Thread: Vision Quest

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It is what it is. If I'm a caffeine addict, I'm okay with that so long as I'm a functioning addict. That gets on your nerves but I can't help that. It is a vicious cycle but I don't know of any other solutions unless you'd like to pay for my sleep study... and perhaps take it for me
I'm not brushing you off, I just don't see any other way.

My main problem with taking illegal drugs is simply acquiring them, which (as I've said) is why I was so interested in the Mimosa. It grows wild in a few places around here. I also don't want to be in the woods alone for my first trip.
As for my quest just being an extended nature walk... sometimes being alone with your thoughts and dreams is enough. Life is so busy, hectic and filled with so many distractions that I welcome the solitude.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

It grows wild in a few places around here.

The mimosa that you're intersted in is mimosa hostilis. This is a sub-tropical plant and does not grow in West Virginia. The plant growing in West Virginia is probably Albizia julibrissin Durazz. It does not contain DMT which, as I mentioned previously, probably wouldn't do to much good right now. On the whole the main purpose of hallucinigens is to have a good time looking at a pretty light show and then decide that what you thought was right anyway because you had this awesome "spiritual" experience because of this "medicine" that you took that just confirmed what you thought you knew anyways. Once there's a solid intellectual base in place with which to interpret the visions, then they might become (incredibly) useful. On the whole though, they're just another drug that happens to trigger the brain chemistry associated (but not synonymous) with legitimate spiritual experiences.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

:shrug:

It is what it is. If I'm a caffeine addict, I'm okay with that so long as I'm a functioning addict.

You're the one complaining about anxiety. But whatever, enjoy your life.

Do me a favor Zhaylin and try not to read too much into what fuckheads say that approach issues with their own unwarranted bias.

PhilosopherStoned will belittle anything slightly related to hippy culture and act like there's nothing substantial related to any of it. And Cmind is just an asshole sittin atop a tower of shit he swears is pure ivory.

Caffeine is related to anxiety disorder, especially if you already have issues with anxiety. Caffeine can exacerbate these issues. It may be helpful to you to try a different remedy other than just quitting coffee cold turkey. There are many different kinds of energy supplements which don't have the same connection to anxiety that caffeine does.

DMT is a wonderful drug, but not for whatever steam PhilosopherStoned spewed out. It has nothing to do with realizing anything, or confirming what you thought you knew. Knowledge has nothing to do with DMT. LSD and Mushrooms can have an effect I would almost give philosopherstoned the benefit of the doubt of just misjudging, probably because of personal emotional wounds or bad experiences with certain people that don't know proper usage of the drugs. DMT has no such possibility of doing anything remotely close to what he was talking about, though. DMT destroys your previously held conceptions about reality, it does not confirm them. It teaches you the meaning of the word ineffable. It shakes you loose of presumption. It reveals what is, not what you want to be.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

And Cmind is just an asshole sittin atop a tower of shit he swears is pure ivory.

Oooo it hurts so bad. It would be nice if you could point out an actual thing I said that you disagree with or find distasteful. Like, using quotes.

As for the other stuff you said, I agree. I like how you put it describing DMT (and I think the other classical psychs are ultimately very similar). Another way I would describe it is that it removes social constructs and behavioural norms that have become so ingrained that we mistake them for reality. It simply returns the mind to a childlike state that recognizes real reality and temporarily erases a lifetime of conditioning.

That being said, psychs can be taken too far where you actually 'overshoot' reality and start to make a new one. But that only happens with numerous repeated trips.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

PhilosopherStoned will belittle anything slightly related to hippy culture and act like there's nothing substantial related to any of it..

This is actually an ad hominem attack. There are so few of them that I thought I'd point it out. The reason it's ad hominem is because you tried to say I was wrong based on some personality trait that I have rather than actually addressing my argument.

It's also wrong.

I love hippy music in case you haven't noticed. What I don't like is that hippies have no respect and piss all over everything as is evidenced by their constant butchering of science, Taoism and Buddhism.
I love hippy drugs. DMT is awesome. It doesn't contain an answer to spiritual questions though. I can tell you straight up it doesn't show you how anything "really" is, it's just the same underlaying reality interpreted through different mechanisms. That's all.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

I can tell you straight up it doesn't show you how anything "really" is, it's just the same underlaying reality interpreted through different mechanisms. That's all.

For my part, I don't think I disagree with you. We do know that a person's learned biases can shape their perceptions of the world, literally and figuratively. All I'm saying is that a drug like DMT can make a person see things in a different and potentially helpful way, just as getting in a car crash can make a person see things differently.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

This is actually an ad hominem attack. There are so few of them that I thought I'd point it out. The reason it's ad hominem is because you tried to say I was wrong based on some personality trait that I have rather than actually addressing my argument.

It's also wrong.

I love hippy music in case you haven't noticed. What I don't like is that hippies have no respect and piss all over everything as is evidenced by their constant butchering of science, Taoism and Buddhism.
I love hippy drugs. DMT is awesome. It doesn't contain an answer to spiritual questions though. I can tell you straight up it doesn't show you how anything "really" is, it's just the same underlaying reality interpreted through different mechanisms. That's all.

I don't believe you've ever done it, or it's been so long you've forgotten it, because your description is really off-base.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

I don't believe you've ever done it, or it's been so long you've forgotten it, because your description is really off-base.

I've done it multiple times. Recently too. I can do it anytime I want because I live on Maui. Everything grows here. I know where I can go pick from a Banisteriopsis vine and I know where the Psychotria grows right next to it And I could get permission to pick it. Also, My mom owns a whole sale nursury which I grew up living/working on; my stepdad was a landscaper that gave me a dime for every plant I could ID on road trips; and my real dad is a landscaper/permaculturalist. So, unlike most dumb hippies (such as yourself) I actually know plants. Fuck, I even got training (on the North American east coast) as an herbalist. Know what plantain (a.k.a. "Whiteman's Footsteps") does? Quick, go check google. It's an antispetic and eating the seeds makes you smell bad to mosquitos.

So I know all about DMT from experience.

What I question is your spiritual maturity given the fact that you apparently believe that DMT shows you some "underlaying"reality".

@cmind. The car crash is a good analogy. Since Zhaylin is already seeing things in a different way, I don't think that she needs a car crash. If she was still a slave to biblical literalism, I might agree with you. She's not so she should take some time to settle into her new groove and then play around with that stuff if she wants to. It's really just a game though. Anything that can be done with drugs can be done better without them.