Thread: "Schoolchildren "Bombarded" With Homosexual References - Melanie Phillips

Originally Posted by Snowboy

2) Homosexuality can be learned, but hair color isn't, so I'm just going to wait for a better argument.

There has been absolutely no evidence presented that shows homosexuality is a learned behavior. Nor is heterosexuality. This baseless assertion can be proven to be unreliable simply by looking at the upbringing of most gay people. Normal house, normal heterosexual values taught. Yet they turn out gay. You could try to "teach" me to be gay all you like. But it won't change me.

3) There are some humans that aren't sexually attracted to anything.

So in the name of birth rate, we should discourage homosexuality, but encourage people to be of no sexuality? What the holy fuck??

Originally Posted by Snowboy

Wait, are you calling me gay, or are you saying that I'm the problem?

He's stating the latter.

Oh, you have 1,000 posts now as well. Congratulations! ^^

Originally Posted by Snowboy

EDIT: Also, because of the growing awareness of homosexuality and being taught about it, what's to stop little children from thinking that is how everything is supposed to work and going along with it? That just adds some slight support to how it can spread.

They won't go along with it because at the end of the day, they're attracted to what they are born being attracted to. You can teach them that being gay is the norm. But they'll still be hetero. Flipping it around the other way proves my point. Q.E.D.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

1) OK, maybe not when you are older and you have already developed your sexual orientation, but maybe if you are younger you can be influenced in this way. The younger population is still figuring out their sexual orientation, so that would be the time to strike.

2) Homosexuality can be learned, but hair color isn't, so I'm just going to wait for a better argument.

3) There are some humans that aren't sexually attracted to anything. And yes, that is found in plants.

4) Refer to #2.

1) Time to strike? Time to strike what? Is there some huge gay weapon that's going to turn the younger population gay? And by the time there is any peer pressure on a young generation (say teens like myself) to become gay, I'm sure that they will have already felt some attraction to whichever sex they like already. The first boy I remember liking was when I was four, and continued until now. Maybe for gay people it takes longer, but highly doubt that being gay will ever become "cool" or people will follow just because of that.

2) Homosexuality is part of who that person is, they are born that way, part of their soul, their spirit WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT. Same as haircolour. I also don't recall seeing any gay classes going around.

3) So you would rather have people that are not attracted to anything rather than people attracted to the same sex? By the way, that contributes to your decline in birth rate arguement. There are still no babies going 'round.

4) Ahem, refer to #2

Originally Posted by Snowboy

What, so you're saying homosexuality can't be learned? Explain.

EDIT: Also, because of the growing awareness of homosexuality and being taught about it, what's to stop little children from thinking that is how everything is supposed to work and going along with it? That just adds some slight support to how it can spread.

I figured out my sexuality when I was in the 8th grade, which was around the age of 14.

Originally Posted by no-Name

and how terrible would that be? how AWFUL would it be to have knowledge that gays exist and are fine and exactly the same as everyone else (except they like sucking dicks) and there's nothing "wrong" with being gay. that would just be terrible.

That's not what I meant. I was trying to say that they may be influenced by people saying it's OK, they will assume it's how sexuality works, they will try it, and they become gay. Plus, I am talking about smaller children being influenced, not older people.

Originally Posted by Mario92

There has been absolutely no evidence presented that shows homosexuality is a learned behavior.

So in the name of birth rate, we should discourage homosexuality, but encourage people to be of no sexuality? What the holy fuck??

1) Nor is there any evidence it can't be learned.

2) OK, I regret posting that part now, but you should still understand what I mean.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I figured out my sexuality when I was in the 8th grade, which was around the age of 14.

OK, let me add some more to what I said. Smaller children can be influenced much more easily than 14 year olds.

I don't think you can learn to be in love with someone.

Originally Posted by Raspberry

1) Time to strike? Time to strike what? Is there some huge gay weapon that's going to turn the younger population gay? And by the time there is any peer pressure on a young generation (say teens like myself) to become gay, I'm sure that they will have already felt some attraction to whichever sex they like already.

2) Homosexuality is part of who that person is, they are born that way, part of their soul, their spirit WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT. Same as haircolour. I also don't recall seeing any gay classes going around.

3) So you would rather have people that are not attracted to anything rather than people attracted to the same sex? By the way, that contributes to your decline in birth rate arguement. There are still no babies going 'round.)

1) I meant that then would be the best opportunity to influence their sexual orientation.

2) Again, there is no evidence that you have it from birth.

3) I regret typing that part now, but you should understand what I meant.

Some people like cupcakes better. I for one, care less for them.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

1) Nor is there any evidence it can't be learned.

Even if this were true, the burden of proof still rests upon your shoulders. To validate the claims you've been making, you must show that:
1. It is a behavior that can be actively taught and learned
2. It can override existing sexual orientation
3. It can be taught and "spread" through peer pressure.
4. It can be taught and learned by a significant number of people in a relatively short period of time.
5. All sexual orientation is purely a learned behavior, and that people learn to be straight, gay, bi, or otherwise.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

OK, let me add some more to what I said. Smaller children can be influenced much more easily than 14 year olds.

Cool, please reply to my post on the other page.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

1) I meant that then would be the best opportunity to influence their sexual orientation.

But at this time I doubt they will be concerned as whether it is cool or not. Plus, it will be based solely on attraction and not pleasing other people. Life is simple when you are a child. I also highly doubt you'll have an adult stalker who's sole purpose in life is to turn a 5 year old gay.

2) Again, there is no evidence that you have it from birth.

So are you saying that you were not straight at birth? If what you mean is people grow to become gay, then how come people can become gay when brought up by straight parents? Your sexuality is not something you can flick on and off like you argue.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

Also, a point I missed: gays adopting children. I don't think so. As I said earlier, I think that gay behavior shouldn't be promoted, and this will obviously promote it on an indirect level, as the children will learn it from them, and continue many problems to come. I just disagree with any moves to promote homosexuality, but I am OK with people trying to stop discrimination and give them equal rights (yes, call me a hypocrite for the adoption thing, but I still stand by it).

When associating with gay people do you find yourself becoming gayer?

For those that missed it

Originally Posted by ♥Mark

gayer?

BUT SNOWBOY IF ASEXUALITY IS ENCOURAGED THEN IT WILL BECOME THE NEW COOL THING AND THERE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH PEOPLE REPRODUCING AND HUMANS WILL CEASE TO EXIST as everything must.

we will agree to be artificially inseminated for the sake of humanitity

I will not be artificially inseminated

Originally Posted by ♥Mark

When associating with gay people do you find yourself becoming gayer?

I don't associate myself with gay people. I don't even know any gay people that have admitted that they are gay!

And it is possible to get influence from friends and become gay.

Also, I already said that I made a mistake with saying that gay people should be encouraged to go asexual. Please stop trying to point that out.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

we will agree to be artificially inseminated for the sake of humanitity

So, are you admitting that you and everybody else arguing against me is gay? That explains a lot! Thanks for the tip!

Originally Posted by Snowboy

I don't associate myself with gay people. I don't even know any gay people that have admitted that they are gay!

Oh, this certainly explains a lot. Please go die in a fire.

And it is possible to get influence from friends and become gay.

What a ridiculous claim. Kindly prove it. Here is my last post explaining what you must prove for your argument to have any validity whatsoever. Until then, we'll go with the argument that has the best support: sexuality is something that cannot be changed as easily as you make it out to be. Not even close. There are factors at work (physical, genetic, etc) that are beyond the control of the individual, and begin either at birth or at a very young age. This is the best supported position to date, and it is the one that shall be used in all arguments until it can be disproved and replaced with a new argument, or modified to take into account new evidence.

Oh, and I should tack on a requirement:
6. the conversion from straight to gay is absolute, and cannot be reversed (e.g. by hanging around straight people).

Of course, even if you can prove it, you've got the issue of the moral justification of telling other people what they can and can't do, especially since said activity is quite frankly none of your goddamned business. How would you like it if I came up to you, told you to be gay "or else," and told you if you didn't like it, just hang around some other gay people for a week until you, too, become gay? The golden rule, mate. Employ it.


I should point out that I have several gay friends, and I converse with them on a regular basis. I am still straight. I am not any less straight than I was the day I met them. And I am not alone.
Myth: busted.

Originally Posted by Snowboy

So, are you admitting that you and everybody else arguing against me is gay? That explains a lot! Thanks for the tip!

Originally Posted by Mario92

Oh, this certainly explains a lot. Please go die in a fire.

What a ridiculous claim. Kindly prove it.

Of course, even if you can prove it, you've got the issue of the moral justification of telling other people what they can and can't do, especially since said activity is quite frankly none of your goddamned business. How would you like it if I came up to you, told you to be gay "or else," and told you if you didn't like it, just hang around some other gay people for a week until you, too, become gay? The golden rule, mate. Employ it.

1) Fuck you.

2) I would, but I would have a very hard time doing so. It would take way too long.

3) You have a point there...

4)

Originally Posted by Snowboy

1) Fuck you.

2) I would, but I would have a very hard time doing so. It would take way too long.

1. Interesting word choice.

2. So ultimately, your position has been entirely undermined. It is a baseless, evidence-free farce of an argument. Yet you cling to it. Like a homophobic bastard.

My my, can't believe someone actually believes hanging around gay people makes you gay... snowboy, please explain this point you missed by Rasp, because according to you, then gay people shouldn't exist in the first place.

Originally Posted by Raspberry

So are you saying that you were not straight at birth? If what you mean is people grow to become gay, then how come people can become gay when brought up by straight parents? Your sexuality is not something you can flick on and off like you argue.

Fuck this. This will only go in circles. I'm out of this thread.