Thread: why are we so obsessed with proving other people wrong and making ourselves look good?

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

It has nothing to do with what they look like but the actions they commit. I have nothing against homosexuals. I'm not offended by what they do or how they choose to live their lives. The mere explanation of why some people are homophobic does not make the explainer a homophobe. So you "see" me incorrectly which doesn't really surprise me.

Lol I see you projected your own feelings in to what I said. I never said you were a homophobe, at all.

I said I see you actually believe what you are saying; that homophobes have an aesthetic repulsion to homosexuals.
The point is, homophobes are mostly likely never going to see homosexuals doing anything they find disgusting. Homophobes are scared and sometimes they hate homosexuals. Aesthetics doesn't come in to the equation, it's just ignorance.

homophobes usually hate "femininity" or "weakness" in men, and that happens when they can't accept their fragile, sweet and submissive nature so they lock it in, and when some feminine guy is in front of them it makes them remember so they have to make the feminine guy disappear or treat him like shit so that their femininity seems less important to them.

Answering the creator of this thread , people tend to bring others down because it's easier to eliminate threats than to trust in other people and look for solutions, being able to show someone wrong actually gives you more security in being able to control other threats that may come your way.

Originally Posted by mowglycdb

homophobes usually hate "femininity" or "weakness" in men, and that happens when they can't accept their fragile, sweet and submissive nature so they lock it in, and when some feminine guy is in front of them it makes them remember so they have to make the feminine guy disappear or treat him like shit so that their femininity seems less important to them.

So women can't be homosexuals and people can't have homophobic beliefs about lesbians?

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

So women can't be homosexuals and people can't have homophobic beliefs about lesbians?

forgot to point out this is in mens case, though your question is silly.

Originally Posted by mowglycdb

homophobes usually hate "femininity" or "weakness" in men, and that happens when they can't accept their fragile, sweet and submissive nature so they lock it in, and when some feminine guy is in front of them it makes them remember so they have to make the feminine guy disappear or treat him like shit so that their femininity seems less important to them.

To have a belated piggyback, some studies says raging homophobes be denying their desire for penis. Also, Ted Haggard.
Sorry, off-topic, I agree with the ego suggestion of saltyseedog as well and I feel dumb for not thinking of that in my first post.

SEXY EDIT:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

You didn't disprove anything. You just said it was ignorance. Well, how do you know that?

Concerning my comments: Homosexuality is involves, in some capacity, sexual acts that involve two from the same sex. People find these actions "disgusting" whether its sodomy, fellatio, or cunnilingus. By saying that these actions are "disgusting" they are making an aesthetic judgment, a judgment concerning beauty, upon the act of homosexuality.

I personally think that women of African descent are not attractive (can't wait for a ststorm of idiocy with regards to this opinion. For clarification it's the general features of Africans that I simply don't think are attractive. It's like saying I don't think blondes are cute or that someone's chin is too defined for my liking. If you can't understand this without a kneejerk "RAAAAACISTTTTT!!!!111" reaction, you're a fking idiot). Just my opinion. Does this make me a racist?
I don't feel good in my pants when I see spunky gay man sex. Does this make me a homophobe?
Your argument is weak. Homophobia is deeply rooted as a psychological defense mechanism or as the result of cultural prejudices.
Not all disgusting things have to do with aesthetics. Disgusting can also carry other connotations, such as moral, ethical, etc., as well. For example, Sarah Palin is disgusting because she is a Tea Party Republican (WOAAAAHHHH now everyone knows how I feel about them!). Mrs. Palin may be quite cute (I don't think so personally, but pretend that she's as lovely as Tina Fey makes her out to be), but she's still disgusting because she is a Tea Party Republican.
The moral disgust sort of thing is what most religious homophobes cite as their reason why being gay is bad.

Originally Posted by kookyinc

I personally think that women of African descent are not attractive (can't wait for a ststorm of idiocy with regards to this opinion. For clarification it's the general features of Africans that I simply don't think are attractive. It's like saying I don't think blondes are cute or that someone's chin is too defined for my liking. If you can't understand this without a kneejerk "RAAAAACISTTTTT!!!!111" reaction, you're a fking idiot). Just my opinion. Does this make me a racist?

If you are being serious then no it doesn't make you a racist. You just have a set of certain aesthetics.

Originally Posted by kookyinc

I don't feel good in my pants when I see spunky gay man sex. Does this make me a homophobe?

Again, if you are being serious, no.

Originally Posted by kookyinc

Your argument is weak. Homophobia is deeply rooted as a psychological defense mechanism or as the result of cultural prejudices.

What is it defending us from? How did it develop as a cultural prejudice? What caused it?

Originally Posted by kookyinc

Not all disgusting things have to do with aesthetics. Disgusting can also carry other connotations, such as moral, ethical, etc., as well.

No it's just people improperly utilizing the definition of morality that call it disgusting. Morality is about what is good and bad. Connotating good with beautiful is a false leap. What is beautiful and what is disgusting rests solely in the world of aesthetics

Originally Posted by kookyinc

For example, Sarah Palin is disgusting because she is a Tea Party Republican (WOAAAAHHHH now everyone knows how I feel about them!). Mrs. Palin may be quite cute (I don't think so personally, but pretend that she's as lovely as Tina Fey makes her out to be), but she's still disgusting because she is a Tea Party Republican.
The moral disgust sort of thing is what most religious homophobes cite as their reason why being gay is bad.

Well you're doing what you seem to be implying religious homophobes do which is equating the good, i.e. your theories of politics, with the beautiful, i.e. your anti-Tea-Party sentiments. You are confusing the two schools of philosophy probably because you have no background in them.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

What is it defending us from? How did it develop as a cultural prejudice? What caused it?

If it's a psychological defense mechanism, it is, as I stated, protecting someone from knowing that he wants to engage in spunky man sex. The cultural prejudices come from nasty things like not understanding people who are different or from prejudiced works like the Bible.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

No it's just people improperly utilizing the definition of morality that call it disgusting. Morality is about what is good and bad. Connotating good with beautiful is a false leap. What is beautiful and what is disgusting rests solely in the world of aesthetics

But the word disgusting does not just relate to beauty. At most, it's other people misusing a word.

Originally Posted by kookyinc

If it's a psychological defense mechanism, it is, as I stated, protecting someone from knowing that he wants to engage in spunky man sex.

So you think that homophobic people are really just homosexuals in denial?

Originally Posted by kookyinc

The cultural prejudices come from nasty things like not understanding people who are different or from prejudiced works like the Bible.

But why would they follow the bible? Why don't they make an effort to "understand people who are different?" The point of these questions is to get at the root of the issue which I think is based upon aesthetic reasons.

Originally Posted by kookyinc

But the word disgusting does not just relate to beauty. At most, it's other people misusing a word.

Yes disgusting can actually mean physically sickening. It is possible for people to be physically sick concerning homosexuality, i.e. having their "stomach turn." If you would like to use a better word that pertains to aesthetic values then I won't mind using that one. Maybe grotesque?

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

So you think that homophobic people are really just homosexuals in denial?

Not all, just some, hence my use of the conjunction "or" or the qualifier, "if."

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

But why would they follow the bible? Why don't they make an effort to "understand people who are different?" The point of these questions is to get at the root of the issue which I think is based upon aesthetic reasons.

They may follow the Bible because they think it's the word of the perfect creator of the universe. They may have been indoctrinated at a young age. They may have been taught, unconsciously and subtly, that asking questions like, "Is homosexuality really bad?" or "Why do I believe this?" is a sin because, after all, who are any of us to question God himself?

It's not just the Bible, many cultures follow the whole masochistic "pleasure is bad" philosophy and the strange superstition that sex is magical. Since gay sex does not allow for procreation, and because it is a minority activity, it must be immoral because it's a misuse of one's special places. And because not many people are doing it (comparatively). People fear the unknown.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Yes disgusting can actually mean physically sickening. It is possible for people to be physically sick concerning homosexuality, i.e. having their "stomach turn." If you would like to use a better word that pertains to aesthetic values then I won't mind using that one. Maybe grotesque?

My argument is that people calling gay sex "disgusting" is not simply an aesthetic argument. Sure, you can use the word "grotesque," but it won't change my argument. I'll still posit that no matter what word you use, at the root of it all, it's not whether homosexuality is found to be attractive or not, it's about deeper problems and prejudices.

Originally Posted by tommo

Lol I see you projected your own feelings in to what I said. I never said you were a homophobe, at all.

I said I see you actually believe what you are saying; that homophobes have an aesthetic repulsion to homosexuals.
The point is, homophobes are mostly likely never going to see homosexuals doing anything they find disgusting. Homophobes are scared and sometimes they hate homosexuals. Aesthetics doesn't come in to the equation, it's just ignorance.

Ignorance of what exactly? You make this claim yet give no proof to back it up. This is a really annoying trait you seem to possess.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Ignorance of what exactly? You make this claim yet give no proof to back it up. This is a really annoying trait you seem to possess.

Lol. I like how you back up everything you say /sarcasm.

I disproved your idea and postulated my theory. That was all I wanted to do.

Originally Posted by tommo

Lol. I like how you back up everything you say /sarcasm.

I disproved your idea and postulated my theory. That was all I wanted to do.

You didn't disprove anything. You just said it was ignorance. Well, how do you know that?

Concerning my comments: Homosexuality is involves, in some capacity, sexual acts that involve two from the same sex. People find these actions "disgusting" whether its sodomy, fellatio, or cunnilingus. By saying that these actions are "disgusting" they are making an aesthetic judgment, a judgment concerning beauty, upon the act of homosexuality.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

You didn't disprove anything. You just said it was ignorance. Well, how do you know that?

Concerning my comments: Homosexuality is involves, in some capacity, sexual acts that involve two from the same sex. People find these actions "disgusting" whether its sodomy, fellatio, or cunnilingus. By saying that these actions are "disgusting" they are making an aesthetic judgment, a judgment concerning beauty, upon the act of homosexuality.

BOW BOW! Wrong.
I already showed you were wrong.
And your first sentence just proved you do not read posts. Just blabber whatever you believe without even thinking about other people's views.

If you do not find something pleasing aesthetically, you don't have anything to do with it. You don't have to sit there and watch two people of the same sex engage in sexual acts.

BTW phobia means "fear of". Not "disgust of".

I wish Phil were still here to see that clever use of language to win an argument.

Originally Posted by tommo

BOW BOW! Wrong.
I already showed you were wrong.
And your first sentence just proved you do not read posts. Just blabber whatever you believe without even thinking about other people's views.

If you do not find something pleasing aesthetically, you don't have anything to do with it. You don't have to sit there and watch two people of the same sex engage in sexual acts.

BTW phobia means "fear of". Not "disgust of".

I wish Phil were still here to see that clever use of language to win an argument.

Ok just saying "I proved it" doesn't mean you actually proved it. You keep saying it's ignorance yet give no examples of why this is true. Stop being an ignoramus.

Having a fear, fear being defined as a negative emotion cause by a perceived threat, does not exclude aesthetic inclinations. Being fearful of homosexuals can include aesthetic ideals for people wish to see beauty over ugliness. If homosexual acts are "disgusting" in their beliefs of what is beauty, then obviously they perceive homosexuals, who oddly enough commit homosexual acts, as a perceived threat to the beauty of their world thereby causing the negative emotion labeled "fear."

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Ok just saying "I proved it" doesn't mean you actually proved it. You keep saying it's ignorance yet give no examples of why this is true. Stop being an ignoramus.

Having a fear, fear being defined as a negative emotion cause by a perceived threat, does not exclude aesthetic inclinations. Being fearful of homosexuals can include aesthetic ideals for people wish to see beauty over ugliness. If homosexual acts are "disgusting" in their beliefs of what is beauty, then obviously they perceive homosexuals, who oddly enough commit homosexual acts, as a perceived threat to the beauty of their world thereby causing the negative emotion labeled "fear."

Again, I can see you honestly believe that.
I really, really do not know how you can convince yourself that your reasoning is logical.

I don't like the look of mulloscs, which makes me fear them. Cool bro.

Even though I did prove my point....
Just think of how the first person would feel when they met someone with a different skin colour. Scared.
Because they would be different to them.

Likewise one would be scared of fire until one understands it. It is true of almost everything, if not everything.
I didn't think that needed much explaining.