Rip 'Em Off
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Leave the poor saps alone
What someone deserves is not necessarily related to what is ethical. What someone deserves is arbitrary. But the idea that people deserves to be ripped off for being stupid is pretty strange. Stupid people deserve better school systems. Rich douchebags who ripped people off in order to get rich might deserve to be ripped off, to get a taste of their own medicine. The idea of deserving anything can be somewhat misleading, it's highly subjective. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
This is quite a judgmental, unforgiving thread. We've all made mistakes. I'm sure we've all bought into stuff that turned out to bite us in the ass. Does that make us stupid or worthless? I just earlier admitted on this thread that I used to believe EFT, would you guys like to say DIRECTLY TO ME that I'm an unintelligent sucker who deserves to be unethically treated? |
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DILDs: A Lot
Dear DeeryTheDeer, |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
Dear DeerytheDear, |
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'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
Is it ethical to rip off newagers? Shouldn't the question really be, is it ethical to rip anyone off? Um, nope! |
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Last edited by juroara; 02-24-2011 at 07:06 PM.
So the person's behavior has nothing to do with it. The question here is okay to rip off a class of people that hat make themselves especially susceptible to it. |
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Last edited by PhilosopherStoned; 02-24-2011 at 08:02 PM.
Previously PhilosopherStoned
Because if you understood my post, you would understand that even suffering from depression can make you susceptible to new age scandals. Does that make it okay? No. Some people here think what makes you susceptible to a new age scandal is only belief. That's not true. It doesn't matter if a person believes in angels, that doesn't mean they believe Miss Mary Jane can talk to angels and want to pay her $500 for a personal session. |
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The reason I believe people who fork over their money to idiotic philosophies or ideologies without any shred of evidence deserve to be ripped off is because experience can often times, be the best teacher. I say that because I consider myself like you in a lot of respects based on what you stated in the above quote. I believed in things and got ripped off. Be it financially or in some other way. Did I learn? Hell yes. Similar to how children learn not to touch hot stoves.. experience. From my standpoint.. the quicker you're "burned" by something, the sooner you wise up. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
Well maybe if you rip someone off for just $100 or whatever it doesn't hurt them much but might teach them a lesson. So you're saving them before someone |
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Wouldn't it be much better to talk to them about how all this stuff is a bunch of nonsense? |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
I'm sure you know that it is sometimes near impossible, if not impossible to talk someone out of their beliefs. Sometimes the only way is to teach them through repercussion. I think it's fairly well understood that people learn better if they make mistakes. |
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The point is that certain beliefs are structured so as to be very difficult to be talked out of. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
It is possible to teach them a lesson without ripping them off though. Con artists are con artists, taking advantage of the weak minded is always sick and fucked up in my opinion. It's just like the Church. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
How would you go about doing that though? |
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Give them space and let them make an ass of themself enough times. Also ask them questions, make them think about what it is they believe, if it's founded on nonsense you'll eventually get to that nonsense and you can tell them how it is. This won't work for everyone but most people it wouldn't work for would keep believing in stuff even if they got scammed. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
The idea that it's okay to rip them off because they are stupid seems to me like enlightened despotism. |
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I'll try this when I get a chance. You may be right but I'm not sure. |
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Juroara brings up a good point, and depression is also what I mentioned. I was in a desperately vulnerable mental situation (complete with thoughts of suicide). I still don't think it's fair to just say I was being stupid or made a stupid decision. People who sit at their perches thinking they're always so superior to everyone else, pointing and laughing at the "common folk" are always quick to judge and condemn. They have no idea what I actually went through. It may even say more about them than me, and what they've supposedly done with their life up to this point that gives them the right to posture about their intellect. |
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In what way is forking over money for new age bullshit not being stupid or making a stupid decision? We all make stupid decisions and behave stupidly at times. Why is this not an instance of that? |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
She's saying it wasn't stupid because it was out of desperation (because of depression). |
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Yes. But they seldom learn because society is kinder to mainstream religions. Because of that, it's actually encouraged by society to continue down ones path of religious idiocy. People learn faster when they're burned by "unorthodox" belief systems because there will be a Christian or a Jew or someone else belonging to a mainstream religion to tell that person "That's what they get for not subscribing to OUR belief systems." |
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Last edited by Jeff777; 03-04-2011 at 10:41 PM.
I'm surprised no one has made reference to the idea that these people may resent being told that they have been ripped off and may deny that it is true. People are willing to spend money on all sorts of things that you and I may consider bunk. I think magnetic bracelets were mentioned here, but there are plenty of other examples. Some of us may even spend money on some of those kind of things. The comfort that people get from these things can be very real to them and is often times intimately tied to the money that they spend, since after all we all know that nothing good comes free. |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 03-05-2011 at 02:19 AM.
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I'd like to take issue with your Darwin reference. Because that is exactly the attitude that people who do these things take. "They're weaker than me, therefore I deserve their money". They are the people who disgrace Darwin's legacy. |
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