Stop Making Sex Out To Be Bad/Dirty/Gross/Special/Important/Criminal/Unnacceptable/Unsociable

[Jesus of Suburbia]

/Unthinkable/Degrading/Sinful/18+/Taboo/Censorworthy k?

[HeavySleeper]

Okay, I'll get right on that. (Hoho, unintended pun!)

[Jesus of Suburbia]

Okay, I'll get right on that. (Hoho, unintended pun!) Thanks <3

[juroara]

I agree with everything but special and important. Sex is how the human being is created - its the beginning of you and me. Thats pretty damn special and important.

[Jesus of Suburbia]

Didn't mean in practice, meant in principle.

[melanieb]

Have you noticed that people are still having sex?

[Darkmatters]

.. but then we wouldn't be human anymore!! Without all our weird hangups about sex things would get pretty boring.

[ThePreserver]

A few of those things would depend on what type of sex each person is into. To many people, specific fetishes are "gross" and they'll treat them as gross. Same thing with "degrading" and many others.

[Jookia]

/Unthinkable/Degrading/Sinful/18+/Taboo/Censorworthy wat

[snoop]

Well, considering you are able to reproduce far before the age of 18, not to mention are about 5 times as horny, I don't see why it's 18+ either. It might not be smart or responsible, but saying that it's not right for anyone below the age of 18 to have sex or for it to be illegal before that age is pretty arbitrary.

[khh]

Well, considering you are able to reproduce far before the age of 18, not to mention are about 5 times as horny, I don't see why it's 18+ either. It might not be smart or responsible, but saying that it's not right for anyone below the age of 18 to have sex or for it to be illegal before that age is pretty arbitrary. And isn't the same everywhere. In Norway the legal age is 16, in Sweeden it's 15, and so it varies all over the world. Also, in sex ed. in my school they didn't try to discourage people under 16 from having sex, they just said that both people involved should be on the same side of the limit. And stressed the importance of contraceptives. And then proceeded to hand out condoms. I guess we're kinda liberal.

[Darkmatters]

^^ Why is it that so many Northern European countries seem to be the most liberal and most humanistic? (not that anybody actually knows)

[DeletePlease]

^^ Why is it that so many Northern European countries seem to be the most liberal and most humanistic? (not that anybody actually knows) They lucked out. The powers that be (almost?) always end up shaping the socio-political views of of their respective regions, and everything else falls into place from there on out. In Sweden, open-minded realists rose to power and got their message out quicker than the close-minded politicians. America had a stroke of bad luck and the close-minded idealists happened to rise to power, and now it's gfbidsabgdkfbgk.

[snoop]

In my state (Indiana), the age of consent is 16. You have still federally committed statutory rape, but the state won't do shit about it. I'm not exactly sure this is such a liberal view, Indiana is a conservative state... very conservative. Perhaps it's more of a libertarian view, I see it more as a "none of the government's business" thing than a humanistic thing.

[Jesus of Suburbia]

I see it more as a "none of the government's business" thing than a humanistic thing. Bingo.

[DreiHundert]

Let's keep 18+

[Xei]

A better system would probably be an age range for each age. Sex between one person a day under 16 and another a day over being illegal doesn't make any sense. Neither does a law which is tacitly and ubiquitously ignored by the courts when neither party exceeds 16.

[Jesus of Suburbia]

A better system would probably be an age range for each age. Sex between one person a day under 16 and another a day over being illegal doesn't make any sense. Neither does a law which is tacitly and ubiquitously ignored by the courts when neither party exceeds 16. Why? How about anyone can have sex with anyone as long as they're both okay with it?

[Original Poster]

Part of me feels like no matter how old I get, I'll still feel pervy in front of a really hot 16 year old girl

[Xei]

Because there is an issue about the nature of consent. A toddler does not have the ability to make autonomous decisions, but most 18-year-olds do. So presumably there is a point somewhere in between where there is a transition from one state to the other.

[Jesus of Suburbia]

Because there is an issue about the nature of consent. A toddler does not have the ability to make autonomous decisions, but most 18-year-olds do. So presumably there is a point somewhere in between where there is a transition from one state to the other. Because having sex is a huge huge decision, right? Stop making sex out to be Special/Important/Criminal/Unacceptable/Degrading/18+.

[DeletePlease]

Not once did Xei say sex should be limited to people above the age of 18 or that people below that age are somehow magically unable to give consent. All he said was that a range or sliding scale should be used rather than a strict 18+ rule. From le Wiki: "In June 2006, the Canadian government proposed a bill to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16, while creating a close-in-age exemption for sex between 14-15 year olds and partners up to 5 years older, and keeping an existing close-in-age clause for sex between 12-13 year olds and partners up to 2 years older." Imo, that works out out perfectly and it'd be nice to see other countries adopting similar systems. Because having sex is a huge huge decision, right? In our society? Yes. There's a myriad of potential physical and social risks/consequences when it comes to having sex. At times it may not be a big deal between consenting parties but under certain circumstances, it can be a monstrously huge decision to make. Sex is just one big grey area... like the blur of thrashing black and white limbs... *starts searching the web for interracial porn*

[Jesus of Suburbia]

In our society? Yes. There's a myriad of potential physical and social risks/consequences when it comes to having sex; at times it isn't really a big deal between consenting parties but under certain circumstances, it can be a monstrously huge decision to make. Sex is just one big grey area... like the blur of thrashing black and white limbs... Exactly. In our society. That's what this thread's about, how society views sex, and why it's fucking retarded. Physical risks are limited to STDs, which are not only semi-preventable, but also a risk that anyone can recognize and take measures against. It's possible a ten-year-old could fall off his bike, get a scrape, and get infected. Doesn't mean he can't consent to riding the bike. Oh, and also getting pregnant. But, y'know. Birth control, abortion, other stuff that's very debatable and very not the point of this thread. As for the social risks, those only exist as long as we allow them to exist. Whereas a cure for STDs is far far in the future, sex can only ruin your reputation if you let it ruin your reputation. Assuming you were talking about reputation. "Social risks" could mean other things.

[Wayfaerer]

Exactly. In our society. That's what this thread's about, how society views sex Yeah, maybe in like the 50s.

[DeletePlease]

Exactly. In our society. That's what this thread's about, how society views sex, and why it's fucking retarded. That's kind of what I was getting at, it is a big deal. Sex is like the biggest deal since... since the Wu Tang Clan managed to get the group signed to Def Jam and then had solo contracts for each individual member drawn up for competing labels. shit was mad tight yo, na'msayin g, ?? [/word] I agree that we shouldn't think of it as being gross, bad, unacceptable, unacceptable, etc but it's still a big deal because of the social implications* and the simple fact that it's a social thing, it's just like a conversation. It's not bad or good, it's just there and it happens. It's a big deal in small situations, but not so much in the big picture. Does that make sense? * Not sure how to explain what I'm getting at so here's a blurb for you to sort of piece together and decipher: Sex can make or break relationships instantly, that in it self is huge. If a girl has sex with more than one guy, she's made out to be some sort of filthy, amoral whore. If a girl in highschool has sex and people find out about it, there's a good chance she'll end up being marginalized and/or hounded until she moves or graduates. And then there's things like having to deal with someone else's close-minded views on sex. My parents are Indian, about as conservative as you can get, and if they were to find out I had sex with someone (lolnope, virgin) before marriage, that'd be like... Well they'd probably go apeshit if they ever saw me holding hands with a white girl so I have no clue what they'd do when it comes to premarital sex. Maybe disown me. Not that it matters to me, but it definitely would for others. For them, that'd be a huge risk to take. Idk, it's late and I'm tired so I'm having a hard time piecing my thoughts together, but hopefully you got the gist of it.