing an opinion on a the subject under discussion...whether I agree with the consensus or not.

I stand by my initial statement. The term Dilation does mean the Literal stretching of time. Anybody who claims they can literally dilate dream time is absolutely bullshitting .

You may now be contradicting yourself.
Your earlier posts seem to infer that actual time dilation is achievable via transcendental levels of awareness.

Now your saying that its simply a matter of perception. Can't see how that adds up. If your vast levels of experience do bring you such a crystal clear awareness of your dreams, how come you still don't realise that your dream is jumping around and your imagining time passing which actually hasn't?

Just sayin'

Originally Posted by Icarus22

I realize you can't make 30 minutes into 2 hours, but you can make it feel like two hours can't you?

Maybe if you dream you're standing in a que watching some old woman counting out small change. I'd bet that would seem like forever!

Originally Posted by moonshine

Copernicus says: FYI This would be some of that tedious posturing.

Inside joke, deal with it.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Actually what you said was that you hadn't been succesful in "Dilating time to any great extent". Which is not the same as saying you haven't at all.

I implied that the only way that time dilation could be seen was through a great extent. How would you even suspect there was time dilation otherwise?

Originally Posted by moonshine

I suspect if Egotism wasn't a factor you wouldn't constructing rather oblique arguments like the above.

Don't get what you're implying other than I'm egotistic?

Originally Posted by moonshine

For the record, I don't believe there is any particular rule with regards to expressing an opinion on a the subject under discussion...whether I agree with the consensus or not.

Note the contradictions instead of ignoring them and repeating your opinion blindly.

Originally Posted by moonshine

I stand by my initial statement. The term Dilation does mean the Literal stretching of time. Anybody who claims they can literally dilate dream time is absolutely bullshitting .

Semantics to restate your opinion within *possible* validity, but no, time is subjective, there is no literal stretching of time other than subjectively so.

Also, your 'initial statement' in this thread about your defining of the term doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by moonshine

You may now be contradicting yourself.
Your earlier posts seem to infer that actual time dilation is achievable via transcendental levels of awareness.

'May' 'seem to infer', more semantics?
Even if I have, I can't remember, and I must've been as stupid as I am. Regardless...even in the possible context you've displayed, contradiction to the previous shows change.
That you blindly flail in ignorance to contradiction, shows nothing but disinformation tactics to not swallow pride.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Now you're saying that its simply a matter of perception. Can't see how that adds up. If your vast levels of experience do bring you such a crystal clear awareness of your dreams, how come you still don't realise that your dream is jumping around and you're imagining time passing which actually hasn't?

Just sayin'

Time is perception, it is imaginary.
Again, you've continued the idea that time is objective, while holding onto that you don't believe it is - which is the exact contradiction I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Inside joke, deal with it.

Seems your the only one on the inside, doesn't it.

Originally Posted by ClouD

I implied that the only way that time dilation could be seen was through a great extent. How would you even suspect there was time dilation otherwise?

No. What you actually said is a matter of record.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Don't get what you're implying other than I'm egotistic?

Well done Daniel-san. Can I add pretentious to the mix?

Originally Posted by ClouD

Note the contradictions instead of ignoring them and repeating your opinion blindly.

Don't think I will thanks. I think that what I will do is offer my own opinions without feeling the need to reference each and every previous post specifically. You know, in much the same way as everyone else does.

I will also repeat my opinions if it is relevant to ongoing discussions.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Semantics to restate your opinion within *possible* validity, but no, time is subjective, there is no literal stretching of time other than subjectively so.

Seems to me that you're the one hiding behind sematics. I've been fairly clear as to my take on it.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Also, your 'initial statement' in this thread about your defining of the term doesn't exist.

Do you think so? I can only hope the subsequent posts cleared things up.

Originally Posted by ClouD

'May' 'seem to infer', more semantics?

You tell me champ. What would you call saying one thing then saying the opposite?

Originally Posted by ClouD

Even if I have, I can't remember, and I must've been as stupid as I am. Regardless...even in the possible context you've displayed, contradiction to the previous shows change.
That you blindly flail in ignorance to contradiction, shows nothing but disinformation tactics to not swallow pride.

Is this a haiku? You're a charmer though aren't you ClouD?
To be honest, It seems you're the one who's pride is hurt.
Layering on reams of indecipherable baseless criticism would be more akin to the blind flailing you describe.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Time is perception, it is imaginary.
Again, you've continued the idea that time is objective, while holding onto that you don't believe it is - which is the exact contradiction I'm talking about.

No. Time is time. Unless your rocketing around the universe at the speed of light, theres no changing that.

I've been pretty clear on this. Maybe you should read some of my posts.


By the way, you didn't answer my question.

Interesting post from another thread. Defines Time Dilation as DV members commonly understand it.

Originally Posted by DuB

Your experiences of your subjective sense of waking time slowing down, while certainly interesting, ultimately have little to do with the topic of time dilation as it pertains to dreaming. So far the only poster who has actually described an experience that could be rightfully labeled 'time dilation' is juroara, with the comment, "...I have this incredible amazing lucid dream, in the span of a minute or less." In dreaming, time dilation refers to the phenomenon of experiencing a great amount of dream time in a small amount of waking time. For example, someone may take a brief 20-minute nap and then wake up reporting that they went on a 3-hour long adventure in their dream. In extreme cases, people have even claimed to have experienced literal years of dream time in a single night.

Some people may say that I am nitpicking, but I think it's important that we at least keep our terms straight.

Heres an old thread on the subject. No idea why it wasn't dropped into beyond dreaming.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...=time+dilation

Moonshine, you're being ignorant. Enough with insults and tell me why I'm wrong and you're right.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Lets not forget that the longer a dream lasts the harder it is to remember anything. Anyone who says they can make a dream last hours is bullshitting.

1. Let 'us', being you only speaking on behalf of your opinions, you are not speaking objectively.
2. 'Harder'. Level of difficulty is subjective, and the level of recall is also different for every person -- I've pointed this out.
3. You've stated with certainty that 'anyone who says they can make a dream last hours is bullshitting'. This is not certain, because time is not objective, it is subjective and relative, hence this is a FALSE STATEMENT.

Tell me why what I've said is wrong, and that what you've said is right and is a true and certain statement, as it was presented.

Originally Posted by moonshine

I myself have experienced Lucids 30 to 45 minutes, though this may just be a matter of perception.

None of this has anything to do with the concept of "Dream Time Dilation", which I rightly claim to be bullshit.

1. It is a matter of perception, I never said it wasn't. In fact I pointed out that perception of time is subjective.
2. 'Dream Time Dilation' has everything to do with the falsity of the first statement which I pointed out. If time is subjectively perceived, then there can be no certainty of whether everyone is 'bullshitting', which becomes obsolete anyway since it is up to interpretation, which makes the statement false and ignorant. This means that 'Dream Time Dilation' is entirely subjective, as it would be dilation of a SOLELY relative and subjectively experienced perception of time.
3. You can 'rightly' claim whatever you like, that does not mean that it is fact.

Time dilation, time being perceived subjectively and dilation being the expansion of that subjective interpretation. I don't see how you can call 'bullshit' on that, unless you believe that time is entirely objective, which you've expressed you don't -- it looks contradicting. vv SEE BELOW vv

Originally Posted by Speesh

I take it you don't believe time is subjective then?

Originally Posted by moonshine

Of course its subjective.

If you believe that time is subjective, as you have said, then your statements are false, and ignorant of the obvious contradiction. They are blindly calling 'bullshit' on things that cannot even be analysed or verified objectively, and have no validity at all.

Not hard to grasp.

If you can refute then I eagerly await, but if you want to just call bullshit and claim validity without acknowledging any contradictions or flaws, then I'll have no part of the retarded disinformation run-around.

Wow. Your really throwing everything at the wall with this one.
I can see why you're called ClouD. I think smoke-screen would me more accurate though...

I think I see your problem.

Time dilation, time being perceived subjectively and dilation being the expansion of that subjective interpretation. I don't see how you can call 'bullshit' on that, unless you believe that time is entirely objective, which you've expressed you don't -- it looks contradicting. vv SEE BELOW vv

No. Your trying to manufacture a fallacious argument.
The above is your definition, not mine. I don't really care what you've decided the term means.

Time Dilation, to me, and I would suggest to most, describes the actual stretching of time. For example, literally having two minutes worth of experience in 1 minute of real time.

"oh the dream seemed longer than the time it actually took" is a subjective opinion. I have no problem with anyone making such a statement. But it is, for obvious reasons, essentially meaningless.

"The dream actually was longer than the time it actually took" is bullshit.

You're the one desperately trying to mix up subjectivity and actuallity. I never have.

Some salient points:


1) We get 2 hours of REM Sleep, in total, in any one night. Time Dilation aside, anyone claiming to have had 8 hours of dream in any one night is Bullshitting.

2) The Scientific research demonstrated that dream time passes the same as real time.

3) Dreams are difficult to recall in full. They are also disjointed. It is all to obvious how an accurate assesment of time can be flawed.
This does not however = time dilation.

4) Lucid dreams of course have additional clarity. Science has show that lucid dreamers assesment of time passing does concur with reality.

4) Anyone who claims to have experienced 10 years in one night of dreaming is bullshitting. Any variation on the same is bullshit.

Me and a friend talked about this to some extent. I havent tried it, but he told me some techniques he uses and the results.

This technique is simple. Basically just go into a portal, and expect when you come out on the other side youll be there for (insert amount of time)

He says he was there for about 6 years. Not literally, but the 30 minutes or so he was there, his mind made it seem like 6 years to him.

This can be useful. (This will sound emo) But if you really dont like your life, you want to escape for a LONG time..Do this. You can get away for a virtual 6 years (wich is really 30 minutes) and be God the entire time.

No, I havent tried this. So I dont know if it works. Anybody feels like trying it, tell me how it works out for you.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Time Dilation, to me, and I would suggest to most, describes the actual stretching of time. For example, literally having two minutes worth of experience in 1 minute of real time.

"Actual stretching of time"? You mean such that if there were some brainwave recorder which could make a movie of someone's dream, it would occur at 2x speed or whatever, including the dreamer's actions, while the dreamer would report everything occurring at normal speed, yes?

There have been reports from people in explosions, etc., where they were under the influence of large amounts of adrenalin, that everything appeared to happen "like in a dream, at glacial speed". This would appear to correspond to what you call literal time dilation, so I would not be so fast to say it is impossible in dreams, only improbable.

The Scientific research demonstrated that dream time passes the same as real time.
Only in normal conditions, not while attempting time dilation. It certainly does not show that time dilation is impossible, only that it did not occur.

Anyone who claims to have experienced 10 years in one night of dreaming is bullshitting. Any variation on the same is bullshit.
I agree. But only because it is physically impossible to think ~3.7 thousand times faster than normal (even with the help of adrenalin) without killing yourself.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

There have been reports from people in explosions, etc., where they were under the influence of large amounts of adrenalin, that everything appeared to happen "like in a dream, at glacial speed". This would appear to correspond to what you call literal time dilation, so I would not be so fast to say it is impossible in dreams, only improbable.

There are two stress scenarios:

1) Short sharp shocks.
http://www.livescience.com/health/071211-time-slow.html

You brain focuses and lays down denser memory information, making you feel that time was longer.

2) Extended Crisis.
A little adrenaline is good for memory. But once this goes beyond a certain level it has detrimental impacts.

What happens during times of stress is that certain parts of your brain go dormant and all of your attention is focused on those attributes are most likely to save you - memory not being one of them.
You're memories of events can be utterly flawed. Survivors have been found to have fabricated memories. Scientist suggest that this is because we unconsciously try to fill in the gaps and create a coherent narrative.


In both cases time doesn't actually increase. All that happens is recollections are flawed.

Before Einstein's analogy of the bending of spacetime, showing that time is relative, time was a complete mystery to science. To this day still nobody fully understands time. Except for moonshine, he already has it all figured out apperently. "Time can't stretch! It's not a toffee". This guy is brilliant, someone give him the Nobel prize already!

I've experimented with this concept before. It's very possible to perceive an extention of time. If you have the intent it's likely to occur. I've tested this using an affirmation based technique in which I repeat "Tonight, my dreams will appear longer upon awakening and recallization". You can certainly trick the mind's perception into believing what's not true. If you're fluent with self hypnosis you may know you can inject false memories in manors such as this. Basically one way of going about this would be using this technique. It may also craft the dream's flow to result differently. You may frequently change scenarios so it seems as if more has happened.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Wow. Your really throwing everything at the wall with this one.
I can see why you're called ClouD. I think smoke-screen would me more accurate though...

I think I see your problem.



No. Your trying to manufacture a fallacious argument.
The above is your definition, not mine. I don't really care what you've decided the term means.

Time Dilation, to me, and I would suggest to most, describes the actual stretching of time. For example, literally having two minutes worth of experience in 1 minute of real time.

"oh the dream seemed longer than the time it actually took" is a subjective opinion. I have no problem with anyone making such a statement. But it is, for obvious reasons, essentially meaningless.

"The dream actually was longer than the time it actually took" is bullshit.

You're the one desperately trying to mix up subjectivity and actuallity. I never have.

Some salient points:


1) We get 2 hours of REM Sleep, in total, in any one night. Time Dilation aside, anyone claiming to have had 8 hours of dream in any one night is Bullshitting.

2) The Scientific research demonstrated that dream time passes the same as real time.

3) Dreams are difficult to recall in full. They are also disjointed. It is all to obvious how an accurate assesment of time can be flawed.
This does not however = time dilation.

4) Lucid dreams of course have additional clarity. Science has show that lucid dreamers assesment of time passing does concur with reality.

4) Anyone who claims to have experienced 10 years in one night of dreaming is bullshitting. Any variation on the same is bullshit.

Time is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. Dreams are ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. One minute cannot be two minutes, simply they are both subjective, sometimes 'one minute' feels longer than a supposed 'one minute', but stretching something subjective is inclusive of the term subjective.

Experience is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. You just don't get it do you.

"The dream actually was longer than the time it actually took" is bullshit.
I agree, that's impossible, because time is subjective.
"oh the dream seemed longer than the time it actually took" is a subjective opinion. I have no problem with anyone making such a statement. But it is, for obvious reasons, essentially meaningless.
Meaningless? Since time is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, as well as experience is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, then the subjective opinion is the only thing that can be taken for any evidence. You cannot objectively analyse whether the opinion is true, nor can you analyse whether someone has 'dilated time' within their dream, because it is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

Time is ONLY ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE and ENTIRELY RELATIVE. There is nothing else to it, there is no objectivity that can ever be known. That is actuality.

1. I'm not arguing with you on your cynicism, solely because you can only disbelieve or believe with the inexperience. You cannot say for certain yes or no without stupidity, because it is not certain and can never be unless you end up experiencing. You can only truthfully say you don't know.

2. Time is relative, they can't prove shit all. No-one can. I don't give a fuck what some stupid scientist thinks he has proven, when time is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

3. Difficulty is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. Some people find it hard to remember where they left their keys, some people don't. What you are saying is not fact, at the most it is a stupid belief or disbelief. Time dilation cannot be measured, because it is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

4. Not all lucid dreams have greater clarity in comparison to normal dreams, there are hundreds on this website that can attest to that. A lucid dreamer's assessment of time is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. Science can only determine possibility in this regard, and 'supporting evidence' at best, is completely stupid because and individual's assessment is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

5. I don't know. I'm not stupid enough to say it's bullshit because since time and experience is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, then it is impossible to know without the personal experience.

You're right, I'm talking to a wall. You're an imbecile or a troll, I'm not going to continue this *discussion* since you are acting or are actually so ignorant.

That was a bit aggressive, ClouD...

Sure, you can't actually measure "how long a second feels like" by itself and get a meaningful result, all you are doing is defining some subjective experience of time passing as "one second". But you can define one second in subjective time, then measure again and see if it changes under some conditions. This won't be able to prove that time dilation is impossible, but it will show if it is possible.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Before Einstein's analogy of the bending of spacetime, showing that time is relative, time was a complete mystery to science. To this day still nobody fully understands time. Except for moonshine, he already has it all figured out apperently. "Time can't stretch! It's not a toffee". This guy is brilliant, someone give him the Nobel prize already!

The theory of relativity does not apply to an immobile earthbound object.

No need for a nobel prize. A basic understanding of popular science lets me know that much.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Time is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. Dreams are ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. One minute cannot be two minutes, simply they are both subjective, sometimes 'one minute' feels longer than a supposed 'one minute', but stretching something subjective is inclusive of the term subjective.

Experience is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. You just don't get it do you.

"The dream actually was longer than the time it actually took" is bullshit.
I agree, that's impossible, because time is subjective.
"oh the dream seemed longer than the time it actually took" is a subjective opinion. I have no problem with anyone making such a statement. But it is, for obvious reasons, essentially meaningless.
Meaningless? Since time is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, as well as experience is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, then the subjective opinion is the only thing that can be taken for any evidence. You cannot objectively analyse whether the opinion is true, nor can you analyse whether someone has 'dilated time' within their dream, because it is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

Time is ONLY ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE and ENTIRELY RELATIVE. There is nothing else to it, there is no objectivity that can ever be known. That is actuality.

1. I'm not arguing with you on your cynicism, solely because you can only disbelieve or believe with the inexperience. You cannot say for certain yes or no without stupidity, because it is not certain and can never be unless you end up experiencing. You can only truthfully say you don't know.

2. Time is relative, they can't prove shit all. No-one can. I don't give a fuck what some stupid scientist thinks he has proven, when time is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

3. Difficulty is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. Some people find it hard to remember where they left their keys, some people don't. What you are saying is not fact, at the most it is a stupid belief or disbelief. Time dilation cannot be measured, because it is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

4. Not all lucid dreams have greater clarity in comparison to normal dreams, there are hundreds on this website that can attest to that. A lucid dreamer's assessment of time is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. Science can only determine possibility in this regard, and 'supporting evidence' at best, is completely stupid because and individual's assessment is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

5. I don't know. I'm not stupid enough to say it's bullshit because since time and experience is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, then it is impossible to know without the personal experience.

You're right, I'm talking to a wall. You're an imbecile or a troll, I'm not going to continue this *discussion* since you are acting or are actually so ignorant.

You can keep stating your theory in as many different ways as you want.
It doesn't lend it any more credibility. Even using CAPS won't change that.

Perception of time can be subjective.
Time itself is measured in discrete quantified common units. Time itself is simply not subjective.

You may not "give a fuck about what some stupid scientist thinks he's proven," but most rational individuals will accept the credibility of conclusions drawn for laboratory based experiments.

Certainly, most will accept the same over the ramblings of a seething apoplectic poster who brands another an "imbecile" a "troll" or "ignorant" simply because they do not agree.

Originally Posted by moonshine

1) We get 2 hours of REM Sleep, in total, in any one night. Time Dilation aside, anyone claiming to have had 8 hours of dream in any one night is Bullshitting.

Dreaming is NOT limited to the REM phase. That's just an outdated myth. You dream from the moment you fall asleep to the moment you wake.

Cusp: I always noticed that, actually. I always read you can only dream while in REM. But almost every time I fall asleep in school, I dream. That explains it.

I've already though about what time is and I've come with the conclusion that this is all about how about how fast you're able to register informations. I noticed that when I was Drunk or High (yeah I WAS smoking drugs).

When I was Drunk time was passing WAAAAAAY faster than my normal being. That's probably why people forget about their night if they are too much drunk, their brains are off the track and no more informations are able to be stored. But when I was high a minute seemed to be like 10, my brain work at very high speed these time. The only example which come to my mind is when I was listening music, I was closing my eyes and letting the music "control" my mind and a single song could last forever in my mind. And while High I've noticed a thing that really amazed me, I could analyze each images that my eyes were taking, it was like a First person shooter which has a very low Frame Rate.

Maybe I'm crazy.

Originally Posted by moonshine

You may not "give a fuck about what some stupid scientist thinks he's proven," but most rational individuals will accept the credibility of conclusions drawn for laboratory based experiments.

How could one even experiment with the natural force of time in a laboratory?

EDIT: Oops, nevermind.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

That was a bit aggressive, ClouD...

Sure, you can't actually measure "how long a second feels like" by itself and get a meaningful result, all you are doing is defining some subjective experience of time passing as "one second". But you can define one second in subjective time, then measure again and see if it changes under some conditions. This won't be able to prove that time dilation is impossible, but it will show if it is possible.

I agree, I am actually that pissed off at the stupidity though.
The complete ignorance and pseudo knowledge of something not possibly certain.

I'm not bothering any more, anyone with any intelligence wouldn't be so retarded. I wouldn't have minded a discussion on the definition of time dilation or the possibility of objectivity in some regard to actually include subjectivity, but the insulting and arrogant way he has continued gives way to T3H RAEG.

So that's it, I'm out, and conclude that time dilation seems silly, dilation of time would rely only on subjective interpretation of the individual within the dream so 'dilation' (subjectively) is constantly flux. And the way moonshine has defined time dilation is entirely fallacious, time dilation cannot be objective, two =/= one.

Ok, ClouD, fair enough .

moonshine: is there any difference between events outside the brain occurring at 1/2x speed, and events inside the brain occurring at 2x speed? Would either qualify as practically useful "time dilation"?

Originally Posted by moonshine

The theory of relativity does not apply to an immobile earthbound object.

No need for a nobel prize. A basic understanding of popular science lets me know that much.

Gravitational Time Dilation

Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity predicted that time does not flow at a fixed rate: moving clocks appear to tick more slowly relative to their stationary counterparts. But this effect only becomes really significant at very high velocities that app roach the speed of light.

When "generalized" to include gravitation, the equations of relativity predict that gravity, or the curvature of spacetime by matter, not only stretches or shrinks distances (depending on their direction with respect to the gravitational field) but also w ill appear to slow down or "dilate" the flow of time.

In most circumstances in the universe, such time dilation is miniscule, but it can become very significant when spacetime is curved by a massive object such as a black hole. For example, an observer far from a black hole would observe time passing extremely slowly for an astronaut falling through the hole's boundary. In fact, the distant observer would never see the hapless victim actually fall in. His or her time, as measured by the observer, would appear to stand still. The slowing of time near a very simple black hole has been simulated on supercomputers at NCSA and visualized in a computer-generated animation.

So tell me moonshine, why are you so stubbornly spreading misinformation? Time dilation is a well known fact, what's next, you're going to claim the earth is actually flat?